Question for Evolutionists

[Nordic Superman]

In humans...

In humans there won't really be a speciation but rather changes brought from technology.

It's not evolutionary at all then in the sense of specialisation and natural selective pressures. It's almost exclusively society and technological evolution.

[Joel_A]

It is already starting. 

[Government_Controlled]

In humans...

In humans there won't really be a speciation but rather changes brought from technology.

It's not evolutionary at all then in the sense of specialisation and natural selective pressures. It's almost exclusively society and technological evolution.

So does this mean humans are the exception to the rule of evolution? In other words, out of all the evolutionary events that are occurring, which if I'm perceiving what evolution teaches accurately, it (evolution) is an ongoing process, eh? If so, according to these post, humans are the exception to the rule. We don't evolve, is this right? Humans can only make tech. advances/adaptions? Again, if so, why is the human family NOT subjected to the pressures of evolution?



CG/DEA_AGENT

[Necrosis]

So does this mean humans are the exception to the rule of evolution? In other words, out of all the evolutionary events that are occurring, which if I'm perceiving what evolution teaches accurately, it (evolution) is an ongoing process, eh? If so, according to these post, humans are the exception to the rule. We don't evolve, is this right? Humans can only make tech. advances/adaptions? Again, if so, why is the human family NOT subjected to the pressures of evolution?



CG/DEA_AGENT

we are, that is not what they are saying. We have devised strategies to avoid sickness, predation etc... we dont need to evolve much as our envoironment puts little pressue on us. Our brains may become bigger etc.. something along those lines, but we recieve little physical stress. We dont need camoflauge to avoid predators, water conservation strategies. Hell myopia is rampant in our society which should eliminate some, but we invented glasses allowin those to flourish.

technology provides the greatest stress. Everything evolves

[Government_Controlled]

we are, that is not what they are saying. We have devised strategies to avoid sickness, predation etc... we dont need to evolve much as our envoironment puts little pressue on us. Our brains may become bigger etc.. something along those lines, but we recieve little physical stress. We dont need camoflauge to avoid predators, water conservation strategies. Hell myopia is rampant in our society which should eliminate some, but we invented glasses allowin those to flourish.

Yes, but isn't this achieved thru our own thinking processes? I thought evolution occurred without thought process?

technology provides the greatest stress. Everything evolves

I'm not sure if we are talking micro or macro here. Again, I thought evolution teaches that no thought process is involved. Just asking, friend.



GC/DEA_AGENT

[Necrosis]

Yes, but isn't this achieved thru our own thinking processes? I thought evolution occurred without thought process?


I'm not sure if we are talking micro or macro here. Again, I thought evolution teaches that no thought process is involved. Just asking, friend.



GC/DEA_AGENT

im wiped on xanax right now so forgive me but i dont understand your questions. because of the evolution of the prefrontal cortex we can effciently keep things neutral, and avoid many pressures other species do not have. Intellectually we will grow more the physically i assume. Increase in brain matter, more glial, astrocytes, less relying etc...

[Government_Controlled]

im wiped on xanax right now so forgive me but i dont understand your questions. because of the evolution of the prefrontal cortex we can effciently keep things neutral, and avoid many pressures other species do not have. Intellectually we will grow more the physically i assume. Increase in brain matter, more glial, astrocytes, less relying etc...

NP. Let me throw another question at ya. Are the apes still evolving into humans? If not, why did evolution stop. What casued evolution in that case to stop apes from turning into humans.

[Necrosis]

NP. Let me throw another question at ya. Are the apes still evolving into humans? If not, why did evolution stop. What casued evolution in that case to stop apes from turning into humans.

i think you should learn about evolution, this question comes up over and over and is somewhat silly.

[Government_Controlled]

i think you should learn about evolution, this question comes up over and over and is somewhat silly.

Well, Necrosis that's why I'm asking the question. To learn. Am I entitled to make at least one mistake, as well? At this point, why can't someone explain this question? It should be easy for evolutionist to do so.


BTW, if I'm wrong, so be it. I can take it. At least show me my error. Isn't that what a reasonable person should do?



GC/DEA_AGENT

[haider]

Well, Necrosis that's why I'm asking the question. To learn. Am I entitled to make at least one mistake, as well? At this point, why can't someone explain this question? It should be easy for evolutionist to do so.


BTW, if I'm wrong, so be it. I can take it. At least show me my error. Isn't that what a reasonable person should do?



GC/DEA_AGENT

with all due respect, perhaps you should research the topic a little bit before partaking in an argument about it? I think it is reasonable to not be handed all knowledge on a platter, and spoon-fed to you 

Evolution is a science, and demands the kind of attention and study as any other science.

[Government_Controlled]

with all due respect, perhaps you should research the topic a little bit before partaking in an argument about it? I think it is reasonable to not be handed all knowledge on a platter, and spoon-fed to you 

Evolution is a science, and demands the kind of attention and study as any other science.

I have studied. Never came across the answer to this.

BTW, how is this ALL knowledge about evolution? 




GC/DEA_AGENT

[haider]

I have studied. Never came across the answer to this.

BTW, how is this ALL knowlegde about evoultion? 




GC/DEA_AGENT

As polesmoker Necrosis already mentioned, you wouldn't be asking the question if you understood how evolution worked. But if you must demand an answer: We didn't evolve from monkeys. We belong to different evolutionary branches with a common ancestor. Is that good enough?

Regarding the second comment: patience my friend.

[Government_Controlled]

As polesmoker Necrosis already mentioned, you wouldn't be asking the question if you understood how evolution worked. But if you must demand an answer: We didn't evolve from monkeys. We belong to different evolutionary branches with a common ancestor. Is that good enough?

Thank you! That wasn't so hard, now was it?   When did that (that is, monkey's NOT being our ancestors) change? What are these evolutionary branches?

Regarding the second comment: patience my friend.

I've got plenty of it, I'm ready! 

Also, with abiogensis never happening, where does that leave evolution? Now, I'm just asking, so take it easy on me, k?

Another also, why isn't the human family evolving into some other species? What caused it to halt? We continue to die off without any hint of progressing into some higher being. Now, once again, take it easy on me, I'm just trying to learn here. 



GC/DEA_AGENT

[haider]

Thank you! That wasn't so hard, now was it?   When did that (that is, monkey's NOT being our ancestors) change? What are these evolutionary branches?

I've got plenty of it, I'm ready! 

Also, with abiogensis never happening, where does that leave evolution? Now, I'm just asking, so take it easy on me, k?

Another also, why isn't the human family evolving into some other species? What caused it to halt? We continue to die off without any hint of progressing into some higher being. Now, once again, take it easy on me, I'm just trying to learn here. 



GC/DEA_AGENT

No problem. My friend, this info is available and is easily accessible. In fact, there is a wikipedia article dedicated to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Likewise there's other sources: TV docu's, textbooks, etc that are easily available for those interested in learning about the subject.

[haider]

Another also, why isn't the human family evolving into some other species? What caused it to halt? We continue to die off without any hint of progressing into some higher being. Now, once again, take it easy on me, I'm just trying to learn here. 



GC/DEA_AGENT

Nothing caused evolution to halt, it is an ongoing process that is too slow for us to observe in the short term; our lifespans are too long for that. Rapidly reproducing organisms like bacteria that are easily subjected to changing environments through human intervention can be observed for "evolutionary changes". An understanding of evolutionary processes is necessary in modern medicine because of the ability of bacteria to adapt to antibiotics- I'm sure you've heard of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

I'm not the best person to answer these questions; I only have a surface understanding of biology, let alone a concentration of it like evolutionary science. Necrosis and others are much more educated on the issue.

[Government_Controlled]

Haider, here is my conclusion of my studies of evoultion vs creation from some years ago. And would like for you and Necroisis to analyize it, and let me know what's in error as well as what has changed in the study of evoultion. I really would like your input. No kidding!  




Predictions of        Predictions of        Facts as Found in
Evolution Model     Creation Model        the Real World
---------------  ---------------      -------------------


________________________ ________________________ ___________            
Life evolved from     Life comes only       (1) Life comes only
nonlife by chance    from previous life;    from previous life;
chemical evolution   originally created     (2) no way to form
(spontaneous          by an intelligent      complex genetic code
generation)             Creator                  by chance
________________________ ________________________ ___________
Fossils should show:  Fossils should show:   Fossils show:
(1) simple life           (1) complex forms      (1) sudden appearance
forms originating       suddenly appearing    of complex life in
gradually;                in great variety;        great variety;
(2) transitional         (2) gaps separating    (2) each new kind
forms linking            major kinds; no          separate from
previous ones          linking forms              previous kinds;no linking forms
________________________ ________________________ ___________                                            
New kinds arising     No new kinds              No new kinds
gradually;               gradually appearing;    gradually appearing,
beginnings of          no incomplete bones    although many
incomplete bones     or organs, but all        varieties; no
and organs in          parts completely         incompletely formed
various transitional   formed                      bones or organs
stages
________________________ ________________________ ___________
Mutations: net        Mutations harmful to    Small mutations
result beneficial;     complex life; do           harmful, large ones
generate new         not result in                lethal; never result
features                anything new               in anything new
________________________ ________________________ ___________  
Origin of                 Civilization                    Civilization
civilization              contemporaneous with    appears with man;
gradual, arising out  man; complex to            any cave dwellers
of crude, brutish      begin with                    were contemporary
beginnings                                                with civilization
________________________ ________________________ ____________
Language evolved      Language                    Language
from simple animal      contemporaneous with  contemporaneous with
sounds into complex   man; ancient               man; ancient ones
modern languages      languages complex        often more complex
                              and complete               than modern
________________________ ________________________ ____________
Appearance of man    Appearance of man        Oldest written
millions of years        about 6,000 years          records date back
ago                        ago                              only about 5,000
                                                               years
________________________ ________________________ ____________

[Government_Controlled]

Nothing caused evolution to halt, it is an ongoing process that is too slow for us to observe in the short term; our lifespans are too long for that.

Hey, thanks for taking the time out for me, I really do appreciate it, epsecially within a civil manner!


I understand your point. However, I thought according to evolutionist man is millions of years old. How long does it take?




GC/DEA_AGENT

[Government_Controlled]

Rapidly reproducing organisms like bacteria that are easily subjected to changing environments through human intervention can be observed for "evolutionary changes". An understanding of evolutionary processes is necessary in modern medicine because of the ability of bacteria to adapt to antibiotics.

But they still end up bacteria, right? Or did the bacteria evolve into something else/kind?




DEA_AGENT

[liberalismo]

Haider, here is my conclusion of my studies of evoultion vs creation from some years ago. And would like for you and Necroisis to analyize it, and let me know what's in error as well as what has changed in the study of evoultion. I really would like your input. No kidding!  




Predictions of        Predictions of        Facts as Found in
Evolution Model     Creation Model        the Real World
---------------  ---------------      -------------------


________________________ ________________________ ___________            
Life evolved from     Life comes only       (1) Life comes only
nonlife by chance    from previous life;    from previous life;
chemical evolution   originally created     (2) no way to form
(spontaneous          by an intelligent      complex genetic code
generation)             Creator                  by chance
________________________ ________________________ ___________
Fossils should show:  Fossils should show:   Fossils show:
(1) simple life           (1) complex forms      (1) sudden appearance
forms originating       suddenly appearing    of complex life in
gradually;                in great variety;        great variety;
(2) transitional         (2) gaps separating    (2) each new kind
forms linking            major kinds; no          separate from
previous ones          linking forms              previous kinds;no linking forms
________________________ ________________________ ___________                                            
New kinds arising     No new kinds              No new kinds
gradually;               gradually appearing;    gradually appearing,
beginnings of          no incomplete bones    although many
incomplete bones     or organs, but all        varieties; no
and organs in          parts completely         incompletely formed
various transitional   formed                      bones or organs
stages
________________________ ________________________ ___________
Mutations: net        Mutations harmful to    Small mutations
result beneficial;     complex life; do           harmful, large ones
generate new         not result in                lethal; never result
features                anything new               in anything new
________________________ ________________________ ___________  
Origin of                 Civilization                    Civilization
civilization              contemporaneous with    appears with man;
gradual, arising out  man; complex to            any cave dwellers
of crude, brutish      begin with                    were contemporary
beginnings                                                with civilization
________________________ ________________________ ____________
Language evolved      Language                    Language
from simple animal      contemporaneous with  contemporaneous with
sounds into complex   man; ancient               man; ancient ones
modern languages      languages complex        often more complex
                              and complete               than modern
________________________ ________________________ ____________
Appearance of man    Appearance of man        Oldest written
millions of years        about 6,000 years          records date back
ago                        ago                              only about 5,000
                                                               years
________________________ ________________________ ____________

Essentially all of your "in the real world" is wrong. The last one is right, but it doesn't disagree with Evolution since humans didn't always have writing, and especially not non-homo sapiens.

[ToxicAvenger]

Evolution is a process of changing to adapt to surroundings...

you mistakingly assume that there is an end goal...the process in itself dictates that there is no end goal....

we aren't evolving into a more perfect godlike state....we r merely adapting to a changing environment...whatever that change may be

[Necrosis]

Essentially all of your "in the real world" is wrong. The last one is right, but it doesn't disagree with Evolution since humans didn't always have writing, and especially not non-homo sapiens.

pretty much all his predictions of the creation model make no sense, why does the creation model predict only harmful mutations? what predictions can you make about somethign you can know nothing about. Also, why would the prediction life comes from life be correct? wouldn't the creator keep creating, why does he create the first but leave propogation to evolution? Seems like the opposite would be true.


also, where does this creator create, who is the creator, where does he live, how does he create etc... you cannot make predictions without testable hypothesis. Mere conjecture in that chart.