Author Topic: Blood Test Levels when on Juice (Read 2970 times)

NEOFARQ · « **on:** June 11, 2009, 08:55:24 AM »

So got my bloodwork back yesterday, test was under 20. I'm currently on 600 mg. of Alpha Pharma Testorapid, 600 mg. Alpha Pharma Nadrolone Decanoate and 30 mg. of Asia Dispensary d-bols. Is the gear I have fake? Considering what I'm on shouldn't my test levels be through the roof? Said normal range was like 262-1293. I'm also not actually sure what kind of testosterone they were testing for. Does artificial stuff show up on a blood test?

chixlegs · « **Reply #1 on:** June 11, 2009, 10:27:14 AM »

Under 20? Is that a misprint?

Yes, artificial testosterone will raise your test levels in blood work. It should be very high.

abc123 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 11, 2009, 01:52:54 PM »

Quote from: NEOFARQ on June 11, 2009, 08:55:24 AM

So got my bloodwork back yesterday, test was under 20. I'm currently on 600 mg. of Alpha Pharma Testorapid, 600 mg. Alpha Pharma Nadrolone Decanoate and 30 mg. of Asia Dispensary d-bols. Is the gear I have fake? Considering what I'm on shouldn't my test levels be through the roof? Said normal range was like 262-1293. I'm also not actually sure what kind of testosterone they were testing for. Does artificial stuff show up on a blood test?

This is looking bad for Alpha Pharma

Meso_z · « **Reply #3 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:04:30 PM »

wtf...

windsor88 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:37:02 PM »

At this point you should be able to get legit HG with a 20 reading.

NEOFARQ · « **Reply #5 on:** June 11, 2009, 06:56:47 PM »

Sooo I just got back from my dr. we went over the blood test. My HDL is very low and natural test is extremely low. I aksed if I was on steroids right now what would my test levels look like? He said they would be extremely low and your cholesterol would be out of whack, like it now. He said that this blood panel only tests for natural testosterone not synthetic. Any thoughts? Maybe this stuff is legit?? Anyways buying some new gear until this mystery is solved.......

tbombz · « **Reply #6 on:** June 11, 2009, 10:01:26 PM »

i just got my blood test results today. my test showed up as "Unable to determine testosterone result due to possible interferant. suggest redrawing patient for retesting"... my doc told me this meant it was absolutely zero... but it doesnt say either way on the test paper... it shows my estrogen as being 260 (normal is supposed to be 20-56)... my shbg is 9.6 and normal is 13-71... i have ZERO good cholestrol and very low bad cholestrol...

efanhowz · « **Reply #7 on:** June 11, 2009, 10:47:18 PM »

tbombz what are you running currently?

tbombz · « **Reply #8 on:** June 11, 2009, 10:50:04 PM »

Quote from: efanhowz on June 11, 2009, 10:47:18 PM

tbombz what are you running currently?

as far as steroids go im on a few shots of test every week.... as you can tell by my ridiculously high estrogen levels, which are 5 times higher than anything remotely considered normal. lol.

Meso_z · « **Reply #9 on:** June 12, 2009, 01:02:20 AM »

Quote from: tbombz on June 11, 2009, 10:50:04 PM

as far as steroids go im on a few shots of test every week.... as you can tell by my ridiculously high estrogen levels, which are 5 times higher than anything remotely considered normal. lol.

why the test was absolutely zero?

im runing some ap prop right now and the next few days im going to take a hormonal blood test.

StillTippin · « **Reply #10 on:** June 12, 2009, 07:57:42 AM »

Quote from: tbombz on June 11, 2009, 10:01:26 PM

i just got my blood test results today. my test showed up as "Unable to determine testosterone result due to possible interferant. suggest redrawing patient for retesting"... my doc told me this meant it was absolutely zero... but it doesnt say either way on the test paper... it shows my estrogen as being 260 (normal is supposed to be 20-56)... my shbg is 9.6 and normal is 13-71... i have ZERO good cholestrol and very low bad cholestrol...

So now that you have that info what are you planning to do with it to rectify some of those numbers? What's a good way to get shbg up besides Proviron?

tbombz · « **Reply #11 on:** June 12, 2009, 11:25:42 AM »

Quote from: StillTippin on June 12, 2009, 07:57:42 AM

So now that you have that info what are you planning to do with it to rectify some of those numbers? What's a good way to get shbg up besides Proviron?

what numbers do i want to rectify ? my shbg is low... which by traditional school of thoguht is a good thing... however im not so sur that shbg is a bad thing to have... unbound test is destroyed very quickly by the body... however bound test stays in the body unharmed for much much longer... and theres reason to believe that bound test works just as well as unbound test... i posted this before... bound test can and does enter and work in cells just like unbound does http://molinterv.aspetjournals.org/cgi/reprint/5/6/338.pdf

thelamefalsehood · « **Reply #12 on:** June 12, 2009, 02:35:13 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on June 12, 2009, 11:25:42 AM

what numbers do i want to rectify ? my shbg is low... which by traditional school of thoguht is a good thing... however im not so sur that shbg is a bad thing to have... unbound test is destroyed very quickly by the body... however bound test stays in the body unharmed for much much longer... and theres reason to believe that bound test works just as well as unbound test... i posted this before... bound test can and does enter and work in cells just like unbound does http://molinterv.aspetjournals.org/cgi/reprint/5/6/338.pdf

Your HDL and LDL are screwed though dude. It may not seem like a concern now, because it isn't something you can see or feal, but thats the type of thing that can kill you way too early if not treated. At least look at some supplements to help out your cholesterol numbers. Were you running orals at all when you did your blood draw? Had you done them recently?

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #13 on:** June 12, 2009, 05:22:01 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on June 11, 2009, 10:01:26 PM

i just got my blood test results today. my test showed up as "Unable to determine testosterone result due to possible interferant. suggest redrawing patient for retesting"... my doc told me this meant it was absolutely zero... but it doesnt say either way on the test paper... it shows my estrogen as being 260 (normal is supposed to be 20-56)... my shbg is 9.6 and normal is 13-71... i have ZERO good cholestrol and very low bad cholestrol...

Unusual a doc would do a hormone test on such a young male. Anything else in your meds cabinent that could be causing these fluxuations from the norm?

BodyMachine · « **Reply #14 on:** June 12, 2009, 06:47:50 PM »

Quote from: NEOFARQ on June 11, 2009, 06:56:47 PM

Sooo I just got back from my dr. we went over the blood test. My HDL is very low and natural test is extremely low. I aksed if I was on steroids right now what would my test levels look like? He said they would be extremely low and your cholesterol would be out of whack, like it now. He said that this blood panel only tests for natural testosterone not synthetic. Any thoughts? Maybe this stuff is legit?? Anyways buying some new gear until this mystery is solved.......

What? Im confused, test is test, being natural or not and it should have shown up. Now FSH/LH levels, yeah those would be zero when on the juice. There have been many people who have had blood work done and reported really high numbers for Test and free test while on. This doesnt make sense, can someone clearify why he only had a reading of 20, I'm thinking bad gear?

Meso_z · « **Reply #15 on:** June 13, 2009, 01:48:27 AM »

Quote from: BodyMachine on June 12, 2009, 06:47:50 PM

What? Im confused, test is test, being natural or not and it should have shown up. Now FSH/LH levels, yeah those would be zero when on the juice. There have been many people who have had blood work done and reported really high numbers for Test and free test while on. This doesnt make sense, can someone clearify why he only had a reading of 20, I'm thinking bad gear?

its kind of strange, because i made my preparation last year with 3 testobolins and 3 rexogins a week. and i though, and still believe that its good gear...

abc123 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 13, 2009, 02:33:53 AM »

Quote from: BodyMachine on June 12, 2009, 06:47:50 PM

What? Im confused, test is test, being natural or not and it should have shown up. Now FSH/LH levels, yeah those would be zero when on the juice. There have been many people who have had blood work done and reported really high numbers for Test and free test while on. This doesnt make sense, can someone clearify why he only had a reading of 20, I'm thinking bad gear?

I've been tested on Test and Deca and my test levels were extremely high. Test was above 2,000 if I recall, while free test was very high as well. Estrogen was slightly above the normal range, HDL was a little low, and FSH and LH were basically non-existant, as expected.

He's got bad gear and I think Tbombz is injecting straight estrogen.

Isn't that Alphapharma stuff he's taking?

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #17 on:** June 13, 2009, 02:46:12 AM »

Quote from: NEOFARQ on June 11, 2009, 06:56:47 PM

Sooo I just got back from my dr. we went over the blood test. My HDL is very low and natural test is extremely low. I aksed if I was on steroids right now what would my test levels look like? He said they would be extremely low and your cholesterol would be out of whack, like it now. He said that this blood panel only tests for natural testosterone not synthetic. Any thoughts? Maybe this stuff is legit?? Anyways buying some new gear until this mystery is solved.......

By "synthetic testosterone" he means anabolic steroids i.e. all AS except testosterone itself. Testosterone isn't grouped with the anabolic steroids by the medical field usually. T is the parent androgen to them.

Your results indicate you are on AS but no testosterone, no "synthetic" nor "natural" testosterone.

No mystery.

Quote from: tbombz on June 11, 2009, 10:01:26 PM

i just got my blood test results today. my test showed up as "Unable to determine testosterone result due to possible interferant. suggest redrawing patient for retesting"... my doc told me this meant it was absolutely zero... but it doesnt say either way on the test paper... it shows my estrogen as being 260 (normal is supposed to be 20-56)... my shbg is 9.6 and normal is 13-71... i have ZERO good cholestrol and very low bad cholestrol...

Me thinks the testosterone was so high they suspect lab error.

Quote from: StillTippin on June 12, 2009, 07:57:42 AM

What's a good way to get shbg up besides Proviron?

You mean get shbg down? ALL anabolic steroids lower shbg, as tbombz results show.

Meso_z · « **Reply #18 on:** June 13, 2009, 02:54:02 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on June 13, 2009, 02:46:12 AM

By "synthetic testosterone" he means anabolic steroids i.e. all AS except testosterone itself. Testosterone isn't grouped with the anabolic steroids by the medical field usually. T is the parent androgen to them.

Your results indicate you are on AS but no testosterone, no "synthetic" nor "natural" testosterone.

No mystery.

Me thinks the testosterone was so high they suspect lab error.

You mean get shbg down? ALL anabolic steroids lower shbg, as tbombz results show.

for the 1st guy, you think his test gear is crap?

abc123 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 13, 2009, 02:55:48 AM »

Van, now I'm confused. What effect does Provirion have on SHBG? Do you want it lower or higher? Lower correct?

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #20 on:** June 13, 2009, 03:06:39 AM »

Quote from: Meso_z on June 13, 2009, 02:54:02 AM

for the 1st guy, you think his test gear is crap?

There is no test in his stack but there is likely some other AS in there in unknown amounts. I wouldn't trust the gear he has.

Quote from: abc123 on June 13, 2009, 02:55:48 AM

Van, now I'm confused. What effect does Provirion have on SHBG? Do you want it lower or higher? Lower correct?

Yes the common idea is to want to lower it. Proviron lowers it, or preferentially binds to it leaving the test in unbound state, but most don't know all steroids lower SHBG, including testosterone, in a dose dependent manner. I don't see a need for Proviron for this reason as any stack will leave you with low SHBG anyway.

Like tbombz said you may not want to lower it since free test is metabolized faster and bound T may be able to exert effects. It's a topic you could debate further and I don't know the answer.

StillTippin · « **Reply #21 on:** June 13, 2009, 10:12:38 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on June 13, 2009, 02:46:12 AM

You mean get shbg down? ALL anabolic steroids lower shbg, as tbombz results show.

Yeah I meant down.

StillTippin · « **Reply #22 on:** June 13, 2009, 10:16:24 AM »

Quote from: tbombz on June 12, 2009, 11:25:42 AM

what numbers do i want to rectify ? my shbg is low... which by traditional school of thoguht is a good thing... however im not so sur that shbg is a bad thing to have... unbound test is destroyed very quickly by the body... however bound test stays in the body unharmed for much much longer... and theres reason to believe that bound test works just as well as unbound test... i posted this before... bound test can and does enter and work in cells just like unbound does http://molinterv.aspetjournals.org/cgi/reprint/5/6/338.pdf

I was thinking your cholesterol numbers. Those aren't numbers you want to be having long term. Also what about your estrogen? Is 260 too much being that it's so far out of the normal range? I know estrogen is needed but does it need to be that high? I'm asking out of curiousity not because I'm trying to say it's bad.

tbombz · « **Reply #23 on:** June 13, 2009, 04:46:33 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on June 13, 2009, 02:46:12 AM

Me thinks the testosterone was so high they suspect lab error.

yes, exactly my thoughts.

tbombz · « **Reply #24 on:** June 13, 2009, 04:50:59 PM »

Quote from: StillTippin on June 13, 2009, 10:16:24 AM

I was thinking your cholesterol numbers. Those aren't numbers you want to be having long term. Also what about your estrogen? Is 260 too much being that it's so far out of the normal range? I know estrogen is needed but does it need to be that high? I'm asking out of curiousity not because I'm trying to say it's bad.

the cholestrol. hm. nope not going to do anything at the moment. the doctor also told me about a prescirtion drug that is a form of niacin, suposedly thdiet down in a few months i will start to incorporate tons of fish oil. that shoul help.

estrogen. nope. i did take two tabs of adex the day i got those results to see what would happen, i lost 10 lbs and looked tons harder leaner and drier the next day. now four days later or so i am back up 12 pounds and looking as i did before (water / fat wise)...(this did make me rethink my ideas on estrogen and fat loss... as i think it may indicate some potential....although my appetite was absoltuely ravenous that day)