Author Topic: If God made man in his own Image, and Man is imperfect.... (Read 3836 times)

Parker · « **on:** June 04, 2009, 03:26:00 PM »

Does that mean God is imperfect? And in being so, doesn't that mean that God can and his ways and means, be questioned? Just came up with this at work right now...I had a another question but forgot to write it down.

MB_722 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 04, 2009, 05:38:21 PM »

No.

If we were all perfect there would be no point.

Butterbean · « **Reply #2 on:** June 04, 2009, 06:11:22 PM »

God made man prior to sin entering the world.

MB_722 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 04, 2009, 06:14:03 PM »

http://www.sullivan-county.com/z/original_sin2.htm

24KT · « **Reply #4 on:** June 06, 2009, 01:25:55 AM »

Quote from: MB_722 on June 04, 2009, 06:14:03 PM

http://www.sullivan-county.com/z/original_sin2.htm

What are you talking about?
Original Sin is very real! She posts over on the girly board.

Parker · « **Reply #5 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:22:15 PM »

Quote from: STella on June 04, 2009, 06:11:22 PM

God made man prior to sin entering the world.

But God knew man was going to sin, so therefore his thought of our sin, means that sin was already created, before the "act" of sinning.

Migs · « **Reply #6 on:** June 06, 2009, 04:08:51 PM »

Quote from: Parker on June 06, 2009, 03:22:15 PM

But God knew man was going to sin, so therefore his thought of our sin, means that sin was already created, before the "act" of sinning.

Damn skippy right

Butterbean · « **Reply #7 on:** June 07, 2009, 12:29:32 PM »

Quote from: Parker on June 06, 2009, 03:22:15 PM

But God knew man was going to sin, so therefore his thought of our sin, means that sin was already created, before the "act" of sinning.

God knew there would be a space shuttle in the future also. Does that mean the space shuttle was already created?

Parker · « **Reply #8 on:** June 07, 2009, 03:23:51 PM »

Quote from: STella on June 07, 2009, 12:29:32 PM

God knew there would be a space shuttle in the future also. Does that mean the space shuttle was already created?

he knew that the plane would be invented, and then the plane would be perfected, thereby the creation of the Space shuttle.

I speaking on thought, in a sense, sin is very intagible, not like one can touch it, but the thought of it is it's genesis, then the act is it's creation, it's birth into reality. So if God knew, meaning that the thought was "known", then it was only a matter of time before Human gave birth to the sin but the actual "act".

Deicide · « **Reply #9 on:** June 07, 2009, 04:18:31 PM »

Quote from: Parker on June 07, 2009, 03:23:51 PM

he knew that the plane would be invented, and then the plane would be perfected, thereby the creation of the Space shuttle.

I speaking on thought, in a sense, sin is very intagible, not like one can touch it, but the thought of it is it's genesis, then the act is it's creation, it's birth into reality. So if God knew, meaning that the thought was "known", then it was only a matter of time before Human gave birth to the sin but the actual "act".

It's just one of the many contradictions inherent in Christianity. You won't get a straight answer from any of the fundies here.

drkaje · « **Reply #10 on:** June 07, 2009, 04:52:14 PM »

Quote from: Parker on June 04, 2009, 03:26:00 PM

Does that mean God is imperfect? And in being so, doesn't that mean that God can and his ways and means, be questioned? Just came up with this at work right now...I had a another question but forgot to write it down.

Be more literal and it makes sense. "In his image" could simply mean man looks like a man. Same as a cup is in a cup's image.

The idea that man physically resembles God is a silly way for people to feel better about themselves.

God hasn't made any perfect people yet.

OzmO · « **Reply #11 on:** June 07, 2009, 06:26:29 PM »

It was cool, God, made us in his own image and like every other mammal on the planet.

Adam and Eve where such perfect creations they lied to God.

Parker · « **Reply #12 on:** June 07, 2009, 07:34:04 PM »

Quote from: drkaje on June 07, 2009, 04:52:14 PM

Be more literal and it makes sense. "In his image" could simply mean man looks like a man. Same as a cup is in a cup's image.

The idea that man physically resembles God is a silly way for people to feel better about themselves.

God hasn't made any perfect people yet.

True.

Quote from: OzmO on June 07, 2009, 06:26:29 PM

It was cool, God, made us in his own image and like every other mammal on the planet.

Adam and Eve where such perfect creations they lied to God.

yep, and God knew that they were gonna lie, before they lied. So what is the purpose of creating people who you know are gonna do something, before they do it, and punishing them for the act, that he knew that they were gonna do. Sounds kinda, dare I say, sadistic?

I mean, I pray and all, but i am very sincere, but if God is gonna punish me for act in the future that he knows that I'm gonna do beforehand, I'm basically up shit's creek. I have no recourse

Joel_A · « **Reply #13 on:** June 07, 2009, 09:08:09 PM »

Quote from: Parker on June 07, 2009, 07:34:04 PM

True.

yep, and God knew that they were gonna lie, before they lied. So what is the purpose of creating people who you know are gonna do something, before they do it, and punishing them for the act, that he knew that they were gonna do. Sounds kinda, dare I say, sadistic?

I mean, I pray and all, but i am very sincere, but if God is gonna punish me for act in the future that he knows that I'm gonna do beforehand, I'm basically up shit's creek. I have no recourse

That's why I keep saying there is no such thing as 'free will' if you believe in God.

Parker · « **Reply #14 on:** June 08, 2009, 07:17:43 AM »

Quote from: Joel_A on June 07, 2009, 09:08:09 PM

That's why I keep saying there is no such thing as 'free will' if you believe in God.

My argument could probably be used for why so many marriages, which are covenants with God, end up broken or in divorce...because god knew that these people were insincere from the getgo, so the punishment is the pain and anguish of having ones feelings hurt thru cheating, financial distress, or other things.

Deicide · « **Reply #15 on:** June 08, 2009, 09:54:04 AM »

Quote from: Parker on June 08, 2009, 07:17:43 AM

My argument could probably be used for why so many marriages, which are covenants with God, end up broken or in divorce...because god knew that these people were insincere from the getgo, so the punishment is the pain and anguish of having ones feelings hurt thru cheating, financial distress, or other things.

One day my friend, you will realise that arguing with religious fundamentalists is a total waste of time.

Parker · « **Reply #16 on:** June 08, 2009, 12:08:05 PM »

Quote from: Deicide on June 08, 2009, 09:54:04 AM

One day my friend, you will realise that arguing with religious fundamentalists is a total waste of time.

I have no argument with them, just ponderings, I tend to do that a lot.

Butterbean · « **Reply #17 on:** June 09, 2009, 01:26:15 PM »

Quote from: Parker on June 07, 2009, 07:34:04 PM

True.

yep, and God knew that they were gonna lie, before they lied. So what is the purpose of creating people who you know are gonna do something, before they do it, and punishing them for the act, that he knew that they were gonna do. Sounds kinda, dare I say, sadistic?

I mean, I pray and all, but i am very sincere, but if God is gonna punish me for act in the future that he knows that I'm gonna do beforehand, I'm basically up shit's creek. I have no recourse

Parker I'm not sure...are you saying you would rather not have free will?

Deicide · « **Reply #18 on:** June 10, 2009, 08:40:25 AM »

Quote from: STella on June 09, 2009, 01:26:15 PM

Parker I'm not sure...are you saying you would rather not have free will?

Sometimes your questions are so strange it's hard to know if you are being sarcastic or not.

Lord Humungous · « **Reply #19 on:** June 11, 2009, 06:28:15 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on June 08, 2009, 09:54:04 AM

One day my friend, you will realise that arguing with religious fundamentalists is a total waste of time.

kinda like your quest to get in shape

Deicide · « **Reply #20 on:** June 11, 2009, 06:40:06 AM »

Quote from: Lord Humungous on June 11, 2009, 06:28:15 AM

kinda like your quest to get in shape

Aren't Christians supposed to be kind? And I will get in shape, unlike people who believe in talking snakes and magic apples, they won't stop believing that.

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #21 on:** June 12, 2009, 07:12:18 PM »

this confuses me too. How can we have free will if God is all knowing? Doesn't one cancel out the other?

Parker · « **Reply #22 on:** June 20, 2009, 02:33:02 PM »

Quote from: STella on June 09, 2009, 01:26:15 PM

Parker I'm not sure...are you saying you would rather not have free will?

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on June 12, 2009, 07:12:18 PM

this confuses me too. How can we have free will if God is all knowing? Doesn't one cancel out the other?

this is the answer to Stella's question to me.

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #23 on:** June 20, 2009, 02:41:15 PM »

Quote from: Parker on June 06, 2009, 03:22:15 PM

But God knew man was going to sin, so therefore his thought of our sin, and did nothing to create us as sinless beings

fixed

liberalismo · « **Reply #24 on:** June 20, 2009, 05:06:03 PM »

God has 2 legs, 2 arms, 2 eyes, 1 nose and 1 mouth?

Why does god have legs, arms, eyes, a nose and a mouth?

Or does "in gods image" mean emotional and mental opposed to physical?

If so, then why would an all powerful all knowing being get angry, sad, scared, jealous? Does God have sexual feelings?

Or does "in gods image" not mean emotional and mental either?

Then what the hell DOES it mean?