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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #225 on: June 12, 2009, 11:15:23 AM »
Too stupid to even warrent a response

How so?

I think your just ignorant of the correct way a police officer is supposed to handle a situation.  You obviously didn't learn the continuum in your academy.

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #226 on: June 12, 2009, 11:20:27 AM »
Really, look up the correct way to handle the situation.   Officer is allowed to increase his use of force one notch above that of his suspect.   This is based on the use of force continuum.

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #227 on: June 12, 2009, 11:20:56 AM »
Perhaps this will help you:





Use of Force
Every day, law enforcement officers face danger while carrying out their responsibilities. When dealing with a dangerous—or unpredictable—situation, police officers usually have very little time to assess it and determine the proper response. Here, good training can enable the officer to react properly to the threat or possible threat and respond with the appropriate tactics to address the situation, possibly including some level of force, if necessary, given the circumstances.

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has stated that "…in diffusing situations, apprehending alleged criminals, and protecting themselves and others, officers are legally entitled to use appropriate means, including force." In dozens of studies of police use of force there is no single, accepted definition among the researchers, analysts, or the police. The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) in its study, Police Use of Force in America 2001, defined use of force as "The amount of effort required by police to compel compliance by an unwilling subject." The IACP also identified five components of force: physical, chemical, electronic, impact, and firearm. To some people, though, the mere presence of a police officer can be intimidating and seen as use of force.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) in Data Collection on Police Use of Force, states that "…the legal test of excessive force…is whether the police officer reasonably believed that such force was necessary to accomplish a legitimate police purpose…" However, there are no universally accepted definitions of "reasonable" and "necessary" because the terms are subjective. A court in one jurisdiction may define "reasonable" or "necessary" differently than a court in a second jurisdiction. More to the point is an understanding of the "improper" use of force, which can be divided into two categories: "unnecessary" and "excessive." The unnecessary use of force would be the application of force where there is no justification for its use, while an excessive use of force would be the application of more force than required where use of force is necessary.

Contacts between Police and the Public, a 1999 BJS report, estimated that less than half of 1 percent of an estimated 44 million people who had face-to-face contact with a police officer were threatened with or actually experienced force. Other studies report similar statistics. It is these few situations, however, that attract public attention. Robert K. Olsen, former Minneapolis Police Chief and Past President, Police Executive Research Forum (PERF), early in 2004 called the use of force "the single most volatile issue facing police departments." He noted that "just one use of force incident can dramatically alter the stability of a police department and its relationship with a community."

Police department policies can have a significant impact on how force is used in street-level encounters, says a 2003 study by the Community Relations Services of the U.S. Department of Justice, Principles of Good Policing: Avoiding Violence Between Police and Citizens. And, the BJS Data Collection report mentioned above stresses the need for police executives to improve training of recruits and police officers on the use of force and the techniques for minimizing its application.






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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #228 on: June 12, 2009, 11:22:46 AM »
Idiot:

that's why you go to a police academy and learn the force continuum.  It's very basic.

10 years doing the job princess

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #229 on: June 12, 2009, 11:23:38 AM »
Perhaps this will help you:





Use of Force
Every day, law enforcement officers face danger while carrying out their responsibilities. When dealing with a dangerous—or unpredictable—situation, police officers usually have very little time to assess it and determine the proper response. Here, good training can enable the officer to react properly to the threat or possible threat and respond with the appropriate tactics to address the situation, possibly including some level of force, if necessary, given the circumstances.

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has stated that "…in diffusing situations, apprehending alleged criminals, and protecting themselves and others, officers are legally entitled to use appropriate means, including force." In dozens of studies of police use of force there is no single, accepted definition among the researchers, analysts, or the police. The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) in its study, Police Use of Force in America 2001, defined use of force as "The amount of effort required by police to compel compliance by an unwilling subject." The IACP also identified five components of force: physical, chemical, electronic, impact, and firearm. To some people, though, the mere presence of a police officer can be intimidating and seen as use of force.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) in Data Collection on Police Use of Force, states that "…the legal test of excessive force…is whether the police officer reasonably believed that such force was necessary to accomplish a legitimate police purpose…" However, there are no universally accepted definitions of "reasonable" and "necessary" because the terms are subjective. A court in one jurisdiction may define "reasonable" or "necessary" differently than a court in a second jurisdiction. More to the point is an understanding of the "improper" use of force, which can be divided into two categories: "unnecessary" and "excessive." The unnecessary use of force would be the application of force where there is no justification for its use, while an excessive use of force would be the application of more force than required where use of force is necessary.

Contacts between Police and the Public, a 1999 BJS report, estimated that less than half of 1 percent of an estimated 44 million people who had face-to-face contact with a police officer were threatened with or actually experienced force. Other studies report similar statistics. It is these few situations, however, that attract public attention. Robert K. Olsen, former Minneapolis Police Chief and Past President, Police Executive Research Forum (PERF), early in 2004 called the use of force "the single most volatile issue facing police departments." He noted that "just one use of force incident can dramatically alter the stability of a police department and its relationship with a community."

Police department policies can have a significant impact on how force is used in street-level encounters, says a 2003 study by the Community Relations Services of the U.S. Department of Justice, Principles of Good Policing: Avoiding Violence Between Police and Citizens. And, the BJS Data Collection report mentioned above stresses the need for police executives to improve training of recruits and police officers on the use of force and the techniques for minimizing its application.







Fuck this, time to fix this thread:

I hate the State.

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #230 on: June 12, 2009, 11:26:21 AM »
10 years doing the job princess

means alot more than an internet twink like you spouting shit

lol.  Seriously?  10 WHOLE years?  WOW.

I did it for 7.  Now I am a defense attorney.  I have far greater brain capacity than you twinkie.

OH, and it's "a lot" not "alot".

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #231 on: June 12, 2009, 11:28:54 AM »
Perhaps this will help you:





Use of Force
Every day, law enforcement officers face danger while carrying out their responsibilities. When dealing with a dangerous—or unpredictable—situation, police officers usually have very little time to assess it and determine the proper response. Here, good training can enable the officer to react properly to the threat or possible threat and respond with the appropriate tactics to address the situation, possibly including some level of force, if necessary, given the circumstances.

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has stated that "…in diffusing situations, apprehending alleged criminals, and protecting themselves and others, officers are legally entitled to use appropriate means, including force." In dozens of studies of police use of force there is no single, accepted definition among the researchers, analysts, or the police. The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) in its study, Police Use of Force in America 2001, defined use of force as "The amount of effort required by police to compel compliance by an unwilling subject." The IACP also identified five components of force: physical, chemical, electronic, impact, and firearm. To some people, though, the mere presence of a police officer can be intimidating and seen as use of force.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) in Data Collection on Police Use of Force, states that "…the legal test of excessive force…is whether the police officer reasonably believed that such force was necessary to accomplish a legitimate police purpose…" However, there are no universally accepted definitions of "reasonable" and "necessary" because the terms are subjective. A court in one jurisdiction may define "reasonable" or "necessary" differently than a court in a second jurisdiction. More to the point is an understanding of the "improper" use of force, which can be divided into two categories: "unnecessary" and "excessive." The unnecessary use of force would be the application of force where there is no justification for its use, while an excessive use of force would be the application of more force than required where use of force is necessary.

Contacts between Police and the Public, a 1999 BJS report, estimated that less than half of 1 percent of an estimated 44 million people who had face-to-face contact with a police officer were threatened with or actually experienced force. Other studies report similar statistics. It is these few situations, however, that attract public attention. Robert K. Olsen, former Minneapolis Police Chief and Past President, Police Executive Research Forum (PERF), early in 2004 called the use of force "the single most volatile issue facing police departments." He noted that "just one use of force incident can dramatically alter the stability of a police department and its relationship with a community."

Police department policies can have a significant impact on how force is used in street-level encounters, says a 2003 study by the Community Relations Services of the U.S. Department of Justice, Principles of Good Policing: Avoiding Violence Between Police and Citizens. And, the BJS Data Collection report mentioned above stresses the need for police executives to improve training of recruits and police officers on the use of force and the techniques for minimizing its application.







Chick, i understand what youre saying and all, but you're missing the point.  He used more than the amount of force necessary.  He could have used less.  That's the situation in a nutshell.  Was the woman a jackass, yes.  But cops have to follow protocol. 

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #232 on: June 12, 2009, 11:33:43 AM »
You're right..he COULD have...but he didn't.

And she COULD have simply signed the ticket and been on her way...

Bottom line is, if she doesn't act like a Jackass...none of it takes place to even debate.

The use of force could have been physical, and resulted in injury...


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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #233 on: June 12, 2009, 11:35:19 AM »
lol.  Seriously?  10 WHOLE years?  WOW.

I did it for 7.  Now I am a defense attorney.  I have far greater brain capacity than you twinkie.

OH, and it's "a lot" not "alot".
So you protect the baby rapers and dealers that supply our children with drugs?

You're a piece of shit scumbag, just like your clients.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #234 on: June 12, 2009, 11:37:03 AM »
So you protect the baby rapers and dealers that supply our children with drugs?

You're a piece of shit scumbag, just like your clients.

we should have seen it coming

lawyers are the scum of the earth

no wonder he is spouting shit
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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #235 on: June 12, 2009, 11:42:20 AM »
Just trying to school/teach some brain dead cops how to do their jobs correctly.  That's all.

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #236 on: June 12, 2009, 11:45:11 AM »
Just trying to school/teach some brain dead cops how to do their jobs correctly.  That's all.

maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror

and ponder your contribution to the downfall of society
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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #237 on: June 12, 2009, 11:47:26 AM »
maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror

and ponder your contribution to the downfall of society

lol. 

Prototypical cop I bet you are. 

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #238 on: June 12, 2009, 11:48:49 AM »
Just trying to school/teach some brain dead cops how to do their jobs correctly.  That's all.

Maybe you could hold a few seminars for elderly citizens teaching them how to act properly so as to not incite the use of force by an officer?

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #239 on: June 12, 2009, 11:50:33 AM »
lol. 

Prototypical cop I bet you are. 

rather that than

a typical lawyer

keeping the scum on the streets
 
what a cock jocky
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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #240 on: June 12, 2009, 11:51:09 AM »
Maybe you could hold a few seminars for elderly citizens teaching them how to act properly so as to not incite the use of force by an officer?

Maybe if you would've paid attention in your petty police academy classes you would understand this topic a tad bit better.  Or maybe it was just kinda tough for ya.

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #241 on: June 12, 2009, 11:52:48 AM »
rather that than

a typical lawyer

keeping the scum on the streets
 
what a cock jocky

Your Heiku poem styled responses are hysterical and really do show your lack of intelligence.  However, I really don't find it surprising at all coming from a supposed 10 year veteren cop.

Good day Sir!

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #242 on: June 12, 2009, 11:56:26 AM »
Maybe if you would've paid attention in your petty police academy classes you would understand this topic a tad bit better.  Or maybe it was just kinda tough for ya.

Are you defending the actions of the lady?

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #243 on: June 12, 2009, 11:57:28 AM »
Your Heiku poem styled responses are hysterical and really do show your lack of intelligence.  However, I really don't find it surprising at all coming from a supposed 10 year veteren cop.

Good day Sir!

wow,

you are really a cock

Brutal fake internet intelligence

i bet you work at macdonalds
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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #244 on: June 12, 2009, 11:57:46 AM »
A 10 page thread, debating whether or not police should use a tazer on a 72 year old woman. Wow.
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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #245 on: June 12, 2009, 11:58:30 AM »
Are you defending the actions of the lady?
He said he was a defense lawyer..... ::)

lol.  Seriously?  10 WHOLE years?  WOW.

I did it for 7.  Now I am a defense attorney.  I have far greater brain capacity than you twinkie.

OH, and it's "a lot" not "alot".
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #246 on: June 12, 2009, 12:00:22 PM »
Not one bit chick.  Not one bit.  She was acting like a complete jackass and I love that he tazed her ass.  Yes she deserved it.

BUT, it was excessive in that he could've subdued her with less forceful means.  That's what a cop is supposed to be trained to do.  I've done that job and know it is tough in the situation to not get pissed and use lots of force.  


Chick, she is 72.  She easily could've been taken down without that excessive amount of force.  Actually I think that cop gave other cops a bad name.  Cops are to be trained in using the correct amount of force.  This was excessive.  Please look into the force continuum.  I'm surprised that you didn't learn that.. we're both from NY academys

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #247 on: June 12, 2009, 12:01:51 PM »
Not one bit chick.  Not one bit.  She was acting like a complete jackass and I love that he tazed her ass.  Yes she deserved it.

BUT, it was excessive in that he could've subdued her with less forceful means.  That's what a cop is supposed to be trained to do.  I've done that job and know it is tough in the situation to not get pissed and use lots of force.  


Chick, she is 72.  She easily could've been taken down without that excessive amount of force.  Actually I think that cop gave other cops a bad name.  Cops are to be trained in using the correct amount of force.  This was excessive.  Please look into the force continuum.  I'm surprised that you didn't learn that.. we're both from NY academys

you were never a cop
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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #248 on: June 12, 2009, 12:03:50 PM »
A 10 page thread, debating whether or not police should use a tazer on a 72 year old woman. Wow.

lol... i feel you tommy...

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Re: 72 Year old Woman Tasered by Police!
« Reply #249 on: June 12, 2009, 12:03:58 PM »
you were never a cop

I was.  I even gave the County in NY.