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Frank Mir: Cocky or Confident?
« on: May 27, 2009, 07:40:08 PM »
Kevin Iole has an article up over at Yahoo! Sports outlining Mir's Q&A session on Friday at the MGM Grand Garden Arena. Mir said this about Fedor Emelianenko:

Mir also suggested that a fighter with good technical boxing skills could beat Emelianenko.

"Fedor has fast hands and is a very aggressive puncher," said Mir, who meets Brock Lesnar for the undisputed UFC heavyweight title at UFC 100 on July 11 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas. "But a lot of times when he swings, he goes slightly off-balance. If you sit there in front of him, [it’s trouble]. Tim Sylvia could answer that question. But if you use proper boxing, like Andrei Arlovski was doing up to the last five seconds of their fight, you see what happens. I think a very technical fighter will bother Fedor a little bit.

"[A guy] using straight punches, [a guy] with good head movement. That’s what you want. That’s a code word for skill. He’s a very powerful, quick athlete, which some people don’t realize when looking at his body. But if you fight him with skill, I think you can do very well. I thought Andrei was winning that fight until – I don’t know what that was that Andrei did."

This is where things begin to get a bit irritating to me. First and foremost, I would hope Frank Mir isn't referring to himself when he's talking about a very technical fighter who has straight punches and good head movement. All of these quotes are in the context that Fedor should enter the Octagon, but it seems to me defeating Nogueira is either going to the mainstream media's head or Mir's head.

Mir defeated Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. There is no doubt about that, and he showed a much improved standup game. We can't take anything away from Mir in that regard. I still beg to ask the question as to whether Nogueira's was even at 50% due to his nagging injuries. That had a lot to do with the fact that Mir crushed him so easily. Furthermore, am I to believe that suddenly Mir is some sort of world class boxer within the framework of the Heavyweight division?

I wouldn't say the quote is inaccurate by any means. Fedor can be hurt by a very technical boxer. The problem that I have here is that there is no mention of the type of ground tactics and takedown defense a fighter would have to have in order to withstand the onslaught of Fedor Emelianenko. There is no doubt that Andrei Arlovski was winning those opening minutes, but Fedor's speed is a huge attribute we can't dismiss. We also can't dismiss the fact that the "Last Emperor" has one of the meanest ground games within the division.

I ask the question. Is Mir being cocky or just plain confident right now? Is he biting off a bit more than he can chew at this point? My gut tells me these extravagant statements are more on the cocky side than exuding confidence. As my friend says when he sees Mir's rating in UFC Undisputed 2009, "Mir's win over Nogueira gave him a 92!?". Has one win over one of the best in the business truly made Mir an unbelievable fighter? I understand the logic in ranking him highly, but this whole perception that Mir is suddenly this unreal force within the UFC's Heavyweight division still needs to be tested.

UPDATE: In retrospect, the community has definitely helped me see some error in the assumption that Mir thinks his own boxing skills are a major threat. I still stand by the fact that I think some of what Mir has said most recently is over the top, but I can get on board with the fact that he's simply trying to provide some hype of his own.


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Re: Frank Mir: Cocky or Confident?
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 02:34:25 AM »
isn't mir a walking injury? Good to hear his fight against the cash cow is still on.


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Re: Frank Mir: Cocky or Confident?
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2009, 07:30:47 AM »
Mir can talk all the crap he wants about Fedor...he knows there is not a chance in hell that Fedor will step up and come to the UFC :)

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Re: Frank Mir: Cocky or Confident?
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 08:46:46 AM »
I actually think Mir would give Fedor the best challenge of all the heavies out there..

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Re: Frank Mir: Cocky or Confident?
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 09:12:50 AM »
I actually think Mir would give Fedor the best challenge of all the heavies out there..

Agreed. It will take a technical fighter to beat Fedor.
Too bad Fedor just wants easy paydays and will not come to the UFC.

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Re: Frank Mir: Cocky or Confident?
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2009, 10:25:46 AM »
Fedor needs to step up or continue to drop in the Pound for Pound Rankings. He's beating up tomato cans and he's only getting older. If I were him, I would join the UFC, take on all comers, then retire the GOAT.

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Re: Frank Mir: Cocky or Confident?
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2009, 02:37:46 PM »
Fedor would smash Mir.  Mir is good, but to put his last 3 wins in perspective, he beat a one dimensional dutch kickboxer who was hand picked to be Mir's make or break fight (Dana had gone on record to say if he lost he was gone), he beat a green one dimensional wrestler who was mashing his face in, and he beat a one legged, staph infected, Noguiera.  Before that, he got his ass handed to him by both Pa De Pano and Brando Vera, and he got dragged into a three round snoozer that could have gone either way with Big Dan.  Don't get me wrong, I hope Mir beats Brock, but I think throwing him up as the best challenger to Fedor is a little exaggerated and premature.  I am anxious to see what kinda shape he's in once he gets into the championship rounds (His cardio ha always been suspect, even before the accident).  Fedor's next opponent is far from being a tomato can and is easily more technical in every aspect of the game than Frank Mir is, plus he's a way more experienced.
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Re: Frank Mir: Cocky or Confident?
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2009, 10:27:23 PM »
Fedor needs to step up or continue to drop in the Pound for Pound Rankings. He's beating up tomato cans and he's only getting older. If I were him, I would join the UFC, take on all comers, then retire the GOAT.

Fedor is already the GOAT. The man put down everybody in his PRIDE days. He has already beaten a lot of the UFC heavyweights back when those guys were in their prime and a couple UFC ex-champs. It can be argued that the Affliction Heavys are close if not as good as the UFC heavys.

Fedor doesn't need to sell his soul to Dana like the rest of them to prove himself to UFC nuthuggers. He already has proven himself over and over again.

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Re: Frank Mir: Cocky or Confident?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2009, 12:57:35 AM »
mir is a very good fighter imo, i dont think hed beat fedor but in mma at that level we all know anything can happen and anyone can get beat on any givin day. as far as barnett being a can i think hes far from a can, to be honest i think barnetts technique is one of the best in the mma heavyweight division. i think mir is just being mir, mir doesnt beat around the bush and sometimes that can come across as boastful and cocky. ive met mir and he was really down to earth with me and all the other people that approached him, fighters have to believe in thier own abilities cause once they start doubting themselves thats big trouble. alot of times youll see a fighter who was dominant for a couple years and maybe had the belt awhile or so come in the cage after having experianced thier first loss by a devistating ko, youll see them gun shy and not look like the dominant fighter they once where. im not saying this is always the case but alot of times it is, we all know they didnt loss thier skill, power or speed ect, but rather thier confidence and belief in themselves is usually the suspect. i think fighters say things for all different reasons, hyping thier fight, trying to phsych out thier opponant, publicity ect, as long as the fighter keeps it somewhat respectful and doesnt bash another fighter its all good imo
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Re: Frank Mir: Cocky or Confident?
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2009, 11:41:39 PM »
To be honest, Mir has said many times that Fedor was the best and to me he just gave an opinion on how to fight him.

I never really took it as him saying he would outbox him at all.

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Re: Frank Mir: Cocky or Confident?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2009, 08:18:20 PM »
mir got the biggest fluke of his life when the heavens opened up and fucked big nogs up.

now he is talking about beating fedor. lol let him first defeat real fighters instead of cans in the ufc