RFID

[Hugo Chavez]

I don't doubt it's in the realm of possibility; but honestly can't see it happening any time soon.

I don't think it ever happens soon.  New tech comes along and a few see the possibilities and express worry and are always denounced because the vision of such seems absurd.  The ideal would be to stop the direction so that it doesn't have a chance to happen, but that never happens.  People always judge based on the time they're living in.  Well when the time comes rolling around 20+ years later to what they wouldn't have gone for in the past, it's to late, a new crop, larger, younger population has come up with a new social set.  To me, it makes sense to set legal framework now for what things like this can and can't be used for.  If it's absurd and wasn't going to happen, then there is no harm no foul, nothing changed.  The only possible outcome by acting now is positive.  Saying it won't happen anytime soon and leaving it at that has always been the enabling mindset which has allowed over the line shit to come about.

[Nordic Superman]

To me, it makes sense to set legal framework now for what things like this can and can't be used for.  If it's absurd and wasn't going to happen, then there is no harm no foul, nothing changed.  The only possible outcome by acting now is positive.

Absolutely, no loss to the government, just a more comfortable populace... unless of course they have other motives...

[Hugo Chavez]

Absolutely, no loss to the government, just a more comfortable populace... unless of course they have other motives...

exactly and if you started to say, get stuff on the ballot with this kind of wording, I have a sneaking suspicion that it would be opposed. Most likely by those corporations who own the technology.

[Nordic Superman]

exactly and if you started to say, get stuff on the ballot with this kind of wording, I have a sneaking suspicion that it would be opposed. Most likely by those corporations who own the technology.

Plus I think the governments have done a good job of making a substantial % of people have a mind set that would label you crazy for suggesting such things.

[Butterbean]

Anything more known about this (the Government attempting to have control of all water)?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=279611.0

[Hugo Chavez]

Anything more known about this?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=279611.0

looks like they lost 1 co-sponsor from the stated number in that thread, other than that no changes
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s787/show

[Butterbean]

people can barter if it gets that bad,

That might last for awhile. 

looks like they lost 1 co-sponsor from the stated number in that thread, other than that no changes
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s787/show

Thanks Hugo, good link.

[Butterbean]

Cash to Become Extinct as Chips Take Off
related: Supermarkets to Refuse Cash
ATMs to Move Beyond Just Cash

June 15, 2009
By Anthony Keane
The Advertiser, News Limited, Australia

CASH is accelerating down the path to extinction as new technologies threaten to mark the end of loose change within a decade.

Photo: Extinct? ... bank bosses have predicted the decline of cash as transactions are done through microchips.

Bank and credit union bosses say cash won't be alone, with wallets and credit cards also likely to disappear too.

They told The Advertiser's round table forum that cash and cards will be replaced by computer chips embedded in mobile phones, watches or other portable devices.

Australian Central chief executive Peter Evers believes cash will be replaced for most transactions in five-to-seven years.

"Cash will disappear as there will be other forms of carrying cash, stored value in your phone or whatever it might be. It will transfer automatically," he said.

"We're very close in countries around the world. If you go in to Hong Kong or Singapore, the low-value transactions have already disappeared. You can't go anywhere, like on public transport, without pre-purchasing a card.

"I think the Australian Payment Systems Board is very much on top of it and is trying to move down a path, but hasn't publicly put things into place yet."

BankSA general manager strategy and operations Chris Ward expects Australia to follow the offshore lead, with small cash transactions disappearing first.

"So you can't go and buy a bottle of water from the deli with cash; you've got to go and buy it with your chip," he said.

Bendigo and Adelaide Bank state manager SA/NT John Oliver said it was easier for retailers to use electronic transactions than manual cash transactions.

Savings & Loans chief executive Greg Connor said the concept of the wallet would go.

"Whereas now we have a wallet and purse, it will be a chip in your phone or your watch or something like that as your access," he said.

Mr Evers said credit cards were on the way out as well.

"The access to credit is still going to be there through the mobile phone, but you don't need the card because that's really only a means of identification," he said.

"There could be another way of identifying, but the product, revolving credit, will still sit there."

http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25637102-5014239,00.html

[loco]

"Woe to you, Oh Earth and Sea, for the Devil sends the
beast with wrath, because he knows the time is short...
Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the
beast for it is a human number, its number is Six hundred and
sixty six."

[Bindare_Dundat]

You think the general populace of any country would actually accept being "chipped"? Seriously... the most apathetic countries on Earth wouldn't even fly with this shit.

Yes.

[loco]

You think the general populace of any country would actually accept being "chipped"? Seriously... the most apathetic countries on Earth wouldn't even fly with this shit.

Through fear tactics, governments can get the general populace to beg them for the chip, believing it's for their own safety and well being.

[Dos Equis]

Cash to Become Extinct as Chips Take Off
related: Supermarkets to Refuse Cash
ATMs to Move Beyond Just Cash

June 15, 2009
By Anthony Keane
The Advertiser, News Limited, Australia

CASH is accelerating down the path to extinction as new technologies threaten to mark the end of loose change within a decade.

Photo: Extinct? ... bank bosses have predicted the decline of cash as transactions are done through microchips.

Bank and credit union bosses say cash won't be alone, with wallets and credit cards also likely to disappear too.

They told The Advertiser's round table forum that cash and cards will be replaced by computer chips embedded in mobile phones, watches or other portable devices.

Australian Central chief executive Peter Evers believes cash will be replaced for most transactions in five-to-seven years.

"Cash will disappear as there will be other forms of carrying cash, stored value in your phone or whatever it might be. It will transfer automatically," he said.

"We're very close in countries around the world. If you go in to Hong Kong or Singapore, the low-value transactions have already disappeared. You can't go anywhere, like on public transport, without pre-purchasing a card.

"I think the Australian Payment Systems Board is very much on top of it and is trying to move down a path, but hasn't publicly put things into place yet."

BankSA general manager strategy and operations Chris Ward expects Australia to follow the offshore lead, with small cash transactions disappearing first.

"So you can't go and buy a bottle of water from the deli with cash; you've got to go and buy it with your chip," he said.

Bendigo and Adelaide Bank state manager SA/NT John Oliver said it was easier for retailers to use electronic transactions than manual cash transactions.

Savings & Loans chief executive Greg Connor said the concept of the wallet would go.

"Whereas now we have a wallet and purse, it will be a chip in your phone or your watch or something like that as your access," he said.

Mr Evers said credit cards were on the way out as well.

"The access to credit is still going to be there through the mobile phone, but you don't need the card because that's really only a means of identification," he said.

"There could be another way of identifying, but the product, revolving credit, will still sit there."

http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25637102-5014239,00.html

Cash is definitely becoming extinct. 

[Hugo Chavez]

Through fear tactics, governments can get the general populace to beg them for the chip, believing it's for their own safety and well being.

I see stupid people everywhere.  I'll be shocked if Nordic doesn't too.  They'll go for it.  Set up the right series of events and they'll line up.

[Hugo Chavez]

this stuff will probably be voluntary at first.  A way to quickly move through stores, airport security, never going to the bank etc.  People will be waiting in line with a cart full of groceries as the chipped people walk right past them with a cart full of things they bagged right off the shelf and then they'll want it.  That's one way I see this could get started.  Then once everyone is accustomed to it, it's only a crisis away from being required.

[GroinkTropin]

Through fear tactics, governments can get the general populace to beg them for the chip, believing it's for their own safety and well being.

Yup. I have many friends who would be considered "techy" and new age etc. They not only laugh at religion, they pray they could get something as awesome as a microchip in their hands. They'd never think twice. Hell consider you an idiot for even considering NOT getting one.

The Bible also says we all get a chance to side with God and choose which way we go. Assuming we don't get taken during Rapture. I don't see this being a pretty experience. Starving to death someplace clutching a Bible to show your faith does not sound fun, but will simply be the only path for many.

[Nordic Superman]

Yup. I have many friends who would be considered "techy" and new age etc. They not only laugh at religion, they pray they could get something as awesome as a microchip in their hands. They'd never think twice. Hell consider you an idiot for even considering NOT getting one.

I'm a programmer, atheist and I consider myself as much against this shit as anyone with religious reasoning why not to want it.

What I do find odd tho... is that manner governments implemented religion into society for their own benefit to control, yet now it seems the Christian religion is one of the greatest barriers to a NWO? Hmm...

[Hugo Chavez]

I'm a programmer, atheist and I consider myself as much against this shit as anyone with religious reasoning why not to want it.

What I do find odd tho... is that manner governments implemented religion into society for their own benefit to control, yet now it seems the Christian religion is one of the greatest barriers to a NWO? Hmm...

They seem to be for a NWO imo.  A lot of them anyway.  It's Global Governance they have a problem with.  I know that's odd.

[Nordic Superman]

They seem to be for a NWO imo.  A lot of them anyway.  It's Global Governance they have a problem with.  I know that's odd.

Let me guess, from a Christian perspective:

(A) NWO - Global Governance = Good!

(B) NWO + Global Governance = Bad!

Anyone want to expand on why? What prophecies say A is OK?

[Hugo Chavez]

Let me guess, from a Christian perspective:

(A) NWO - Global Governance = Good!

(B) NWO + Global Governance = Bad!

Anyone want to expand on why? What prophecies say A is OK?

I know, wtf? lol...  I don't get that either.

[grab an umbrella]

The only logical explanation would be that since the rapture is coming they(christians) don't really care what happens.

[Butterbean]

Let me guess, from a Christian perspective:

(A) NWO - Global Governance = Good!

(B) NWO + Global Governance = Bad!

Anyone want to expand on why? What prophecies say A is OK?

I don't necessarily think your guess is correct but I need more info please.

I will try to answer from my perspective but can you explain what you mean by NWO?  I mean, I think you are saying New World Order but what aspects are you referring to in your equation? 

[2ND COMING]

They seem to be for a NWO imo.  A lot of them anyway.  It's Global Governance they have a problem with.  I know that's odd.

my father is an evangelical and he thinks the rfid is the mark of the beast. So i dont think all christians are for the NWO Lol.

[Butterbean]

my father is an evangelical and he thinks the rfid is the mark of the beast. So i dont think all christians are for the NWO Lol.

If implanting a chip like that into the body is a part of the NWO definition, then I agree, most Christians w/a knowledge of bible prophecy wouldn't be for the NWO in either equation.

[Hugo Chavez]

my father is an evangelical and he thinks the rfid is the mark of the beast. So i dont think all christians are for the NWO Lol.

yea, no way, didn't mean to imply all.

[Hugo Chavez]

Nordic you might be interested in this:

2005

A Scottish nightclub is about to become the first in Britain to offer its customers the chance to have a microchip implanted in their arm to save them carrying cash.

The "digital wallet", the size of a grain of rice, guarantees entry to the club and allows customers to buy drinks on account. Brad Stevens, owner of Bar Soba in Glasgow, said his customers had responded enthusiastically to the idea.

The VeriChip is inserted by a medical professional and then scanned for its unique ID number as a customer enters the bar.

"There are a number of advantages, from instant access, to not having to carry money or credit cards, to letting bar staff know a customer's name and favourite drink," said Mr Stevens. "By the time you walk through the door to the bar, your favourite drink is waiting for you and the bar staff can greet you by name."

However, he said the bar would also have to make sure that customers with the chip had a limit on how much they could spend to prevent them drinking beyond their ability to pay.

The scheme was criticised by a spokesman for the Scottish Executive, who said the microchip could encourage excessive drinking, and by Notags, a consumer group set up to resist the spread of radio frequency identification devices.

A spokesman said: "The chip contains your name and ID number and, as this could be read remotely without your knowledge, that is already too much information."