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Strikeforce thread
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2009, 05:04:48 PM »
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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2009, 06:47:23 PM »
He's been done.  It's why the UFC cut him along time ago...
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Next-Day Thoughts: Strikeforce: Shields vs. Lawler (good write up)
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2009, 08:13:33 PM »
I never understood why Strikeforce would have Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante on the undercard.  The assumption was that they wanted him to fight Sobral for the 205 title and having him fight off of TV didn't make a lot of sense for a promotion that needs to build stars.  However, all reports point to him showing up out of shape before getting knocked out by Mike Kyle of all people.  Maybe he can still be a star for them down the road but for now I think you pretty much have to feature him on the Challenger shows.

- Kevin Randleman is done.  He looked old.  He still has some explosive athletic ability but he spent probably 14 minutes of the 15 minute fight just looking like a shot fighter.  Whitehead didn't look much better in not ever looking like he had any interest in finishing "The Monster" but with Feijao losing it does open up the door for another challenger at 205.  But does anyone really want to see Sobral/Whitehead 2?

- I think I finally achieved some respect for Phil Baroni last night.  Not because he looked good (he didn't) or because he showed a dedication to improve his cardio (he didn't).  But rather because no one has ever gotten more out of a 13-11 record than Phil has.  Every card he is on he manages to become a focal point of the promotion because of his personality even if the outcome of the fight is completely predictable.  Joe Riggs deserves some credit for continuing to throw power shots for three full rounds with broken hands and completely dominating the fight.  Phil Baroni deserves some credit for making people care about watching him get punched in the face while he struggles to not pass out from a lack of oxygen.

- Nick Diaz is probably my least favorite fighter on the planet, but I still have to give him credit for just working non-stop on the feet against a guy with real KO power in Scott Smith.  Smith has heart for days and may be the best "TV fighter" on the planet but he just didn't have an answer to Diaz's swarming style other than throwing home run punches.  I don't have to like the guy, but Diaz looked impressive.

- Letting Andrei Arlovski go is one of those Dana White moves that just happens to look brilliant in hindsight.  I'm not saying he let him go because he knew he'd eventually get KO'ed by Brett Rogers.  But now looking back at it you no longer see the UFC letting a top 5 heavyweight go, just a guy who was probably a little overrated.

- The more important thing with Arlovski is that yeah, his chin isn't great...but where is the defense?  I mean, for all the improvement in footwork and punching technique Andrei leaves his chin open way too often.  His chin wouldn't ever hold up in the long run in a boxing career.  The KO also means that he'll have a medical suspension which will  keep him out of his boxing debut that was scheduled for 21 days from the Rogers fight marking at least the third delay to his debut that I can remember.

- I don't think we really learned anything new about Rogers last night.  He hits really hard, but we knew that.  I've heard a lot of people take shots at the way that he stepped in winging wide punches but he did that after catching and hurting Arlovski.  He abandoned technique to finish the fight because it was his best chance of winning.  The old "brawl a boxer, box a brawler" thing worked well for Brett and he deserves credit for the win.  He's a guy I've always liked but I think we need to hold off before making any determinations of where he really fits into the division.

- Robbie Lawler could not have given that fight away more if he tried.  He just leaned in and gave his neck to Shields.  There was absolutely no reason to just bend over and stick his head there for the taking.  If I learned anything from the main event it is that either guy being considered top 5 in their weight class is not something I can get on board with.  Shields looks absolutely horrified when he is forced to exchange on the feet and Lawler just makes too many dumb mistakes but has been allowed to feed on guys that play into his game for the past couple years.

- The broadcast is just awful.  The fed lines to Shamrock were corny, Mauro's puns are gag inducing, and Gus seems like he has regressed since the EXC days (when I was a big fan of his potential).  But worse than all of that are the musclemen animations of MMA moves.  Do I really need an animation of skinless men using poor technique to tell me what a jab is?  If they feel the need to show what certain moves are can't they just use clips from actual fights?  I enjoy the Strikeforce product, but there is a serious need to fix the broadcast going forward.

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Was Nick Diaz implying that he got inside information on Scott Smith’s weaknesses from Smith’s teammates? That’s what he made it sound like after the fight:

Nick Diaz has suggested that his win over Scott Smith may be credited in part to “betrayal” on the part of Smith’s team mates.

Speaking after the fight, Diaz said of Smith. “I know his partners. They’re not loyal training partners. They’re not good friends to have. We’ve got a team twenty minutes down the road and I know everything they do.

“We work a lot harder than they do. I don’t like to talk bad about people I don’t know, but I know these guys,” he added.

Because Nick Diaz is generally a mumbler and half the things he says don’t seem to make any sense, I thought at the time he was just setting up his dickish invitation to “Come train with a REAL team”. It’s generally hard to tell when Nick is being serious and when he’s just being a dick … maybe this is true. And maybe  he was just being a dick. Most likely he was being both. But it’s worth noting that just because Nick Diaz says something is true, it doesn’t always mean it is.

What’s the ethics of this anyways? In my opinion, fight espionage is cheating it takes two to tango. Obviously everyone scours over tapes and talks to former opponents, but accepting information from the teammates of the guy you’re currently about to fight just seems past cheap. No one else has really poked this story around, even on the forums, so it will be interesting to see what comes of it when the rest of the MMA sites pick it up.

UPDATE: I completely got this one wrong. Nick Diaz was just talking about how one of the guys cornering Smith used to be a friend and training partner of Nick’s back in the day:

“…and his partner too that used to train with us … helped like three guys train to fight me … supposed to be my friend I brought him into this sport I started him training and got him into this shit and then from one place to another trying to help people who are trying to beat me  and then he goes and here he is cornering another fighter against me with Scott Smith. It never ends with these guys and they have no team unities and I don’t feel like they’re loyal friends to each other and that’s the ball game here, that’s the name of the game, it’s a team sport and you’re only as good as who you train with.”

Honestly, I must have been watching too much TUF lately assuming this story was a straight up training secrets betrayal. I read the line “We’ve got a team twenty minutes down the road and I know everything they do” to mean someone was squealing on Scott’s training down at Cesar Gracie’s. But knowing Nick Diaz, he was just implying his school was better. The former partner Diaz is referring to is Tim McKenzie, and you can read an interview with him at ProMMA.info that goes over the entire beef with Nick.

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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2009, 03:05:49 AM »
Wait, it was a HUGE victory when Fedor KO'd him. ::)

Funny........it took the banjolip 20 seconds to KO him and Fedor ran away from him for a few minutes before he got a lucky shot in.

Arvoloski got sloppier Faster with in this fight.  He went for that stupid kick right off the bat.  Pretty dumb.

Remember though that this guy was knocking out Lesner in training every so often, he's no slouch. 

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Re: The Strikeforce card was freaking AWESOME!
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2009, 08:49:14 AM »
Looking forward to WEC tonight!!!

This is an opinion. ;D

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Re: The Strikeforce card was freaking AWESOME!
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2009, 10:04:14 AM »
This is an opinion. ;D

Clearly.  Glad to see you're off your period :D
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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2009, 10:08:41 AM »
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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2009, 10:36:44 AM »
He's been done.  It's why the UFC cut him along time ago...




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Re: The Strikeforce card was freaking AWESOME!
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2009, 11:57:47 AM »
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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2009, 05:58:47 PM »



let me quote:
Dana white: we really tried to sign up again.. I'm dissapointed i couldn't make it happen  ;)
I bet he's really disappointed now. :D

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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2009, 06:58:22 PM »
people still buy tickets and paper views to watch him  ::)
look at chuck,, ;)
or randy coture as he fights again in august..
people pay too watch names they know  ;)

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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2009, 07:13:17 PM »
people still buy tickets and paper views to watch him  ::)
look at chuck,, ;)
or randy coture as he fights again in august..
people pay too watch names they know  ;)
"paper views"??

Chuck and Randy are alot older than Andre, aren't they? Isn't he only 30? He peaked 5-6 years ago.
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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2009, 08:02:10 PM »
this guys does not need to be in a boxing ring either. It's the last place he needs to be.

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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2009, 10:31:54 PM »
cut the pitbull alittle slack guys, hes in a little slump right now. remember mark coleman before he won the pride grand prix? he was on a 4 or 5 fight losing streak and came back to win the pride grand prix. i dont think andres done, i believe hes in a slump and thats all
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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2009, 06:21:54 AM »
I think Andre's problem is that the fame went to his head.. Unfortunatley so have his last two oppenents fists! I still think that Andre can come back and do great, but he needs to train his ass off. I thought Andre came into the weigh-ins a little soft. He was still rock hard, but not 300 spartan rip hard like he usually does.

It wouldn't suprise me if he didnt take this fight all that serious. Dude has great hands as we all know, but a very questionable chin. People are finding Andre's button before he can find theirs. Not a good situation for the pitbull. I think we will see him at least another two times before he goes bythe way, if he wins he keeps fighting another ko like he has got his last two fights and no one will want him. JMO

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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2009, 10:30:14 AM »
I think Andre's problem is that the fame went to his head.. Unfortunatley so have his last two oppenents fists! I still think that Andre can come back and do great, but he needs to train his ass off. I thought Andre came into the weigh-ins a little soft. He was still rock hard, but not 300 spartan rip hard like he usually does.

It wouldn't suprise me if he didnt take this fight all that serious. Dude has great hands as we all know, but a very questionable chin. People are finding Andre's button before he can find theirs. Not a good situation for the pitbull. I think we will see him at least another two times before he goes bythe way, if he wins he keeps fighting another ko like he has got his last two fights and no one will want him. JMO

His problem is that he has a glass jaw.  One minor tap and he's out.
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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2009, 04:21:19 PM »
His problem is that he has a glass jaw.  One minor tap and he's out.

This has always been a question relating to Andre. Hell Tim Sylvia sat him on his ass! How many people that are quality has Tim Sylvia put on their ass?

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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2009, 05:25:02 PM »
He's had the glass jaw from day 1.  Look at this classic clip of him getting KOd by one of the biggest jokes in MMA



Yes, this guy, whose record is 4 wins 9 losses KOd "the Pitbull"

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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2009, 07:19:18 PM »
He's had the glass jaw from day 1.  Look at this classic clip of him getting KOd by one of the biggest jokes in MMA



Yes, this guy, whose record is 4 wins 9 losses KOd "the Pitbull"



Hater!!! You're just posting those in an effort to discredit Fedor's absolutely brutal KO of the infamous and unstoppable "pitbull"!! >:( >:(
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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2009, 09:13:11 AM »
Hater!!! You're just posting those in an effort to discredit Fedor's absolutely brutal KO of the infamous and unstoppable "pitbull"!! >:( >:(

Don't forget about his brutal dismantling of Tim "The Main-iac" Silvia or the devastating beatdown he put on middleweight Matt Linland or the ungodly submission he pulled off against 7'2" Hong Man Choi :o
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Re: the pitbull
« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2009, 03:32:33 PM »
Don't forget about his brutal dismantling of Tim "The Main-iac" Silvia or the devastating beatdown he put on middleweight Matt Linland or the ungodly submission he pulled off against 7'2" Hong Man Choi :o
Yes, Hong Man Choi is a beast of a man with an impeccable MMA record with only a single blemish!! :o And Tim Sylvia was too much man for the UFC to contain!

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Strikeforce Thread
« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2009, 08:52:30 AM »
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Re: StrikeForce Thread
« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2009, 11:25:54 AM »
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Re: StrikeForce Thread
« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2009, 10:02:19 PM »
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Merged the Threads wrong smartass...