If someone were to juice just to reach his natural limit, would he keep his

[Deicide]

gains after discontinuing?

Example.

Guy at 174cm and 65kg and 10bf% juices for another 12kg (theoretically possible within the natural range) and then discontinues. Would he keep all or most of his gains?

[Mars]

experience shows that people who juiced since day 1 also fall back drastically.

[Spike]

prob have to keep his diet in check

protein and quality calories to retain LBM.....unless he got lazy and stopped training/eatin

[chainsaw]

No you won't.  I have an RX for testosterone,
and if I don't do my injection once a week, I lose
my appetite, and I lack motivation. 

However, don't ever let anyone tell you low doses
of Test are not helpful,  Unless you are a pro,

200mg or 400mg of test a week will give you great long
term gains, just takes longer, and if youre test levels are (normal)
than you will retain more in the long run than people who blast their systems.

[dan18]

No you won't.  I have an RX for testosterone,
and if I don't do my injection once a week, I lose
my appetite, and I lack motivation. 

However, don't ever let anyone tell you low doses
of Test are not helpful,  Unless you are a pro,

200mg or 400mg of test a week will give you great long
term gains, just takes longer, and if youre test levels are (normal)
than you will retain more in the long run than people who blast their systems.

how old are you or is that a gene defect

[kiwiol]

gains after discontinuing?

Example.

Guy at 174cm and 65kg and 10bf% juices for another 12kg (theoretically possible within the natural range) and then discontinues. Would he keep all or most of his gains?

With that kind of gains and those numbers, that person could retain a lot of it by being fairly consistent with their diet and lifting post-cycle.

[Deicide]

With that kind of gains and those numbers, that person could retain a lot of it by being fairly consistent with their diet and lifting post-cycle.

Good, because long term I think that is a plan for me.

Team Horrible Genetics approved

[Boost]

Good, because long term I think that is a plan for me.

Team Horrible Genetics approved

All I can see for you is gyno and horrible acne if you decide to juice.

You're the kinda guy who has the bodytype that would be plagued by horrendous side effects.

[Deicide]

All I can see for you is gyno and horrible acne if you decide to juice.

You're the kinda guy who has the bodytype that would be plauged by horrendous side effects.

It used to be funny Boost but it has long ceased to be . You really need a new routine. BTW, I think you are a member of Team Horrible Genetics, no?

Team Horrible Genetics approved

[kiwiol]

Good, because long term I think that is a plan for me.

Team Horrible Genetics approved

You = incredible genetics for realizing the fact that genetics = everything.

[Boost]

It used to be funny Boost but it has long ceased to be . You really need a new routine. BTW, I think you are a member of Team Horrible Genetics, no?

Team Horrible Genetics approved

I'm pretty happy with this routine thanks.

I rate my genetics a 6/10

Ronnie, Levrone, Wheeler would be 10/10

[Deicide]

I'm pretty happy with this routine thanks.

I rate my genetics a 6/10

Ronnie, Levrone, Wheeler would be 10/10

Pics or bullshit.

Team Horrible Genetics approved

[Tapeworm]

Whoa there.  Gain 12kg and maybe it's true muscle, maybe it's not.  On test a lot will probably be bloat depending on E levels.  Hell, erythropoiesis might even add a lb or two.  Then you've got the risk of low post cycle T levels and muscle loss.  The main issue is the illusion of bloat tho.

[MCWAY]

gains after discontinuing?

Example.

Guy at 174cm and 65kg and 10bf% juices for another 12kg (theoretically possible within the natural range) and then discontinues. Would he keep all or most of his gains?

A 5'8", 143-lb guy's LEAST CONCERN should be steroids. It should be FOOD (and lots of it). And, you certainly DO NOT need anabolics to put on an extra 27 lbs.

[chainsaw]

how old are you or is that a gene defect

I'm 39 and register 209 when normal in the blood is 250-900, something like that.

[Per Se]

gains after discontinuing?

Example.

Guy at 174cm and 65kg and 10bf% juices for another 12kg (theoretically possible within the natural range) and then discontinues. Would he keep all or most of his gains?

OMG, you again.   

[dov]

LOL at this thread title....juice and natural limits ...most likely, anything attained from juice WILL be lost w/o it...that's why it's usually a never ending cycle, which leads to a world of depression and major delusion

[scrawndog]

I have done a handful of cycles in my lifetime.  The most recent ones were real safe stuff like primo, anavar, etc.. where you are suppose to keep your gains afterwards.  Its total nonsense - you eventually lose everything.  Thats why roids are a total waste in the long run unless you plan on cycling your entire life. You may keep most of your gains for a month or so maybe longer depending on how long you were on and what you were taking but eventually something happens to you to miss a week of eating/training (injury/flu) and your screwed.     

[Croatch]

I have done a handful of cycles in my lifetime.  The most recent ones were real safe stuff like primo, anavar, etc.. where you are suppose to keep your gains afterwards.  Its total nonsense - you eventually lose everything.  Thats why roids are a total waste in the long run unless you plan on cycling your entire life. You may keep most of your gains for a month or so maybe longer depending on how long you were on and what you were taking but eventually something happens to you to miss a week of eating/training (injury/flu) and your screwed.    

Lookout everyone, this guy has 6 posts.  So CERTAINLY knows his stuff..hahahah

[elite_lifter]

If you stay consistent as I have done for 14 years and have a solid base, you will lose some strength post cycle but you can maintain your size close to what it was on gear, at least that is my experience.