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Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« on: June 10, 2009, 04:32:55 AM »
According to Pro Wresling Insider, there was some serious drug testing at Raw this past weekend and at the house shows. They will be announcing some major suspensions in the next coming days. I have a funny feeling that Umaga was released because of this. He was caught using HGH already through the signiture pharmacy scandal and I find it funny how Batista is suddenly "injured" and will miss a couple of months. Something is definately up and WWE will never trash their major stars or money makers in public over a dirty urine sample....see article below...

As we reported earlier, the WWE creative team has already been given a list of wrestlers not to write ideas for as they will be unavailable for the foreseeable future, starting with next Monday's three-hour episode of Raw. Dave Meltzer is stating that the company will indeed be suspending some main roster talent within the next few days. Drug testing took place at shows over the weekend, in addition to yesterday's Raw.

Further confirming that some suspensions will be taking place is that it is standard company protocol for head officials to inform creative that certain performers will not be available for the foreseeable future. This fact was publicly disclosed by World Wrestling Entertainment in Henry Waxman's report concerning steroids in professional wrestling released this past January.

Although, there is a lot of skepticism among many in WWE these days in regards to how the company is handling drug test violations. Since the fall of 2007, the official policy on drug test failures has been to publicly announce all failures no matter what, but internally, some believe the company isn't completely abiding by its own set of rules.

As noted earlier today, of the four confirmed developmental releases within the past two days (Lupe Viscara, Jon Cutler, Dakota "Maverick" Darsow and Kafu), two were reportedly let go as a result of drug test failures. It is rather peculiar that WWE officials opted against publicly outing the violators when it is company policy to do so.

Early last year, WWE announced the suspensions of developmental wrestlers Derrick Neikirk and Neil "Chet the Jet" Bzibziak, releasing them shortly thereafter. At least in this case, the company appears to be circumventing its own set of rules by quietly releasing talent so more unwanted negative attention isn't drawn to WWE concerning drug use amongst its wrestlers — especially due to little known minor league talent when the company is adamantly trying to clean up its image. Had they not terminated the violators in question, they would have had no choice but to publicly announce their respective suspensions, hence the quiet releases, which apparently is WWE's new way of getting around the policy.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009, 05:58:48 AM »
... I find it funny how Batista is suddenly "injured" and will miss a couple of months. Something is definately up and WWE will never trash their major stars or money makers in public over a dirty urine sample...

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Something I don’t understand is this:
If the above speculation is true, then...

It’s all private testing done by WWE.
So why oust one of your biggest stars (Batista) if no one else is going to see the doping results…
…unless they have to report those results to some committee?

Or could an athletic committee do random spot checks of talent, and maybe they want Dave to clean out his system before one of these possible checks?
Then it would look really bad for Vince if it's discovered that he's letting talent slip through the proverbial crack accidentally/on purpose.

I’m just wondering how “internal” this process is because it could be very easy to fudge the results – think “Olympia.”

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2009, 06:30:09 AM »
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Something I don’t understand is this:
If the above speculation is true, then...

It’s all private testing done by WWE.
So why oust one of your biggest stars (Batista) if no one else is going to see the doping results…
…unless they have to report those results to some committee?

Or could an athletic committee do random spot checks of talent, and maybe they want Dave to clean out his system before one of these possible checks?
Then it would look really bad for Vince if it's discovered that he's letting talent slip through the proverbial crack accidentally/on purpose.

I’m just wondering how “internal” this process is because it could be very easy to fudge the results – think “Olympia.”

Well put it this way...Hogan for years had Howard Finkle (the long time ring announcer) piss in a cup for him when drug testing started shortly after The George Zahorian trial. Hogans real urine test was kept at titan head quarters strickly in McMahon's office. The WWE (NBA, NHL or MLB for that matter) will never disclose the results and tarnish the big money making stars unless they are under EXTREME scrutiny and have no choice but to so they can save their asses.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2009, 07:34:01 AM »
I wonder if they have a slightly extended 'normal' range for the test results?  Because there is no way HHH, Cena, Batista, etc would pass a regular drug test.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2009, 07:36:29 AM »
I wonder if they have a slightly extended 'normal' range for the test results?  Because there is no way HHH, Cena, Batista, etc would pass a regular drug test.
There are a lot of big users. Cena, HHH, Batista being the major ones. They are the $$$$ of the company and will be treated with double standards and the company WILL do anything / everything possible to cover them up.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2009, 07:40:38 AM »
There are a lot of big users. Cena, HHH, Batista being the major ones. They are the $$$$ of the company and will be treated with double standards and the company WILL do anything / everything possible to cover them up.

I'm just wondering what range they use?  Let's say the average test range is 50-150 (can't be bothered to find out what it actually is, before anyone chimes in), are the WWE testing Cena, getting a result of 400 and just saying, oh well, that's normal.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2009, 07:58:28 AM »
Lol if they really are suspending all the positive tests, we can look foward to a Hornswoggle, Jesse, Jamie Noble triple threat for the WWE title.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2009, 08:01:02 AM »
Lol if they really are suspending all the positive tests, we can look foward to a Hornswoggle, Jesse, Jamie Noble triple threat for the WWE title.

It's probably only a matter of time before that frigging leprechaun gets a shot at it.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2009, 08:02:01 AM »
Lol if they really are suspending all the positive tests, we can look foward to a Hornswoggle, Jesse, Jamie Noble triple threat for the WWE title.
And sad to say but that is exactly what would happen, Mass.


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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2009, 12:25:42 PM »
More details on the drug testing fiasco and past failures on PWI....

As reported earlier, World Wrestling Entertainment is expected to announce some talent suspensions as a result of various Talent Wellness Program violations within the next few days. On Monday prior to Raw, the WWE creative team was given a list of talent not to write plans for as they will be unavailable for the foreseeable future, starting with next week's three-hour "3-For-All" broadcast. This directive is only done when talent is on the verge of being suspended as it's standard company protocol.

As most of you know, WWE's Talent Wellness Program has a "three strike" rule in place, with the first violation resulting in a 30-day suspension; the second violation resulting in a 60-day suspension; and a third such violation resulting in automatic termination from the company.

Here is how the current WWE talent roster stacks as it relates to publicly known Talent Wellness Program violations. There could very well be more current WWE wrestlers sitting on Wellness Policy strikes as a number of suspensions have fallen under the radar, but this is all that's publicly known.

Raw

» Chavo Guerrero is reportedly sitting on two strikes. On August 30, 2007, he was suspended — reportedly for 60 days — for receiving pharmaceuticals not in compliance with WWE's Talent Wellness Program. He received, among other drugs, somatropin, nandrolone and anastrozole between April 2005 and May 2006. His apparent prior suspension remains unclear.

» Drew Hankinson, a/k/a Festus, is sitting on one strike. In October or November 2006, while in developmental, he was quietly suspended for 30 days for his first violation of the company's drug testing policy.

» Randy Orton is sitting on one strike. In August 2006, he was quietly suspended for 30 days for his first violation of the company's drug testing policy — reportedly due to a drug test failure. Starting in September 2004 through February 2007, Orton received somatropin, nandrolone and stanozolol. In August 2007, company officials reasoned that Orton had already served his punishment due to his drug policy violation from the prior year — thus he was not suspended. However, Orton continued receiving pharmaceuticals through February 2007 — well past the date of his initial drug test failure.

» Darren Matthews, a/k/a William Regal, is sitting on two strikes. On August 30, 2007, he was suspended for 30 days for receiving pharmaceuticals not in compliance with WWE's Talent Wellness Program. Between November 2004 and November 2006, he received stanozolol, somatropin, genotropin, and anastrozole. On May 20, 2008, he was suspended for 60 days for his second violation of the company's drug testing policy.

SmackDown

» Charlie Haas is sitting on one strike. On August 30, 2007, he was suspended for 30 days for receiving pharmaceuticals not in compliance with WWE's Talent Wellness Program. He was prescribed anastrozole, somatropin, stanozolol, nandrolone and chorionic gonadotropin between August 2006 and January 2007.

» Nick Nemeth, a/k/a Dolph Ziggler, is sitting on one strike. On October 10, 2008, Nemeth was suspended for 30 days for his first violation of the company's drug resting policy.

» Adam Copeland, a/k/a Edge, is sitting on one strike. On August 30, 2007, he was suspended for 30 days for receiving pharmaceuticals not in compliance with WWE's Talent Wellness Program. He received somatropin, genotropin (both HGH), and stanozolol between September 2004 and February 2007.

» Jeff Hardy is sitting on two strikes. In July 2007, he was quietly suspended for 30 days for his first violation of the company's drug testing policy. On March 11, 2008, he was suspended for 60 days for his second violation of the company's drug testing policy.

» James Yun, a/k/a Jimmy Wang Yang, is sitting on one strike. On June 9, 2008, Yun was suspended for 30 days for his first violation of the company's drug testing policy.

» John Hennigan, a/k/a John Morrison, is sitting on one strike. On August 30, 2007, he was suspended for 30 days for receiving pharmaceuticals not in compliance with WWE's Talent Wellness Program. Between June 2006 and February 2007 he was prescribed somatropin, anastrozole, testosterone, stanozolol and chorionic gonadotropin, a hormone produced naturally during pregnancy. (HCG is taken by anabolic steroid users to stimulate the production of testosterone, which is suppressed as a result of steroid use.)

» Shoichi Funaki, a/k/a Kung Fu Naki, is sitting on one strike. On August 30, 2007, he was suspended for 30 days for receiving pharmaceuticals not in compliance with WWE's Talent Wellness Program. He received somatropin in March 2006.

ECW

» Harry Smith, a/k/a David Hart Smith, is sitting on one strike. On November 2, 2007, Smith was suspended for 30 days for his first violation of the company's drug testing policy — reportedly due to a drug test failure while in developmental.

» Gregory Helms is sitting on one strike. On August 30, 2007, he was suspended for 30 days for receiving pharmaceuticals not in compliance with WWE's Talent Wellness Program. Between November 2003 and February 2007, he received, among other drugs, testosterone, genotropin (HGH) and nandrolone.

Developmental

» Ryan Reeves, a/k/a Ryback, is sitting on one strike. In July 2006, while in developmental, he was quietly suspended for 30 days for his first violation of the company's drug testing policy. WWE released Reeves on January 19, 2007, but re-signed him in the fall of 2008, making him the first talent with a Wellness Program strike to return to the company after being let go.


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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2009, 02:35:08 PM »
That’s funny about Hogan/Finkel.
Who tipped that story?

I remember Iron Sheik being fired over a rec. drug test in the late ‘80’s. Vince hired him back several times after that.
So I guess the moral of the story is they can fire you for it, but they can also hire you back if they want you.

And what’s the big fvcking deal about HGH?
Presumably, the forbiddance of growth hormone is a compliant measure in accordance with the govt. and media pressure?
I really can’t think of any other reason to ban it.

**Why don’t more of these guys get a legitimate prescription for some of this stuff from a doctor? You can’t get everything listed above that way, but the “right” endo Dr. will write you a script for plenty of good stuff.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2009, 02:35:29 PM »
Hahaha, there's some funny stuff in that.  You could maybe accept a violation for steroids if they were big muscular guys, but Regal, Edge and Kung Fu Naki!!!   ;D

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2009, 02:43:37 PM »
Roids don’t work magic for everyone.
Some guys have such a poor response to them, you can barely tell they’re using.
If I was using Nandro & Gen and still looked like Shane Helms, I’d save my money.

Of course, they could be using gear to improve performance, or GH to heal up injuries and/or lean out.
Another possibility is that they’re purchasing it for someone else in the company – like maybe someone who’s got 2 strikes and can’t risk a third.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2009, 02:50:27 PM »
Roids don’t work magic for everyone.
Some guys have such a poor response to them, you can barely tell they’re using.
If I was using Nandro & Gen and still looked like Shane Helms, I’d save my money.

Of course, they could be using gear to improve performance, or GH to heal up injuries and/or lean out.
Another possibility is that they’re purchasing it for someone else in the company – like maybe someone who’s got 2 strikes and can’t risk a third.


Edge used to be a lot bigger, so we can assume he's had to stop using and now looks like crap.  Regal I suppose is getting on a bit and wants to keep his size as he gets older.  But FuNaki!  The guy has never had a decent physique that I can remember.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2009, 04:13:51 AM »
The beauty of using HGH is that there is no way of testing for it. Our technology is not that high yet. The only proof they have of athletes using HGH is through their paper work that shows they bought it at a pharmacy like the Signature Pharmacy bust. Paper trails. Thats it.

The Hogan / Finkle thing was all over the net if you google up the steroid trial of McMahon in 1992.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2009, 05:27:39 AM »
The Hogan / Finkle thing was all over the net if you google up the steroid trial of McMahon in 1992.

That's hillarious.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2009, 08:08:17 AM »
That's hillarious.
What's even funnier is how Cena goes in public & publicly states how "steroids are whats wrong with atheletes and anyone who uses them should go to jail"...lol....fucking pot calling the kettle black right there. In WWE there are guys who use gear but he used tons more especially considering he was trying to pursue a bbdg career before wrestling. He's the biggest hypocrite going.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2009, 09:05:14 AM »
FFS, don’t mention this on the G&O board…
You’ll start 16 threads about whether Cena is natural or not!
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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2009, 10:05:31 AM »
FFS, don’t mention this on the G&O board…
You’ll start 16 threads about whether Cena is natural or not!
 :D
I know...thats because three quarters of the tools on the G&O board are just average gym rats and don't understand the drug side of the fence and how they work.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2009, 07:53:25 AM »
I know...thats because three quarters of the tools on the G&O board are just average gym rats and don't understand the drug side of the fence and how they work.
ITS SIMPLE ,,hhh,cena,batista a good example of 3 guys who know how to fly under the radar.there numbers are probably in range to due masking,keeping there cycles in check when testing comes.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2009, 08:46:54 AM »
Even simpler:
Third party testing would be a different story, but if WWE’s testing is controlled by WWE, then WWE also controls the results.

That means that – barring any extenuating circumstances (like a mail bust) – they can cover up what/who they want.

And there are ways around that, too. There’s no reason any star has to have gear sent directly to them. There are plenty of people they could have it sent to, instead – like Shawn Ray’s mom. ;D


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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2009, 01:28:08 PM »
I think the Benoit Murders and the follow up HEAT from Congress has caused them to not only "release" and suspend wrestlers but also the change to "family oriented" which is such BS anyways , as the way the Divas are marketed..

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2009, 01:34:48 PM »
I think the Benoit Murders and the follow up HEAT from Congress has caused them to not only "release" and suspend wrestlers but also the change to "family oriented" which is such BS anyways , as the way the Divas are marketed..

The diva's are all covered up now. Haven't you noticed they never wrestle in tube tops or skirts or have bra & panties patches anymore?

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2009, 01:42:42 PM »
For a while anyway…
Then after things settle down, he’ll go back to “raunch.”

He was going to make the change to an edgier style before the “Attitude Era,” but postponed due to the negative press from the steroid trial of ‘92.

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Re: Major drug testing at Raw this past monday....
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2009, 06:19:54 PM »
FFS, don’t mention this on the G&O board…
You’ll start 16 threads about whether Cena is natural or not!
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Quoted for truth.

Do you guys think Cena is clean?
lol........