Author Topic: Opinions: how often should one train to failure? (Read 4292 times)

I always train to failure, every set, i have no idea how i would measure what i do without it.

It's obviously hard on the body which is why i need so few sets.

Going beyond failure is very hard on the body and i only use it now and then for a shock.

Euro-monster · « **Reply #37 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:39:38 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 30, 2009, 03:32:59 AM

Bent je tegen de god van oorlog?

When your god licks my balls every night i think its save to say...yes!

Deicide · « **Reply #38 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:41:41 AM »

Quote from: Euro-monster on May 30, 2009, 03:39:38 AM

When your god licks my balls every night i think its save to say...yes!

Niemand verzet zich tegen de god van oorlog!

ironneck · « **Reply #39 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:42:54 AM »

when i was 17 i really worked out like dorian yates

it was fucking hard but i think it helped to me develop a good physique
now i train nearly till full failure

there are some exercises like benchpressing which i do till failure and some others leg legpressing which i do pretty intense but not till failure

Deicide · « **Reply #40 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:44:07 AM »

Quote from: ironneck on May 30, 2009, 03:42:54 AM

when i was 17 i really worked out like dorian yates

it was fucking hard but i think it helped to me develop a good physique
now i train nearly till full failure

there are some exercises like benchpressing which i do till failure and some others leg legpressing which i do pretty intense but not till failure

Obviously it depends on the routine you have but some here like the mighty Ursus almost never train to failture citing the stress it puts on the CN as the reason.

ironneck · « **Reply #41 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:45:25 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on May 30, 2009, 03:44:07 AM

Obviously it depends on the routine you have but some here like the mighty Ursus almost never train to failture citing the stress it puts on the CN as the reason.

i don't know but some exercises feel great when done till failure...if i stop before i have a bad feeling

Deicide · « **Reply #42 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:46:52 AM »

Quote from: ironneck on May 30, 2009, 03:45:25 AM

i don't know but some exercises feel great when done till failure...if i stop before i have a bad feeling

Right now I am doing ganz koerpertraining 3x a week so I don't go to absolute failure...speaking of which I am off to the gym...

MAXX · « **Reply #43 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:47:22 AM »

I don't get what's the point of going to the gym and half ass it? If you know you got one or two more reps in you why not do them?

ironneck · « **Reply #44 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:48:54 AM »

Quote from: MAXX on May 30, 2009, 03:47:22 AM

I don't get what's the point of going to the gym and half ass it? If you know you got one or two more reps in you why not do them?

exactly

i mean i don't do any forced shit like tom platz but i do my exercises very intense so i have a good feeling afterwards

i mean you,the pump is better than havin sex

Tapeworm · « **Reply #45 on:** May 30, 2009, 03:50:15 AM »

I only train bis and tris to failure. Compound movements fry me for too long.

Depends how you mean failure tho. On pressing movements where you stick, and I usually stop a rep short of this. On chins and rows tho there's just an ever decreasing ROM for me, but I don't declare failure as soon as I can't do a perfect rep.

I never squat or dl within even 3 or 4 reps of failure. The only time I squatted to failure I was wrecked - falling asleep everywhere, couldn't get up in the morning, and no libido for a week. Never again.

io856 · « **Reply #46 on:** May 30, 2009, 04:45:44 AM »

Quote from: Tapeworm on May 30, 2009, 03:50:15 AM

I only train bis and tris to failure. Compound movements fry me for too long.

Depends how you mean failure tho. On pressing movements where you stick, and I usually stop a rep short of this. On chins and rows tho there's just an ever decreasing ROM for me, but I don't declare failure as soon as I can't do a perfect rep.

I never squat or dl within even 3 or 4 reps of failure. The only time I squatted to failure I was wrecked - falling asleep everywhere, couldn't get up in the morning, and no libido for a week. Never again.

Tapeworm · « **Reply #47 on:** May 30, 2009, 04:52:28 AM »

Quote from: io856 on May 30, 2009, 04:45:44 AM

You squat to failure? Moderate weight, 10+ reps, to true failure?

I try to out do the previous workout, either more weight or more reps. Gimmie that progress and I'm happy.

Btw, my recovery ability is especially shitty. Most guys probably wouldn't get hit so hard.

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #48 on:** May 30, 2009, 05:44:22 AM »

Quote from: kiwiol on May 30, 2009, 02:24:46 AM

I always go to failure - on every set of every exercise of every workout. Just take enough time off between sets so you can do the next one with the maximum weight you can do. I sometimes take up to 8 or 10 minutes off between max sets of deadlifts.

Good point. Go to failure every set the key is to rest enough days in between to recover.

drkaje · « **Reply #49 on:** May 30, 2009, 06:07:19 AM »

Depends on genetics.

If you train a body part to failure and are stronger the next time, I'd say it worked. Otherwise, you just walked away with a pump and lots of lactic acid. Tons of people either overtrain or use way more weight than they can safely control. Is there really any chance doing partial squats with 585 on a Smith machine will grow muscle?

I'd say having a plan (diet and exercise) and changing workouts occasionally are the way to go.

After genetics, I'd argue most of how people look has to do with their diet and habits (alcohol, rest, hydration, drugs, etc...) between workouts.