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WEC 41
« on: June 07, 2009, 08:18:28 PM »
Following a disappointing 33-second submission loss to Josh Grispi at Sunday's "WEC 41: Brown vs. Faber II" event, MMA legend Jens Pulver essentially called it quits on his 10-year mixed-martial-arts career.

While stopping short of officially announcing his retirement, Pulver gave several indications that he won't be returning to the cage for any future fights.

Pulver, the first lightweight champion in UFC history, has lost four consecutive fights and six of his past seven.

Following the loss via guillotine choke, which opened the live Versus broadcast from ARCO Arena in Sacramento, Calif., Pulver praised his opponent and hinted that Grispi is the type of fighter who's since caught up with and even passed MMA's early legends.

"A lot of people didn't know who he was, but I did," Pulver said of his opponent in a post-fight interview. "I knew what kind of talent he was. A long time ago, I remember saying, 'There's kids out there in sixth grade right now watching me pave the way for them, and one day, they're going to be coming out here, and I hope I only get the opportunity to fight them and be in front of this.' And I've had that chance."

The near-capacity crowd immediately sensed what Pulver was hinting at and rose to its feet to cheer on the 34-year-old fighter.

Pulver (22-12-1), a decorated collegiate wrestler who graduated from the underground fight scene to a professional MMA debut at the Bas Rutten Invitational event series, joined the UFC in 1999 and fought Alfonso Alcarez to a draw at UFC 22. However, he'd soon find his stride and become one of the organization's top stars. He won the UFC lightweight belt in 2001 but would relinquish the title to fight overseas.

Pulver returned to the UFC in 2007 to coach opposite rival B.J. Penn on the fifth season of "The Ultimate Fighter." However, after a loss to Penn in the show's live finale, Pulver headed to the WEC, the UFC's sister promotion, but he had little success after dropping to the featherweight division. After opening his WEC stint with a win over Cub Swanson, he suffered a unanimous-decision loss to then-WEC featherweight champ Urijah Faber. It was the start of his current four-fight losing streak.

Pulver, whose abusive childhood was detailed in his acclaimed autobiography "Little Evil," eventually hooked up with Bob Shamrock, a father figure to troubled fighters. Shamrock set up a fight team in California, where Pulver trained before an eventual move to Pat Miletich's team in Iowa.

Pulver, fighting in Sacramento, acknowledged Shamrock after his latest loss.

"Thank God to you Bob Shamrock," he said. "I know I hope you're feeling a lot better. I started right here, and I'm not going to be that guy who keeps saying he's retiring. But I think I just ended where I started. I love all you guys.

"This has been an incredible run. And I'm not saying I'm done yet, but it's been incredible. ... I'm going to tell you guys, thank you for making an old man feel good."

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WEC 41: Mike Brown vs. Urijah Faber - Live Results and Commentary
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2009, 08:35:06 PM »
The Versus broadcast has started.  First fight up shortly.

Josh Grispi vs. Jens Pulver - Round 1 -Pulver with a body kick and now Grispi with one of his own and a right hand.  Pulcer with a takedown and lands right in a deep arm-in guillotine and despite putting up a valiant fight Pulver is forced to tap out.  He is heartbroken as is the norm these days.  Josh Grispi wins by submission (guillotine choke), round 1.

Jens says that he started there and wants to retire there so he said he is done.  It's time honestly, the crowd gives him a great reaction.  Good for Jens.  Actually now he says he may not be done but it sounds like he is.  We'll see.

James Krause vs. Donald Cerrone - 30 minutes in, we've had 30 seconds of fights and we're about to go to a pre-fight commercial. (36 minutes in and the fight starts)  Round 1 - Body kick from Cerrone and Krause tries for a takedown but Cerrone avoids.  Now a takedown by Krause.  Cerrone with a triangle attempt into an omoplata but can't get it.  Another takedown by Krause and Cerrone with an omoplata again, this one is much deeper and Krause rolls out and pulls guard.  Ground and pound from Cerrone now.  Krause works a sub but cant get it, then uses a leg lock attempt to sweep and they're back to standing.  High kick from Krause misses.  James looks like he is gassing a little bit here.  Cerrone with a few punches.  Single leg attempt from Krause and now Cerrone grabs a guillotine but lets go and lands a knee.  Left, right combo drops Krause.  Cerrone takes his back now and is working to finish with a choke.  Abandons it and starts to work strikes fromt he back.  Back to the choke and it is deep, forcing Krause to tap out.  Donald Cerrone wins by submission (rear naked choke), round 1.

Scott Jorgensen vs. Antonio Banuelos  - Undercard action here.  Round 1- Banuelos with some big shots and Jorgensen is hurt badly.  Now a takedown by Banuelos.  Jorgensen stands up but eats some punches in the process.  Jorgensen keeps wincing for some reason.  More big shots from Antonio whenever Scott throws one.  Banuelos connecting again with big combinations and he looks really sharp.  Jorgensen with a nice knee to the body and the round ends.  10-9 Banuelos on the bloodyelbow scorecard.  Round 2 - Another right hand from Banuelos who is featuring some really good hand speed.  Banuelos drops his head down and almost gets caught in a choke but he is fine.  Jorgensen with a flurry of uppercuts but Banuelos gets space and lands another right hand. Right hand, right uppercut from Scott lands flush.  A few more flurries but Jorgensen is starting to catch up a little bit.  Two punch combo finished with a body kick.  Another few punches as the round ends and it was a closer round.  10-9 Banuelos for a total of 20-18 for me.  Round 3 - They're trading shots.  Banuelos goes for a single leg and almost gets caught in a guillotine but circles out and they're back to standing.  Jorgensen lands and now a left and right from Banuelos.  This is a really good fight.  Banuelos is slowing down and Jorgensen is landing more now.  Huge knee from Jorgensen and now a big right from Antonio.  They exchange and both men land repeatedly.  Scramble now and Jorgensen has Banuelos' back.  Now sinks in the choke for a second but couldn't finish it.  Banuelos stands up with 35 seconds remaining.  Single leg and Jorgensen is on top.  Banuelos is bleeding and the fight is over.  10-9 round for Jorgensen and I have it 29-28 Banuelos.  Official Scorecards: 29-28 Banuelos, 29-28 Jorgensen, 29-28 Banuelos.  Antonio Banuelos wins by split decision.  Absolutely great fight.  Awesome, awesome stuff.

Jose Aldo vs. Cub Swanson - Round 1 - Um...flying knee from Aldo and Swanson is down.  A few more punches and it's all over.  10 second KO there.  Jose Aldo wins by KO, round 1.  ...yikes.  Dude is a finisher.

Rolando Perez vs. Seth Dikun - More undercard action.  Round 1  - Dikun jumps into a triangle early in the round.  Finally after a long period in the choke Perez was forced to tap out.  Seth Dikun wins by submission (triangle choke), round 1.

Mike Campbell vs. Anthony Pettis- Round 1 - Pettis grabs a deep guillotine and Campbell slams to get out of it, so Pettis grabs an armbar but again Campgell escapes.  Finally Pettis is able to force a tap.  Anthony Pettis wins by submission, round 1.

Mike Brown vs. Urijah Faber for the WEC Featherweight Championship - Round 1 - Body kick misses for Faber.  High kick now that misses as Brown is trying to close distance.  Brown gets underhooks as they clinch up.  Elbow by Brown and he separates.  High kick by Faber lands.  Quick two punch combo by Faber now.  Left hook lands for Brown (who is cut) and Faber almost grabs a guillotine but Brown is in side control.  Brown gets the back but Faber stands up.  Now Brown is landing knees from standing back control.  Overhand right from Brown.  Both men hit right hands.  High kick by Faber and Brown sweeps his leg out from under him.  Brown on top in side control.  Faber gets to his knees and Brown starts landing shots as they stand up.  10-9 round for Faber but it was very close.  Round 2- Brown flurries with Faber against the fence and lands some good shots.  Right hand from Brown and he takes Faber down.  Elbows the ribs now.  Elbow to the face.  Brown just working to control the ground fight.  They stand and Brown lands shots from standing back control and gets another takedown.  Faber reverses and they're back to standing still with Faber's back pushed against the cage.  Really good fight so far.  Right hand by Urijah lands.  Jab by Brown.  Left hook by Mike.  Standing back control for Brown and an uppercut lands for him as they separate.  10-9 round fro Brown evens up the fight on my card.  Round 3 - Body shot by Faber lands.  Elbow by Faber and they go to the ground with Brown looking for a guillotine.  It forces Urijah to give up position and now Faber gives his back up.  Brown is just landing punches now but Faber stands up.  Knee for Faber lands.  Left hand by Faber is blocked.  Clinching against the cage again and as they go to the ground Faber briefly is on top.  Now Brown grabs a heel hook but they stand up again.  Faber may have a broken right hand.  Right hand by Brown catches Faber as he threw a leg kick.  Faber is only working elbows now and his left hand may be broken as well.  The round ends and I have it 10-9 for Brown again making it 29-28 Brown.  Round 4 - They played between rounds audio of Faber saying his hand is broken.  Right hand by Brown now.  Flurry of uppercuts in the clinch by Brown.  Punches land for Brown and Urijah looks hurt (and is throwing open hand strikes).  They're slowing down as both guys are tired.  Elbows by Urijah in the clinch.  Body shot by Brown hurts Faber now and he backs up.  Brown is starting to take over the round a little here in the last 2 minutes.  Faber is hampered by the broken hand so he just can't use all the tools he wants to.   10-9 Brown to make it 39-37 on my card.  Round 5 - Jab by Brown.  Body kick by Faber.  Takedown by Brown.  Mike now takes the back but Faber stands up again.  Left hook by Brown.  Brown is pushing Faber against the fence.  Urijah tries for a guillotine but gets slammed.  Brown with a few punches on the ground and they go back to standing.  Left hook lands again fro Brown.  Brown ducks under and elbow and gets a takedown.  Again Faber gives up his back and stands up.  Brown still has his back standing.  Oh my god! Faber grabs a deep choke with about two minutes left but he has to let go.  Back to standing and Brown has him against the fence.  Brown with a nice double-leg that should clinch the round for him.  Elbow by Faber and time expires.  10-9 Brown again and I had it 49-46.  It'd take robbery for this to not be a win for Brown.  Official Scorecards: 49-46 x2, 48-47.  Mike Brown wins by unanimous decision.

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that kid is the real deal, mike brown if i where you id enjoy that belt while you have it. aldo blasted cub with a knee from hell, that was highlight reel stuff right there. aldo will be a champ by early 2010 or late 2009, you heard it here first guys
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Re: jose aldo is a very impressive fighter (SPOILER)
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2009, 08:28:20 AM »
that kid is the real deal, mike brown if i where you id enjoy that belt while you have it. aldo blasted cub with a knee from hell, that was highlight reel stuff right there. aldo will be a champ by early 2010 or late 2009, you heard it here first guys

I've saying that about this guy ever since he mauled Pequeno Noguiera, I had been calling him the Anderson Silva of 145, but the way Anderson has been fighting lately that would be a disservice to Aldo.  Brown will put up a better fight than any of his previous opponents though, i'm curious to see how Aldo will deal with Browns wrestling and sub defense.  If Brown's smart he'll make this a Lay n Pray strategy.  When I talked to Aldo in CC (through his interpreter)  he said once he conquered the 145ers, he'd be headed to 155. 
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Re: jose aldo is a very impressive fighter (SPOILER)
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2009, 10:07:39 AM »
That knee was brutal.  It opened a gash over and under Cub's eye.  Any have any pics of the damage?  They only showed it for a split second on the broadcast...
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Cool Mike Brown Interview (Spoiler)
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 10:29:20 AM »
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WEC payouts
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 11:57:25 AM »
WEC 41 ‘Brown vs. Faber 2’ Payouts

Jens Pulver -- $31,253
Manny Gamburyan -- $26,960 (includes $14,000 win bonus)
Urijah Faber -- $25,790
Mike Thomas Brown -- $25,256 (includes $13,000 win bonus)
Donald Cerrone -- $17,682.54 (includes $9,000 win bonus)
Jose Aldo -- $17,625 (includes $11,000 win bonus)
Josh Grispi -- $17,381 (includes $9,000 win bonus)
Antonio Banuelos -- $9,840 (includes $5,000 win bonus)
Cub Swanson -- $8,940
Scott Jorgensen -- $5,530
Frank Gomez -- $3,962.41 (includes $2,000 won bonus)
Seth Dikun -- $3,940 (includes $2,000 win bonus)
Rafael Rebello -- $3,650 (includes $2,000 win bonus)
Anthony Pettis -- $3,302.10 (includes $2,000 win bonus)
John Franchi -- $3,108
Mike Campbell -- $2,950
Rolando Perez -- $2,890
Noah Thomas -- $2,350
Kyle Dietz -- $1,840
James Krause -- $1,692

Note: These numbers, sent to Sherdog.com by the California State Athletic Commission, represent disclosed pay only.
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Re: WEC payouts
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 12:19:52 PM »
lol.  After 4 straight losses, Jens is stil making more than Uriah & Brown.
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Jens can either retire or continue to lose.  He's losing fast to, it's not like he's taking all these guys the distance.  He's been figured out and as he's aged, his explosiveness has tapered off.

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jens made my eyes get alittle teary after that speech, its hard not to love jens
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Re: WEC payouts
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2009, 10:53:54 PM »
lol.  After 4 straight losses, Jens is stil making more than Uriah & Brown.

i thought the same thing as soon as i saw the $$$$ payouts
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Re: jose aldo is a very impressive fighter (SPOILER)
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2009, 06:14:40 AM »
I figured Cub would lose that fight, but not like that. Aldo is a bad man, but we have seen this in the past, young guy does great but folds under pressure at the BIG SHOW! Brown did a great job against Urijah, but the broken hand was a little blessing.. I don't know how much I believe in Brown as the champ (or should I say in his staying power at champ) but I would love to see Also vs. Brown or Aldo vs the CA KID!

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Re: Cool Mike Brown Interview (Spoiler)
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2009, 06:16:28 AM »
Great interview guy is a humble man. I love how he said he isn't on his couch scoring the fight! LIKE RANDY HAS SAID NEVER LEAVE IT IN THE HANDS OF THE JUDGES!

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jens made my eyes get alittle teary after that speech, its hard not to love jens

X2 Jens is the definition of a sportsman, humble in victory the same as defeat. He did make the most out of anyone on the card. Which leads me to believe that was his last fight and it was a thank you paycheck for everything he has done for WEC and UFC. I would love to see him move back to Boise and start a school up here, but there are bigger cities with more money to be made.

He is still one of my favorite fighters and win or lose I will always be a huge fan of Jen PULVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: WEC payouts
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2009, 06:43:43 AM »
Just goes to show that WEC and  UFC have a ton of respect for JENS! I would say it was also a gift saying thank you for all the hard work over the years and I doubt he will be the top paid fighter on another card if he doesnt retire. I would love to see him join the broadcast team for WEC!

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CUb Swanson's Eye after eatin a KNEE!
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2009, 06:46:20 AM »
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I suppose it was inevitable, but some are suggesting in the wake of last night's fantastic WEC 41 main event between Mike Brown and Urijah Faber that the broken right hand (and undetermined left hand injury) of Faber was the difference maker in last night's affair. Specifically, that Faber likely would've won had it not been for the injury. There are several major problems with this analysis, so let's unpack them here:

1. Historical precedence. The first and most notable problem with the idea that Faber's hand is an excuse for the loss is that it doesn't cohere with how these types of injuries affect outcomes in professional MMA. The reality is that hand breaks are very common and often fighters in high pressure situations (e.g. title fights) still find themselves with no alternative but to fight on. The examples of this are endless. The night before WEC 41, Joe Riggs continued to fight Phil Baroni despite cleanly breaking both hands. Let's not forget Rich Franklin broke his hand (the hand itself, not the fingers) against David Loiseau yet not only won the fight, but continued to punch with the broken hand for the remainder of his five round fight.

And for real grit and determination, it's worth observing Arthur Abraham managed to overcome a game Edison Miranda (in the video above) despite incredible unluckiness and malfeasance from Miranada. Oh yeah, and he fought with his jaw broken...in two places:

On September 23, 2006, Abraham won a decision against undefeated contender Edison Miranda despite having his jaw broken in two places. Miranda was deducted five points by landing repeated low blows as well as intentionally headbutting Abraham in the 5th round. After the Miranda bout, he was praised for his ability to finish the fight despite his injury.

3. Predicting the counter conditional likelihood. So let's say the hand was never broken. Would the fight have been closer? Most likely. Would Faber have won? Could be. But the reality is that we simply don't know. It's easy to assume Faber's speed and lateral movement would've allowed him to edge out a decision, but perhaps it gave Faber confidence to exchange in Brown's range enough to get dropped. Or maybe Brown decides he didn't want to get picked apart anymore and takes Faber to mat only to hit a head and arm triangle. In other words, we are permitted to acknowledge Faber's injury hampered his effort and, to some extent, affected the outcome. But to what specific extent, we do not and cannot know. It is quite literally impossible to say what, specifically, the hand injury meant to the outcome other than it clearly made matters more difficult for Faber. But it is logically impossible to point to the injury so plainly in a fight where the sheer volume of variables affecting the outcome are in play. You cannot isolate this instance, significant though it may be, as the clear and obvious game changer. We can reasonably speculate, but we simply don't know how the fight would've played out without the injury.

4. Brown nullfiying Faber's wrestling and grappling. The most overlooked aspect of the bout was that Faber was essentially trapped after the hand injury. In both the wrestling and positional control grappling domains, Brown positively shut Faber down. Yes, Faber was able to escape, but only after getting his guard passed, back taken or threatened with several submissions. Moreover, Brown accrued the MMA equivalent of "riding time" by focing Faber into defensive maneuvers over elapsed time. That meant Faber had very little choice except to keep the fight standing. Unfortunately for Faber, his broken hand made standing with Brown not much of a situational improvement. But that's Faber's cross to bear, not Brown's.

Now, had this bout been contested under IFL rules where elbows on the ground were not allowed, I'd have to rethink this position a little. Structural impediments to winning would change the equation somewhat, but the reality is that Faber has very good ground and pound with elbows on top. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Faber either broke or came very close to breaking Joe Pearson's face with an elbow from top control. Faber is also excellent at pulling out of whizzers and underhooks to create a lane for an in-line elbow both standing and in top control. In reality, those tools were all available to Faber, but Brown's dominance on the ground made the use of them exceptionally difficult to come by. Injury or not, that's Brown's handiwork, not Faber's lack of luck.

My hat goes off to both fighters and I give Faber enormous amounts of credit for trying to fight through a very difficult and painful injury. I do not judge him in anyway remotely negative for not being able to win given the seemingly insurmountable odds. Given all he had to contend with, Faber has nothing to be ashamed of and everything to be proud of. But I also do not deny Brown his very legitimate win. The MMA Mistress is often times fickle and unfair, but that's the risk every fighter assumes by being a part of this chaotic, violent affair. The reality is that in meaningful, pivotal fights (or when the fighter chooses), the expectation to fight through offensively debilitating conditions is not misplaced.



It's not that hand injuries don't complicate game plans or reduce fighters' ability to function in the cage. They clearly do and, of course, the hand injuries to Faber were a factor in the loss. But we cannot offer a complete pass in this instance. It is understandable that such an injury would make defeating Brown far more difficult, but it does not allow his fans or supporters to suggest the injury is the chief determinant in the loss. While normally considered outrageous to perform athletically with such an injury, fighting with broken hands or other extremities is a requirement not really made of athletes in other sports. Fight sport, however, is unforgiving and punishing and we are not wrong to look to a fighter to persevere despite the debilitating condition (particularly in title fights). We cannot blame a fighter for being unable to win with such an injury, but we are permitted to expect him or her to adapt despite the setback. More on this later.

2. Acceptance of significant injury. The lust for blood by callous fans should now and every time be eschewed. But there are times in fight sport when we permitted to ask fighters to gut through injury conditions that inhibit their ability to perform. Specifically, title fights or other pivotal, career defining moments. It is not a lust for violence and carnage, but rather, the recognition that these seminal moments in this sport are few and far between, and that while assuredly unfair and uncomfortable, it is permissible to expect a fighter to find a way to win even with serious setbacks (to say nothing of the "it's the challenger's job to beat the champ" ideology). We have both historical precedent of fighters winning in major fights with similar or worse injuries and the recognition that the requirements of victory in MMA often call for physical exceptionalism. More than almost any sport, MMA demands of its competitors - particularly at the highest levels - a sacrifice of the body that can often seem outrageous by other sporting standards. But this isn't baseball or basketball; this is fight sport. The culture of toughness and durability in the name of victory has always been and will continue to be far more onerous in this sport than others. Tacitly or not, fighters have entered into this culture when they let the cage door shut behind them. We have to keep a humane perspective and remind ourselves fighters who could not win because they have broken hands are not weak or incapable. Far from it. They are human. But we must also remember the path to winning in MMA is often blazed through a trail of unspeakable pain by ordinary human standards. It's an onerous burden fighters have to shoulder, but its the one they entered into.


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Re: CUb Swanson's Eye after eatin a KNEE!
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2009, 09:07:38 AM »
He actually ate a double flying knee, one opened up that gash and he had on his brow and the other opened a smaller one under his eye.
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Re: WEC payouts
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2009, 10:07:22 AM »
Just goes to show that WEC and  UFC have a ton of respect for JENS! I would say it was also a gift saying thank you for all the hard work over the years and I doubt he will be the top paid fighter on another card if he doesnt retire. I would love to see him join the broadcast team for WEC!

true.  A lot of guys that helped build the popularity of MMA and the UFC never got a good payday. 
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imo i thought faber would have edged out the decision if he wasnt injured, he made brown look slow. the only advantage brown has is his wrestling takedowns, other then that urijah is the more techniqual fighter imo. i felt robbed in that fight cause of the unfortunate situation of urijahs hands, what a let down. it was like having to pull out just before you blast your load
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Jens Pulver needs the paycheck
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2009, 08:09:30 PM »
After getting choked out in 30 seconds by Josh ‘Crispy’ Grispy (a finish ironically close to the one Pulver dealt out to Cub Swanson in his only WEC win), many assumed Jens was done with fighting. You could tell from his reaction that he was shocked at how he’d lost, and he even tried to retire in the cage before the announcer essentially kept him from making any rash decisions.

And it looks like that was a good thing, because even if Jens wanted to retire, he’s not really capable of doing it yet:

“You guys have to understand, I don’t make six figures a year. You see me on TV, that don’t mean squat,” said Pulver, who banked just over $30,000 for his efforts on Sunday. “This is my job. My house is $156,000 living in Iowa. I got a 1999 Rodeo. Right now I gotta fight because that’s my job. This is the field I want to be in.”

Pulver said the fans in California told him not to quit:

“The keyboard warriors, they’ll write me off and say ‘he’s done, he’s done.’ But I just sat there with all the fans of Sacramento and they all pretty much told me ‘you’re not done.’”

This was Jens Pulver’s fourth loss in a row and he’s gone 1-6 since returning to the Zuffa fold. Ya know Dana and the gang love him but we’re still talking about guys who shelved Chuck Liddell because they decided he was done. I don’t expect to see anyone forced to retire in this case but I also can’t see them letting Jens keep going in the WEC if he can’t even keep things competitive any more. He’s got one more fight in the WEC to turn things around … if he’s lucky.


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Mike Brown vs. Jose Aldo? Hold Your Horses
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2009, 08:14:07 PM »
Greg Savage explains the conflicts, both with scheduling and fighter prioritization:

WEC has guaranteed Versus Network eight events this year. Two still need main events. One headliner should be a 135-pound title fight between the winner of Miguel Torres vs. Brian Bowles and the winner of Joseph Benavidez vs. Dominick Cruz. Brown’s next defense and lightweight champion Jamie Varner’s return should round out the schedule, but it’s a matter of fitting the pieces of the puzzle together.

A Jamie Varner-Donald Cerrone rematch for the lightweight strap is one roadblock to Brown-Aldo happening in September. Varner’s availability is still not known for the late summer date, but if he is ready to go, it would be very unfair to everyone involved -- Varner, Cerrone and the fans -- if the lightweight fight wasn’t made.

Another potential barrier to a Brown-Aldo title fight could come from within Aldo’s camp. Wagnney Fabiano is higher ranked than Aldo, his younger teammate, in most polls and could find himself blocked if Aldo were to snatch the title away from Brown.

I'm not so sure you can't double dip with two title fights on one night, although the television scheduling of that can get dicey if both fights go into championships rounds or a decision. Savage suggests skipping the fight altogether with Aldo dropping to 135lbs and eventually taking on Miguel Torres. That wouldn't be my first choice as the WEC featherweight division is really starting to grow some teeth, but given the constraints of the situation it may be all they have.


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Re: Jens Pulver needs the paycheck
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2009, 03:48:26 AM »
i like the guy, but it's just not worth seeing him fight anymore.  He reached his peak and I don't see him winning any major fights in the near future.  It sucks that he has bills, but we all do.  I wonder how much of his 30k went to trainers, etc.  I will see him fight becuase i like the guy, but I see him more as a filler fight on mediocre to some-what decent fight fight cards.

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imo i thought faber would have edged out the decision if he wasnt injured, he made brown look slow. the only advantage brown has is his wrestling takedowns, other then that urijah is the more techniqual fighter imo. i felt robbed in that fight cause of the unfortunate situation of urijahs hands, what a let down. it was like having to pull out just before you blast your load

I'm sure Faber appreciates that, and the fact that you didn't blast your load on his hands.   ;D

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Re: Jens Pulver needs the paycheck
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2009, 06:29:52 AM »
Jens is done!  I like the guy and don't wanna thing of him as the next Ken Shamrock.  He may need the money, but he's losing his marketability.  I guarantee you Dana would agree.