Question for Evolutionists

[Ganuvanx]

There seems to be a lot of Christian religion bashing by evolutionists these days. A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set beliefs that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or ultimate truth.  Evolution fits the definition of religion in that evolutionists believe in an ultimate truth that we are constantly evolving to something better and we are therefore in a way our own gods. I came up with this diagram to help evolutionists understand they are actually practitioners of religion even though they don’t understand it. Evolutionists must agree that evolution according to their beliefs, doesn’t stop. I would like these guys to explain to me what they think they are evolving into according to their religion. This diagram is as close as I could figure out.

[Butterbean]

I would like these guys to explain to me what they think they are evolving into according to their religion.

Very interesting question!

[Deicide]

There seems to be a lot of Christian religion bashing by evolutionists these days. A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set beliefs that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or ultimate truth.  Evolution fits the definition of religion in that evolutionists believe in an ultimate truth that we are constantly evolving to something better and we are therefore in a way our own gods. I came up with this diagram to help evolutionists understand they are actually practitioners of religion even though they don’t understand it. Evolutionists must agree that evolution according to their beliefs, doesn’t stop. I would like these guys to explain to me what they think they are evolving into according to their religion. This diagram is as close as I could figure out.

Evolution has no direction as it is adapative in nature. Who knows? We do know that evolution has taken place and continues to do so. I don't practise any religion thank you.

[OzmO]

In 100,000 years we will have evolved to merge with machines.

[gcb]

There seems to be a lot of Christian religion bashing by evolutionists these days. A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set beliefs that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or ultimate truth.  Evolution fits the definition of religion in that evolutionists believe in an ultimate truth that we are constantly evolving to something better and we are therefore in a way our own gods. I came up with this diagram to help evolutionists understand they are actually practitioners of religion even though they don’t understand it. Evolutionists must agree that evolution according to their beliefs, doesn’t stop. I would like these guys to explain to me what they think they are evolving into according to their religion. This diagram is as close as I could figure out.

No evolution does not say that - evolution has NO pre-determined path - we can evolve (into something better) or devolve. Evolution simply dictates that those creatures which are best suited to survival will continue to thrive while natural selection will eliminate those that are unsuited. When elements of natural selection are taken out of the equation we lose those traits (ie. are ability to withstand snake bite is much less than other mammals because intellectually we learnt to avoid snakes).

[Butterbean]

In 100,000 years we will have evolved to merge with machines.

OzmO are you being serious?  If so, what do you envision regarding this?

[mitchyboy]

OzmO are you being serious?  If so, what do you envision regarding this?

I tend 2 agree some what. Look around, we have pacemakers, artificial hearts, hearing aids, working on artificial eyes.
I think if we don't blow ourselves up first, we very well could see a lot more of these types of " mechanical evolutions "
if you will.

[OzmO]

OzmO are you being serious?  If so, what do you envision regarding this?

I am being serious.  "IF" evolution is what it is billed to be, in addition to what mitchyboy says, we are in a mechanical, electronic environment bathed in radio waves.  At some point, thousands and thousands of years from now, we will evolve to merge with our machines.

[tonymctones]

There seems to be a lot of Christian religion bashing by evolutionists these days. A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set beliefs that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or ultimate truth.  Evolution fits the definition of religion in that evolutionists believe in an ultimate truth that we are constantly evolving to something better and we are therefore in a way our own gods. I came up with this diagram to help evolutionists understand they are actually practitioners of religion even though they don’t understand it. Evolutionists must agree that evolution according to their beliefs, doesn’t stop. I would like these guys to explain to me what they think they are evolving into according to their religion. This diagram is as close as I could figure out.

false there is not better or worse in terms of evolution only better or less suited for the enviroment. Like deicide said evolution has no path, something that you might consider a undesireable property might end up being whats best suited for the enviroment. Again evolution doesnt say that we are evolving towards a defined end it says whats best suited for the enviroment will have the best chance to pass on its genes.

[Deicide]

For those interested, check out Ray Kurzweil's singularity theory:

An analysis of the history of technology shows that technological change is exponential, contrary to the common-sense 'intuitive linear' view. So we won't experience 100 years of progress in the 21st century—it will be more like 20,000 years of progress (at today's rate). The 'returns,' such as chip speed and cost-effectiveness, also increase exponentially. There's even exponential growth in the rate of exponential growth. Within a few decades, machine intelligence will surpass human intelligence, leading to the Singularity—technological change so rapid and profound it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history. The implications include the merger of biological and nonbiological intelligence, immortal software-based humans, and ultra-high levels of intelligence that expand outward in the universe at the speed of light.

[Joel_A]

Computer technology 'doubles' every 18 months (according to Dr. Michio Kaku), and I believe him. Just look at laptops of today and compare it to about 2 yrs ago. Now a dual core processor is 'slow' compared to something like the Intel i7.  Also, my cellphone from last year (Samsung Rant) is freaking obsolete compared to these new smartphones out.

[Lord Humungous]

For those interested, check out Ray Kurzweil's singularity theory:

Some how Rays company Kurzweil instruments teeters on the edge of bankruptcy  go figure!

[liberalismo]

Evolution is about reaching an equilibrium with the environment. If a species has no "need" to evolve and no pressures are on it from the environment then it doesn't change much. If there are a lot of pressures from the environment then it changes a lot and evolves a lot.

Examples: The crocodile not changing much over millions of years. Other species change a lot in a few thousand years.

[Eisenherz]

Evolution is about reaching an equilibrium with the environment. If a species has no "need" to evolve and no pressures are on it from the environment then it doesn't change much. If there are a lot of pressures from the environment then it changes a lot and evolves a lot.

Examples: The crocodile not changing much over millions of years. Other species change a lot in a few thousand years.

Yes adapation of species to environment does occur, but species dont change/evolve into another type of species to suit their environment LOL.

[liberalismo]

Yes adapation of species to environment does occur, but species dont change/evolve into another type of species to suit their environment LOL.

They change as much as is needed, and then some. There is no limit to how much change can occur in a population. "Species" is just a term humans invented to discern types of organisms. It doesn't mean anything for the natural world, and definitely isn't some 'limit'.

[tonymctones]

They change as much as is needed, and then some. There is no limit to how much change can occur in a population. "Species" is just a term humans invented to discern types of organisms. It doesn't mean anything for the natural world, and definitely isn't some 'limit'.

thats exactly right.

[liberalismo]

thats exactly right.

Some people think that somehow adaptation stops all of a sudden right before a population becomes a new species. This doesn't make sense. There is no built in limit to how much change can occur, and EVEN IF there were, there is no reason why that built in limit couldn't be done away with by evolution. Evolution occurs on the most basic level of life, the genetic level, and the genetics determine everything including limitations. So essentially limits to how much change can occur in evolution can NOT exist in the long run since they could easily be altered by more mutations and natural selection.

The only limits that I can think of would be basic physics. Some things aren't possible for organic life. But then again, evolution always surprises. Some of the most fascinating traits have evolved in certain species to give them an advantage in living, hunting, breeding, etc.

Evolution NEVER stops, just slows down sometimes. Even humans are evolving, but we don't know what they are evolving into. Possible answers:

Humans are evolving to be immune to health problems associated with obesity.
Humans are evolving to be less physically endowed.
Various ailments both mental and physical spread through human gene pools due to technology allowing them to survive longer and breed more.


Humans, in general, are becoming inferior because their technology removes the need to have all sorts of attributes necessary to survive. Today, even the most genetically handicapped people still live long and breed.


This brings in new issues of Eugenics, which is another topic all together.

[Hedgehog]

Evolutionists must agree that evolution according to their beliefs, doesn’t stop. I would like these guys to explain to me what they think they are evolving into according to their religion. This diagram is as close as I could figure out.

Evolving into?

Why would there be an end of evolution?

Because that is in essence what you're suggesting.


And I'm not evolving into anything.

I'm me.

And whatever our ancestors will look like, or how they will evolve, I cannot say.

You can see small changes in mankind everywhere, adaptations.

From what I was told by a scienctist pygmees are short because that is an adaptation. Dutch people are tall - an adaptation.

Some ethinicities that have been living with cows have developed a tolerance to milk - others are lactose intolerant - like most black people.


Massai male negroes have average sized cocks measuring 10 inches. Because traditionally the Massais didn't wear any clothes and the cocks would apparently be used to attract women.


So there are differences already.

[Joel_A]

Evolving into?

Why would there be an end of evolution?

Because that is in essence what you're suggesting.


And I'm not evolving into anything.

I'm me.

And whatever our ancestors will look like, or how they will evolve, I cannot say.

You can see small changes in mankind everywhere, adaptations.

From what I was told by a scienctist pygmees are short because that is an adaptation. Dutch people are tall - an adaptation.

Some ethinicities that have been living with cows have developed a tolerance to milk - others are lactose intolerant - like most black people.


Massai male negroes have average sized cocks measuring 10 inches. Because traditionally the Massais didn't wear any clothes and the cocks would apparently be used to attract women.


So there are differences already.

why do asians have small penises then?

[Hedgehog]

why do asians have small penises then?

I have no idea.

The scientist told me about the Massais.

Why the Japs are hung like they are - I wouldn't know.

[ToxicAvenger]

There seems to be a lot of Christian religion bashing by evolutionists these days.

firstly this post misses right off the mark by assuming that Christianity is the correct religion...you wont know till u die..its assuming that your parents being Christians...were in fact right...and ya know what they say about assumptions

for all you know it could be Judaism or Islam or hell Hinduism

2 >  asking people what they r evolving into is like asking a pupa to speculate what it'll turn into or what kinda colours will the, to be butterfly have...
you dont know if tomorrow earth will get hit by radiation from a massive supernova and all humans except those that can tolerate radiation (VERY dark skinned) will be the only survivours...hense evolution thru survival of the fittest..given the conditions provided

[Nordic Superman]

The people suggesting we will merge with machines; do you think it will be a natural biological merging? If so, given my understanding of evolution - what exactly is the selection pressure? Remember, almost every human can procreate in this day and age, the least fit, the fat and the unsuccessful... from a natural selection standpoint they are all as successful in regards to passing genes on to the next generation. Un-educated undesirables even have a higher birthrate and therefore a monopoly on the human gene pool... so again I ask, where is the selection pressure to merge with machines?

[liberalismo]

The people suggesting we will merge with machines; do you think it will be a natural biological merging? If so, given my understanding of evolution - what exactly is the selection pressure? Remember, almost every human can procreate in this day and age, the least fit, the fat and the unsuccessful... from a natural selection standpoint they are all as successful in regards to passing genes on to the next generation. Un-educated undesirables even have a higher birthrate and therefore a monopoly on the human gene pool... so again I ask, where is the selection pressure to merge with machines?

It won't be natural. Humans will merge themselves with machines gradually over time.

First prosthetic limbs.
Next brain implants to increase memory or communication or processing speed.
Next replacement organs.

[Nordic Superman]

It won't be natural. Humans will merge themselves with machines gradually over time.

First prosthetic limbs.
Next brain implants to increase memory or communication or processing speed.
Next replacement organs.

so it's not biological evolution leading to speciation, it's the progression of technology.

[liberalismo]

so it's not biological evolution leading to speciation, it's the progression of technology.

In humans...

In humans there won't really be a speciation but rather changes brought from technology.