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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2009, 01:19:25 PM »
I blame groups like Operation Rescue who use inflamatory language to rile up their unstable members (the majority I would guess)

These nutbags commits crimes and the Operation Rescue pretends like they have no blame

I see politicians got you right where they want you.   :)

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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2009, 01:55:41 PM »
I see politicians got you right where they want you.   :)

if you mean thinking on my own and drawing my own conclusions I guess you're right.

this just happened yesterday and I haven't heard a politician say one thing about Operation Rescue so I don't know what dots you think you're connecting

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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2009, 02:51:54 PM »
Im not pro life!!!Im pro innocent life!!!The scum bag on death row is there for a reason!!The scum bags who flew planes in our buildings are worthy of death!!A baby has done nothing!!Tiller killed babies.He paid for his "sins" with his life.

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« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2009, 03:11:14 PM »
if you mean thinking on my own and drawing my own conclusions I guess you're right.

this just happened yesterday and I haven't heard a politician say one thing about Operation Rescue so I don't know what dots you think you're connecting

Yeah sure, politicians have made abortion a political issue for their own gain just yesterday.

And blaming everything on religion and on the "right wingers" is hardly thinking on your own.

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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2009, 03:30:25 PM »
Yeah sure, politicians have made abortion a political issue for their own gain just yesterday.

The anti-abortion crowd are the ones that made abortion a political issue.  Most politicians in both parties would prefer to never discuss it at all.

And blaming everything on religion and on the "right wingers" is hardly thinking on your own.

everything?

wtf are you talking about?

what politician do you think is blaming everything on religion and right wingers (you know the one you think I'm adopting all my own thoughts from?)



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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2009, 05:05:54 PM »
Yes your right.Obviously groups like code pink,anti-war groups,radical homosexuals,followers of Sharpton,and the like NEVER EVER use radical language or actions.Yes sir,they are the salt of the earth,good hearted people unlike those radical pro-life groups.What a joke.

Yep.  So how many doctors did Code Pink gun down yesterday?

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« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2009, 05:15:05 PM »
Im not pro life!!!Im pro innocent life!!!The scum bag on death row is there for a reason!!The scum bags who flew planes in our buildings are worthy of death!!A baby has done nothing!!Tiller killed babies.He paid for his "sins" with his life.

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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2009, 07:49:06 AM »
Yep.  So how many doctors did Code Pink gun down yesterday?

Well we know ONE Army recruiter got shot down.Obviously groups like Code Pink ,which pushes anti-war is a big reason for this.

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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2009, 07:52:23 AM »
Well we know ONE Army recruiter got shot down.Obviously groups like Code Pink ,which pushes anti-war is a big reason for this.

Why do you feel compelled to write every stupid thought that bubbles into your head.

Please show me the connection btw Code Pink and Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad

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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2009, 08:04:53 AM »
Im not pro life!!!Im pro innocent life!!!The scum bag on death row is there for a reason!!
What do you think about the recent uproar about innocent people getting sentenced to death?
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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2009, 08:37:14 AM »
Why do you feel compelled to write every stupid thought that bubbles into your head.

Please show me the connection btw Code Pink and Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad

Again,you miss the point.240 said the guy who killed Tiller was probably watching FOX news that morning.I heard crickets from you.So,to show that stupidity,I posted stupidity.Again,you only comment on those to the right of you.

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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2009, 08:40:31 AM »
Again,you miss the point.240 said the guy who killed Tiller was probably watching FOX news that morning.I heard crickets from you.So,to show that stupidity,I posted stupidity.Again,you only comment on those to the right of you.

ok - so your posts are meant to be some sort of ironic performance art and you're just playing the role of a bat shit crazy, possibly dangerous anti-abortion activist?

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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2009, 08:50:15 AM »
ok - so your posts are meant to be some sort of ironic performance art and you're just playing the role of a bat shit crazy, possibly dangerous anti-abortion activist?

No,I believe that the death of Tiler was justified and a great thing.Like I said,there are three known partial birth abortion doctors in the country,one down,two to go.

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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2009, 08:57:25 AM »
No,I believe that the death of Tiler was justified and a great thing.Like I said,there are three known partial birth abortion doctors in the country,one down,two to go.

ok killer - maybe we'll be seeing on the news soon.

I mean if you really think Tillers murder was a good thing and you're not just all talk then you'll probably be murdering someone soon too

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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2009, 09:00:10 AM »
Again,you miss the point.240 said the guy who killed Tiller was probably watching FOX news that morning.I heard crickets from you.So,to show that stupidity,I posted stupidity.Again,you only comment on those to the right of you.

the shooter was a member of far-right hate groups and was arrested in 96 with bomb making materials in his car.

Camp lib sure ain't claiming him.

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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2009, 10:13:51 AM »
Yep.  So how many doctors did Code Pink gun down yesterday?
::) ::) ::)
No, they just blog stuff like the following after they didn't get their way last Nov. in California:

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      "Can someone in CA please go burn down the Mormon temples there, PLEASE. I mean seriously. DO IT."
    *
      "I'm going to give them something to be f--ing scared of....I'm a radical who is now on a mission to make them all pay for what they've done."
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      "Burn their f--ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers."
    *
      "I hope the No on 8 people have a long list and long knives."
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      "I swear, I'd murder people with my bare hands this morning."
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      "Trust me. I've got a big list of names of mormons and catholics [sic] that were big supporters of Prop 8....As far as mormons and catholics...I warn them to watch their backs."

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« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2009, 10:20:26 AM »
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No, they just blog stuff like the following after they didn't get their way last Nov. in California:

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      "Can someone in CA please go burn down the Mormon temples there, PLEASE. I mean seriously. DO IT."
    *
      "I'm going to give them something to be f--ing scared of....I'm a radical who is now on a mission to make them all pay for what they've done."
    *
      "Burn their f--ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers."
    *
      "I hope the No on 8 people have a long list and long knives."
    *
      "I swear, I'd murder people with my bare hands this morning."
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      "Trust me. I've got a big list of names of mormons and catholics [sic] that were big supporters of Prop 8....As far as mormons and catholics...I warn them to watch their backs."

240 and Straw see NOTHING wrong with that.Its only if conservatives or pro life groups say stuff like that that its bad.

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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #42 on: June 02, 2009, 10:22:54 AM »
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No, they just blog stuff like the following after they didn't get their way last Nov. in California:

    *
      "Can someone in CA please go burn down the Mormon temples there, PLEASE. I mean seriously. DO IT."
    *
      "I'm going to give them something to be f--ing scared of....I'm a radical who is now on a mission to make them all pay for what they've done."
    *
      "Burn their f--ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers."
    *
      "I hope the No on 8 people have a long list and long knives."
    *
      "I swear, I'd murder people with my bare hands this morning."
    *
      "Trust me. I've got a big list of names of mormons and catholics [sic] that were big supporters of Prop 8....As far as mormons and catholics...I warn them to watch their backs."

links??

Are those comments by Code Pink (don't know much about them) or comments posted on a blog in response to a story.   If the latter then I'd put them in the same category of comments on Daily Kos, O'Reilly, Limbaughs blogs i.e. unless they come directly from the person or group then I would not assign random anonymous comments to the person or group.  

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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2009, 10:32:51 AM »
Did Bill O’Reilly Kill Dr. George Tiller?
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June 2, 2009 @ 12:15 am
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Notorious late-term abortion practitioner Dr. George Tiller was gunned down on his way to church on Sunday. Motives and details are still being sorted out, but his murder prompted insanity all around — the [1] best demonstration of which was forwarded by [2] Salon writer Gabriel Winnant:

    But there’s no other person who bears as much responsibility for the characterization of Tiller as a savage on the loose, killing babies willy-nilly thanks to the collusion of would-be sophisticated cultural elites, a bought-and-paid-for governor and scofflaw secular journalists.


Winnant was referring to Bill O’Reilly.

Winnant is implying that O’Reilly incited the murder of Dr. Tiller because he reported heavily on him and used catchy headlines like “[3] Tiller the Baby Killer“:

    The Factor has learned that Tiller was aborting babies of girls aged 10-15, including victims of forcible rape, “and those abortions were not reported to authorities as required by law,” Bill said, “so the criminals who impregnated the girls have so far gotten away with it.”

    The guest on the Factor the night of November 3 was the aforementioned Kansas Attorney General Kline.
“[In] every single instance, there was not a late-term abortion performed on a viable child to save the life of the mother,” Kline asserted, “and in every single instance, there was not an abortion performed for a physical reason.” So according to the records, Tiller was using “depression” (and that, Bill concluded, “could be anything”) as an excuse to terminate these pregnancies.

    “When you have a 10- or 11-year-old child who is pregnant, and gets an abortion, and no one calls the police, it’s likely a family member that is abusing that child,” said Kline. In Kansas, sexual intercourse with a child under 14 is defined as “rape” because the child is below the age of consent, which means any pregnant girl under 14 getting an abortion at Tiller’s clinic is the victim of a crime and Tiller is required to inform authorities. AG Kline indicated Tiller is not reporting the rapes, a felony under Kansas law.


This reporting from O’Reilly posted two years ago. Does Winnant really believe that such a dated article served as the catalyst for Sunday’s murder? Or is he just exploiting a convenient story to paint his ideological enemies as psychopaths?

Either way, it’s massive hypocrisy and lazy, subjective reasoning. Leftists like Winnant love their free speech, unless it’s speech they prefer not to hear. A few years ago, [4] Tipper Gore went on a similar anti-free speech rampage (and this year, ironically, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, so powerful is her husband’s save-the-world reach):

    In response to many of the rock videos Gore had watched as part of her research with the P.M.R.C., she had once publicly cried, “The images frightened my children! They frightened me! I am frightened! Way frightened! The graphic sex and the violence were too much for us to handle.”

    Eventually, a Senate-hearing on the “dangers” of rock music was held and artists including Frank Zappa, Twisted Sister’s Dee Snider and legendary folk artist John Denver came to the defense of the First Amendment rights of the artists in question. It was later decided that each record company would “voluntarily” label albums if they felt they might cause a disturbance in certain communities. Still, once the smoke had cleared, Tipper Gore had become a full-blown enemy of the rock world.

    Ironically, years later, after her husband and Bill Clinton had won the 1992 presidential election, the Gores made an appearance on MTV, the very channel they had once accused of perpetrating “pornography,” thanking all the young people that had supported them in their campaign. Those that remembered the Tipper Gore of the 1980s were shocked and somewhat perplexed by the appearance.

When the controversial messages come from the worlds of art or music, we get liberal outrage when someone suggests they’ve gone too far. Tipper Gore challenges free speech in pop culture and becomes the enemy. When the controversial words come from a conservative like O’Reilly? Forget free speech. He, of course, must be silenced.

On Sunday, George Tiller is murdered and Bill O’Reilly is to blame.  Then, on Monday, two Army recruiters are shot — one murdered — and the response from the left is close to silence. Winnant cries against tough words and blames someone for inciting violence in the case of the abortion doctor’s death. Would he have been outraged had we found that the Army recruiters’ shooting was a politically motivated assassination? If a left-wing nut had been responding to the Tiller murder, would Winnant blame himself for the murderous incitement? Certainly Winnant could be amenable to the idea that the reporting and rhetoric surrounding the Tiller murder has been high-pitched and could incite a person to murder innocent soldiers, couldn’t he?

Winnant may also wish to apply his brand of logic to a piece in Monday’s Playboy, titled “[5] conservative women we’d like to “hate-f***“:

    The hatred is certainly apparent on all ten of the entries on this list. The boss hits #1 on this list, Amanda Carpenter’s on it too, but perhaps the entry on Mary Katharine Ham demonstrates their misogynism best:

        The Hate F**k Rating: You get this one pregnant, she stays pregnant. Karma’s a bitch, isn’t it?

    Let’s be clear about terms here. A “hate f**k” sounds like something perhaps just short of rape, but degrading enough to entertain the perverted twerps at Playboy. The fact that the magazine published this piece of effluvium should be enough to show that everyone in the editorial process, from the writer to Hef himself, don’t want women empowered. They want silent sex objects, and when confronted with women whose opinions differ from theirs, want them humiliated.

Vile and disgusting, right? [6] Even some few on the left agree. Should one of these women be attacked, would Winnant join in the outrage, holding the Playboy writer and the magazine itself liable for the assault?

Not likely.

Gabriel Winnant wants certain people, people he disagrees with, to shut up. He wants his speech to be free but he doesn’t want Bill O’Reilly’s speech to be free. Ditto Tipper Gore. Ditto the Playboy writer who doesn’t deserve to be named. The rule is this: if you hold a view outside of liberal orthodoxy, you should say nothing … or else. In the case of the young, beautiful, conservative women listed in Playboy, speaking out risks being the subject of rape fantasies and being objectified and dehumanized.

This is America. While I find Winnant wrong and Tipper Gore wrong and the Playboy writer wrong, they’re free to give their opinion. Americans are free to speak stupidly, and the risk to a free society by constraining that speech outweighs the risks of having the speech expressed. So let the haters hate, expose it, and rebut. I say this being a woman who has received a death wish fantasy, more than once, on my blog.

I say this as a friend concerned about the safety of fellow bloggers who have been threatened. I have to choose sides, and I choose free speech.

Winnant? He certainly does not.

URLs in this post:
[1] best demonstration of which: http://spectator.org/blog/2009/06/01/did-bill-oreilly-kill-dr-georg
[2] Salon writer Gabriel Winnant: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller/
[3] Tiller the Baby Killer: http://www.billoreilly.com/blog?action=viewBlog&blogID=-115522592623938900
[4] Tipper Gore went on a similar anti-free speech rampage: http://hilariousduck.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/tipper-gore-to-be-inducted-into-rock-n-roll-hall-of-fa
me/

[5] conservative women we’d like to “hate-f***: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/01/its-official-playboy-is-a-hate-site/
[6] Even some few on the left agree: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/06/01/playboy-magazine-officially-hates-women-conservative-or-othe
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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2009, 02:18:46 PM »
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No, they just blog stuff like the following after they didn't get their way last Nov. in California:

    *
      "Can someone in CA please go burn down the Mormon temples there, PLEASE. I mean seriously. DO IT."
    *
      "I'm going to give them something to be f--ing scared of....I'm a radical who is now on a mission to make them all pay for what they've done."
    *
      "Burn their f--ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers."
    *
      "I hope the No on 8 people have a long list and long knives."
    *
      "I swear, I'd murder people with my bare hands this morning."
    *
      "Trust me. I've got a big list of names of mormons and catholics [sic] that were big supporters of Prop 8....As far as mormons and catholics...I warn them to watch their backs."

Pure hate speech.  Typical liberal response to those who disagree with them on certain issues.  Hypocrites. 

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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2009, 02:24:09 PM »
Did Bill O’Reilly Kill Dr. George Tiller?
Posted By Melissa Clouthier
June 2, 2009 @ 12:15 am
pajamasmedia.com

Notorious late-term abortion practitioner Dr. George Tiller was gunned down on his way to church on Sunday. Motives and details are still being sorted out, but his murder prompted insanity all around — the [1] best demonstration of which was forwarded by [2] Salon writer Gabriel Winnant:

    But there’s no other person who bears as much responsibility for the characterization of Tiller as a savage on the loose, killing babies willy-nilly thanks to the collusion of would-be sophisticated cultural elites, a bought-and-paid-for governor and scofflaw secular journalists.


Winnant was referring to Bill O’Reilly.

Winnant is implying that O’Reilly incited the murder of Dr. Tiller because he reported heavily on him and used catchy headlines like “[3] Tiller the Baby Killer“:

    The Factor has learned that Tiller was aborting babies of girls aged 10-15, including victims of forcible rape, “and those abortions were not reported to authorities as required by law,” Bill said, “so the criminals who impregnated the girls have so far gotten away with it.”

    The guest on the Factor the night of November 3 was the aforementioned Kansas Attorney General Kline.
“[In] every single instance, there was not a late-term abortion performed on a viable child to save the life of the mother,” Kline asserted, “and in every single instance, there was not an abortion performed for a physical reason.” So according to the records, Tiller was using “depression” (and that, Bill concluded, “could be anything”) as an excuse to terminate these pregnancies.

    “When you have a 10- or 11-year-old child who is pregnant, and gets an abortion, and no one calls the police, it’s likely a family member that is abusing that child,” said Kline. In Kansas, sexual intercourse with a child under 14 is defined as “rape” because the child is below the age of consent, which means any pregnant girl under 14 getting an abortion at Tiller’s clinic is the victim of a crime and Tiller is required to inform authorities. AG Kline indicated Tiller is not reporting the rapes, a felony under Kansas law.


This reporting from O’Reilly posted two years ago. Does Winnant really believe that such a dated article served as the catalyst for Sunday’s murder? Or is he just exploiting a convenient story to paint his ideological enemies as psychopaths?

Either way, it’s massive hypocrisy and lazy, subjective reasoning. Leftists like Winnant love their free speech, unless it’s speech they prefer not to hear. A few years ago, [4] Tipper Gore went on a similar anti-free speech rampage (and this year, ironically, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, so powerful is her husband’s save-the-world reach):

    In response to many of the rock videos Gore had watched as part of her research with the P.M.R.C., she had once publicly cried, “The images frightened my children! They frightened me! I am frightened! Way frightened! The graphic sex and the violence were too much for us to handle.”

    Eventually, a Senate-hearing on the “dangers” of rock music was held and artists including Frank Zappa, Twisted Sister’s Dee Snider and legendary folk artist John Denver came to the defense of the First Amendment rights of the artists in question. It was later decided that each record company would “voluntarily” label albums if they felt they might cause a disturbance in certain communities. Still, once the smoke had cleared, Tipper Gore had become a full-blown enemy of the rock world.

    Ironically, years later, after her husband and Bill Clinton had won the 1992 presidential election, the Gores made an appearance on MTV, the very channel they had once accused of perpetrating “pornography,” thanking all the young people that had supported them in their campaign. Those that remembered the Tipper Gore of the 1980s were shocked and somewhat perplexed by the appearance.

When the controversial messages come from the worlds of art or music, we get liberal outrage when someone suggests they’ve gone too far. Tipper Gore challenges free speech in pop culture and becomes the enemy. When the controversial words come from a conservative like O’Reilly? Forget free speech. He, of course, must be silenced.

On Sunday, George Tiller is murdered and Bill O’Reilly is to blame.  Then, on Monday, two Army recruiters are shot — one murdered — and the response from the left is close to silence. Winnant cries against tough words and blames someone for inciting violence in the case of the abortion doctor’s death. Would he have been outraged had we found that the Army recruiters’ shooting was a politically motivated assassination? If a left-wing nut had been responding to the Tiller murder, would Winnant blame himself for the murderous incitement? Certainly Winnant could be amenable to the idea that the reporting and rhetoric surrounding the Tiller murder has been high-pitched and could incite a person to murder innocent soldiers, couldn’t he?

Winnant may also wish to apply his brand of logic to a piece in Monday’s Playboy, titled “[5] conservative women we’d like to “hate-f***“:

    The hatred is certainly apparent on all ten of the entries on this list. The boss hits #1 on this list, Amanda Carpenter’s on it too, but perhaps the entry on Mary Katharine Ham demonstrates their misogynism best:

        The Hate F**k Rating: You get this one pregnant, she stays pregnant. Karma’s a bitch, isn’t it?

    Let’s be clear about terms here. A “hate f**k” sounds like something perhaps just short of rape, but degrading enough to entertain the perverted twerps at Playboy. The fact that the magazine published this piece of effluvium should be enough to show that everyone in the editorial process, from the writer to Hef himself, don’t want women empowered. They want silent sex objects, and when confronted with women whose opinions differ from theirs, want them humiliated.

Vile and disgusting, right? [6] Even some few on the left agree. Should one of these women be attacked, would Winnant join in the outrage, holding the Playboy writer and the magazine itself liable for the assault?

Not likely.

Gabriel Winnant wants certain people, people he disagrees with, to shut up. He wants his speech to be free but he doesn’t want Bill O’Reilly’s speech to be free. Ditto Tipper Gore. Ditto the Playboy writer who doesn’t deserve to be named. The rule is this: if you hold a view outside of liberal orthodoxy, you should say nothing … or else. In the case of the young, beautiful, conservative women listed in Playboy, speaking out risks being the subject of rape fantasies and being objectified and dehumanized.

This is America. While I find Winnant wrong and Tipper Gore wrong and the Playboy writer wrong, they’re free to give their opinion. Americans are free to speak stupidly, and the risk to a free society by constraining that speech outweighs the risks of having the speech expressed. So let the haters hate, expose it, and rebut. I say this being a woman who has received a death wish fantasy, more than once, on my blog.

I say this as a friend concerned about the safety of fellow bloggers who have been threatened. I have to choose sides, and I choose free speech.

Winnant? He certainly does not.

URLs in this post:
[1] best demonstration of which: http://spectator.org/blog/2009/06/01/did-bill-oreilly-kill-dr-georg
[2] Salon writer Gabriel Winnant: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller/
[3] Tiller the Baby Killer: http://www.billoreilly.com/blog?action=viewBlog&blogID=-115522592623938900
[4] Tipper Gore went on a similar anti-free speech rampage: http://hilariousduck.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/tipper-gore-to-be-inducted-into-rock-n-roll-hall-of-fa
me/

[5] conservative women we’d like to “hate-f***: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/01/its-official-playboy-is-a-hate-site/
[6] Even some few on the left agree: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/06/01/playboy-magazine-officially-hates-women-conservative-or-othe
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Good article.  Blaming O'Reilly for this murder is just asinine. 

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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2009, 05:34:34 AM »
Who killed George Tiller?

I say politicians, who make things like abortion a political issue, blowing it out of proportion, dividing the country for their own political gain. 

People who feel strongly about these issues then get all worked up about them by the politicians and by the media.  It happens in other countries too with many other issues.  I blame politicians.


You are fvcking certifiable in your delusion & denial.
It's the goddamn evangelicals who make it a political issue. Get real!!!

I will welcome the day that religion is forced underground!
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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #47 on: June 04, 2009, 05:48:35 AM »
You are fvcking certifiable in your delusion & denial.
It's the goddamn evangelicals who make it a political issue. Get real!!!

I will welcome the day that religion is forced underground!

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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #48 on: June 04, 2009, 05:49:31 AM »
Who killed George Tiller?
George Tiller's murder is a horrific consequence of the harassment and intimidation of abortion providers

Anti-choicers harassed his patients, day in and day out. They bombed his clinic. They shot him once before. They filed lawsuit after lawsuit and even convinced local prosecutors to launch criminal investigations and trials (none were successful). They published his home address and the full names of his family members on their websites. They posted information about anyone who did business with him, from where he got his coffee to where he did his dry cleaning.

They had him and his staff wearing bullet-proof vests to work every day. Tiller drove an armoured car and protected his home with a state-of-the-art security system. And, to better enable stalking and harassment, they posted his daily comings and goings – including the fact that he attended services every Sunday at Reformation Lutheran Church, the place where he was ultimately shot and killed.

All because he was a licensed physician who performed legal medical procedures.

Is there any way to charge these groups with harassment, infringement of privacy, domestic terrorism or something?

This type of thing should not be allowed to happen.


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It is part of a clearly-established pattern of harassment, intimidation and violence against abortion providers and pro-choice individuals. And mainstream pro-life groups shoulder much of the blame.

This is just pure domestic terrorism hiding behind the 1st Amendment.

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Pro-life organisations routinely refer to abortion as "murder", a "genocide" and a "holocaust". They post the full names abortion providers on their websites, along with their addresses, their license plate numbers, their photos, the names of children and the schools those children attend (sometimes with helpful Wild-West-style "Wanted" posters offering $5,000 rewards).

When you convince your followers that abortion providers are the equivalent of SS officers slaughtering innocents by the millions, tell them that "it's all-out WAR" against pro-choicers and then provide the home addresses and personal information of the "monster" "late-term baby-killer" abortion providers you're supposedly at war against, you can't act surprised when those followers conclude that it's morally justified to use the information to kill doctors.

These are not fringe groups. Conservative television personality Bill O'Reilly called Tiller's clinic a "death mill", referred to Tiller as a "baby killer" who was "executing babies about to be born" and said Tiller was doing "Nazi stuff" for which he "had blood on his hands".

Frank Pavone, a Roman Catholic priest, member of James Dobson's Focus on the Family and director of Priests for Life, posted a YouTube video on Sunday to say that he "abhors" the violence committed against Tiller but "we just don't know and we shouldn't jump to conclusions" in assuming that an anti-choice terrorist may have murdered Tiller – although, he concedes, someone may have assassinated him "in order to stop Tiller from killing more babies". He continued: "When we talk about abortion, we are taking about killing. There's no two ways about it. ... This is a massive holocaust, it is killing."

Pavone is chummy with Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry, who had this to say about Tiller's assassination:

George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God.
I am more concerned that the Obama administration will use Tiller's killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions. Abortion is still murder. And we still must call abortion by its proper name: murder.

Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the law of God. We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches.

That's some definition of "peacefully protesting".

The prime suspect in Tiller's murder appears to have frequented the Operation Rescue website (which had it's own "Tiller Watch" section), and took part in some of those "peaceful protests" that anti-choicers hold so dear. Far from a random extremist, he appears to have been fairly entrenched in the anti-choice movement.

And if he is the person who murdered Tiller, he isn't alone among pro-lifers who embrace Terry's directive that "If you think abortion is murder, act like it." (After all, Terry has posited, "Wouldn't it have been OK to kill Hitler if you knew you could save millions of Jews?").

Self-identified pro-lifers have celebrated Tiller's murder, leaving hundreds of comments on rightwing blogs (and a good number at progressive and pro-choice blogs, just for good measure). Conservative writer LaShawn Barber gloated at the "irony" of "Tiller the child killer, cultivator of death" being murdered at church. A quick perusal of the front page of ProLifeBlogs.com includes such headlines as "George Tiller has killed his last baby," "Baby killer Tiller shot, killed at church," "Tiller the Killer killed," "Today Tiller the Killer, now a martyr for Molech, met God" and "Tiller shot to death!"

These are not "bad apples". They are symptomatic of (and sometimes the spokespeople for) a larger a movement that is disturbed and dangerous.

While individuals who self-identify as pro-life may be well-meaning and against violence, mainstream pro-life groups and the people who run them do not care about life, before or after birth. And while today anti-choice groups are half-heartedly condemning Tiller's murder, they continue to use the same outlandish and inflammatory rhetoric that inspired and enabled it.

Words mean things. Anti-choicers should certainly have every right to express their views, but they must also realise that actions have consequences and their rhetoric is not harmless. If you yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, it's reasonably foreseeable that people will panic and someone will be injured. And if you yell "Murderer!" "Baby-Killer!" and "Holocaust!" long enough, it's reasonably foreseeable that someone will take it upon themselves to make sure that vigilante justice is done (especially if you provide the name and address of the person who you claim is committing "genocide").

This was not the act of a lone extremist. It is one more act of violence to add to a long, long list of crimes committed by anti-choice terrorists, and it is the logical outcome of years of increasingly violent, dehumanising and threatening rhetoric and action on the part of supposedly mainstream pro-life groups. The responsibility for George Tiller's death surely falls on the shoulders of the person who actually pulled the trigger. But when pro-life groups did everything but give him a gun, their hands are hardly clean.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/jun/01/george-tiller-abortion-doctor-murder

There need to be some serious charges laid. To simply dismiss it as the work of a lone nutjob is a complete copout.
Feet need to be held to the fire on this, ...because it has gone on for far too long. Legal action needs to occur,
...and O'Reilly & FoxNews need to be accountable for the rhetoric they spew over the airwaves.
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Re: Who killed George Tiller?
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2009, 05:50:57 AM »
Still melting down?   ;D

You're such a hater!   :-*

I FVCKING HATE DELUSIONAL EVANGELICALS  >:(
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