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What If Israel Strikes Iran
« on: June 11, 2009, 02:07:49 PM »
By JOHN R. BOLTON WSJ

Whatever the outcome of Iran's presidential election tomorrow, negotiations will not soon -- if ever -- put an end to its nuclear threat. And given Iran's determination to achieve deliverable nuclear weapons, speculation about a possible Israeli attack on its nuclear program will not only persist but grow.

So what would such an attack look like? Obviously, Israel would need to consider many factors -- such as its timing and scope, Iran's increasing air defenses, the dispersion and hardening of its nuclear facilities, the potential international political costs, and Iran's "unpredictability." While not as menacingly irrational as North Korea, Iran's politico-military logic hardly compares to our NATO allies. Central to any Israeli decision is Iran's possible response.

 
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 Israel's alternative is that Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile programs reach fruition, leaving its very existence at the whim of its staunchest adversary. Israel has not previously accepted such risks. It destroyed Iraq's Osirak reactor in 1981 and a Syrian reactor being built by North Koreans in 2007. One major new element in Israel's calculus is the Obama administration's growing distance (especially in contrast to its predecessor).

Consider the most-often mentioned Iranian responses to a possible Israeli strike:

1) Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz. Often cited as Tehran's knee-jerk answer -- along with projections of astronomic oil-price spikes because of the disruption of supplies from Persian Gulf producers -- this option is neither feasible nor advisable for Iran. The U.S. would quickly overwhelm any effort to close the Strait, and Iran would be risking U.S. attacks on its land-based military. Direct military conflict with Washington would turn a bad situation for Iran -- disruption of its nuclear program -- into a potential catastrophe for the regime. Prudent hedging by oil traders and consuming countries (though not their strong suit, historically) would minimize any price spike.

2) Iran cuts its o wn oil exports to raise world prices. An Iranian embargo of its own oil exports would complete the ruin of Iran's domestic economy by depriving the country of hard currency. This is roughly equivalent to Thomas Jefferson's 1807 embargo on American exports to protect U.S. shipping from British and French interference. That harmed the U.S. far more than the Europeans. Even Iran's mullahs can see that. Another gambit with no legs.

3) Iran attacks U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some Tehran hard-liners might advocate this approach, or even attacks on U.S. bases or Arab targets in the Gulf -- but doing so would risk direct U.S. retaliation against Iran, as many U.S. commanders in Iraq earlier recommended. Increased violence in Iraq or Afghanistan might actually prolong the U.S. military presence in Iraq, despite President Barack Obama's current plans for withdrawal. Moreover, taking on the U.S. military, even in an initially limited way, carries enormous risks for Iran. Tehran may believe the Obama administration's generally apologetic international posture will protect it from U.S. escalation, but it would be highly dangerous for Iran to gamble on more weakness in the face of increased U.S. casualties in Iraq or Afghanistan.

4) Iran increases support for global terrorism. This Iranian option, especially stepping up world-wide attacks against U.S. targets, is always open. Assuming, however, that Mr. Obama does not further degrade our intelligence capabilities and that our watchfulness remains high, the terrorism option outside of the Middle East is extremely risky for Iran. If Washington uncovered evidence of direct or indirect Iranian terrorist activities in America, for example, even the Obama administration would have to consider direct retaliation inside Iran. While Iran enjoys rhetorical conflict with the U.S., operationally it prefers picking on targets its own size or smaller.

5) Iran launches missile attacks on Israel. Because all the foregoing options risk more direct U.S. involvement, Tehran will most likely decide to retaliate against the actual attacker, Israel. Using its missile and perhaps air force capabilities, Iran could do substantial damage in Israel, especially to civilian targets. Of course, one can only imagine what Iran might do once it has nuclear weapons, and this is part of the cost-benefit analysis Israel must make before launching attacks in the first place. Direct Iranian military action against Israel, however, would provoke an even broader Israeli counterstrike, which at some point might well involve Israel's own nuclear capability. Accordingly, Iran's Revolutionary Guards would have to think long and hard before unleashing its own capabilities against Israel.

6) Iran unleashes Hamas and Hezbollah against Israel. By process of elimination, but also because of strategic logic, Iran's most likely option is retaliating through Hamas and Hezbollah. Increased terrorist attacks inside Israel, military incursions by Hezbollah across the Blue Line, and, most significantly, salvoes of missiles from both Lebanon and the Gaza Strip are all possibilities. In plain violation of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1701, Iran has not only completely re-equipped Hezbollah since the 2006 war with Israel, but the longer reach of Hezbollah's rockets now endangers Israel's entire civilian population. Moreover, Hamas's rocket capabilities could easily be substantially enhanced to provide greater range and payload to strike throughout Israel, creating a two-front challenge.

Risks to its civilian population will weigh heavily in any Israeli decision to use force, and might well argue for simultaneous, pre-emptive attacks on Hezbollah and Hamas in conjunction with a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities. Obviously, Israel will have to measure the current risks to its safety and survival against the longer-term threat to its very existence once Iran acquires nuclear weapons.

This brief survey demonstrates why Israel's military option against Iran's nuclear program is so unattractive, but also why failing to act is even worse. All these scenarios become infinitely more dangerous once Iran has deliverable nuclear weapons. So does daily life in Israel, elsewhere in the region and globally.

Many argue that Israeli military action will cause Iranians to rally in support of the mullahs' regime and plunge the region into political chaos. To the contrary, a strike accompanied by effective public diplomacy could well turn Iran's diverse population against an oppressive regime. Most of the Arab world's leaders would welcome Israel solving the Iran nuclear problem, although they certainly won't say so publicly and will rhetorically embrace Iran if Israel strikes. But rhetoric from its Arab neighbors is the only quantum of solace Iran will get.

On the other hand, the Obama administration's increased pressure on Israel concerning the "two-state solution" and West Bank settlements demonstrates Israel's growing distance from Washington. Although there is no profit now in complaining that Israel should have struck during the Bush years, the missed opportunity is palpable. For the remainder of Mr. Obama's term, uncertainty about his administration's support for Israel will continue to dog Israeli governments and complicate their calculations. Iran will see that as well, and play it for all it's worth. This is yet another reason why Israel's risks and dilemmas, difficult as they are, only increase with time.

Mr. Bolton, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, is the author of "Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations and Abroad" (Simon & Schuster, 2007).

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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 02:24:41 PM »
Bolton is a crazy neocon, but he makes good points.

The only weak area I see, is that he minimizes the chance iran will commission terror events.  his paraphrased stance of "if they get away with it, it's only because Obama is soft on terror" undermines his position on everything.

What should be a pretty good analysis of the minimal impact it will have on us becomes a ghostwritten Cheney speech attacking libs :(

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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 02:40:40 PM »
why is it OK for israel to strike iran for having nukes, but its NOT OK for iran to strike israel for having nukes?

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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2009, 02:45:24 PM »
why is it OK for israel to strike iran for having nukes, but its NOT OK for iran to strike israel for having nukes?

When was the last time Isreal threatened to wipe Iran off the map?
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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2009, 02:48:09 PM »
they have threatened to take preemptive military action against iran dozens of times, and unlike Iran they have attacked and invaded their neighbors.

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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009, 02:55:49 PM »
they have threatened to take preemptive military action against iran dozens of times, and unlike Iran they have attacked and invaded their neighbors.

Are you speaking of Southern Lebanon? That's all you should be speaking of concerning "invading" neighbors. Israel has been invaded on 3 separate occasions.

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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009, 03:27:12 PM »
why is it OK for israel to strike iran for having nukes, but its NOT OK for iran to strike israel for having nukes?

Becasue the JOOS/ZIONIST run america and set policy...
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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2009, 03:28:00 PM »
When was the last time Isreal threatened to wipe Iran off the map?

It is said all the time
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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2009, 03:29:10 PM »
Are you speaking of Southern Lebanon? That's all you should be speaking of concerning "invading" neighbors. Israel has been invaded on 3 separate occasions.

Did you conveniently forget when Israel attacked Iraq as it built its nuclear power plants
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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2009, 03:31:34 PM »
There is still no proof that Iran is building nuclear weapons.  Zero.  None.  Nada.  As such the best case to ensure they don't feel the need to have them is to invite diplomacy, help Iran develop technology for Nuclear power and in return have them allow UN inspectors into their facilities. 
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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2009, 03:32:49 PM »
There is still no proof that Iran is building nuclear weapons.  Zero.  None.  Nada.  As such the best case to ensure they don't feel the need to have them is to invite diplomacy, help Iran develop technology for Nuclear power and in return have them allow UN inspectors into their facilities. 

As long as the same is done in Israhell I may agree...but at last check Israhell is not obligated by such regulations
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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 03:37:14 PM »
As long as the same is done in Israhell I may agree...but at last check Israhell is not obligated by such regulations

And they never will be.  That doesn't mean things with Iran can't be solved.  If Iran feels the United States would stop Israel from using a nuclear weapon or attacking Iran then they wouldn't feel the need for security from Nuclear weapons.   
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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 03:44:25 PM »
Did you conveniently forget when Israel attacked Iraq as it built its nuclear power plants

Did you conveniently forget that Iraq was still in a state of war with Israel at the time and the attack?

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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2009, 03:45:06 PM »
Did you conveniently forget that Iraq was still in a state of war with Israel at the time and the attack?

He's a dipshit gimmick who is also a propaganda machine. Manipulating information is his specialty. Hugo Chavez needs to try again with his next gimmick. This one is played out.

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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2009, 03:54:10 PM »
Did you conveniently forget that Iraq was still in a state of war with Israel at the time and the attack?

 ::)

bottom line is, you guys feel its ok for israel to do practically ANYTHING, things you would condemn any other nation for, and you hate Iran and see them as a 'threat' but have no idea why.

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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2009, 03:56:00 PM »
Did you conveniently forget that Iraq was still in a state of war with Israel at the time and the attack?

There was never any state of war between Iraq and Israhell
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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2009, 04:15:08 PM »
::)

bottom line is, you guys feel its ok for israel to do practically ANYTHING, things you would condemn any other nation for, and you hate Iran and see them as a 'threat' but have no idea why.

Because if it weren't for big bad Israel, Iran would love us and hug us and squeeze and give us all the oil we want. Are u truly this stupid.
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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2009, 04:17:37 PM »
There was never any state of war between Iraq and Israhell

You're a gimmick because no-one could be as big of a dumb ass and use "Israhell" without being half-joking...

But I'll bite.

Iraq sent armies to battle Israel in 1948, 1967 and helped Jordan defend Damascus during the Israeli counter-attack after the Arabs invaded AGAIN in 1973. Problem is they never signed any armistice like Jordan and Egypt did or a peace agreement like Egypt did. So, they were still at war.

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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2009, 04:18:35 PM »
Because if it weren't for big bad Israel, Iran would love us and hug us and squeeze and give us all the oil we want. Are u truly this stupid.

He has no clue as to what he's talking about. Proven it time and time again.

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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2009, 04:20:41 PM »
You're a gimmick because no-one could be as big of a dumb ass and use "Israhell" without being half-joking...

But I'll bite.

Iraq sent armies to battle Israel in 1948, 1967 and helped Jordan defend Damascus during the Israeli counter-attack after the Arabs invaded AGAIN in 1973. Problem is they never signed any armistice like Jordan and Egypt did or a peace agreement like Egypt did. So, they were still at war.


The surface knowledge of history here is amazing.
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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2009, 04:23:35 PM »
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bottom line is, you guys feel its ok for israel to do practically ANYTHING, things you would condemn any other nation for, and you hate Iran and see them as a 'threat' but have no idea why.

I'm not giving a free pass to Israel, but it isn't like there wasn't any precedent for them to do what they do. Invasions, terrorism by "Palestinians", being driven from their land/homes in the greater Arab world in the 30's40's.....etc etc. Whats changed? Why should they stand down? Have the "Palestinians" stopped launching rockets? Has any Arab nations really committed to peace?

And to top it off,after the Six-Day War they all of a sudden had "Palestinians" that claimed their "land" had been stolen....strange thing was that there was nary a peep about any of this before the Arabs got annihilated,yet again, during another ill-fated campaign to wipe out the Jews.

I see where many on here are coming from, but for one side to completely blame the other side for EVERY PROBLEM is fucking asinine and totally ignorant of the facts. The history and combat that the two peoples has intertwined them.

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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2009, 04:26:37 PM »
To these guys, if they don't see it on MSNBC or quickly read wiki...its just not true. Oh and before u cry FOX news or Faux news or whatever...we generally don't post Oreilly/Hanity videos'  but there sure is plenty of Oberdouche on here.
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Re: What If Israel Strikes Iran
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2009, 04:36:03 PM »
personally i think israel bombing iran without u.s. compliance is a fantasy.

and if bush said no, why the fuck would obama get on board. i don't see it.

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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2009, 04:37:31 PM »
He's not..but there is a different gov in Israel now.
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Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'
 

At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.

Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube.

Another apparently shows a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts.
Detail of the content emerged from Major General Antonio Taguba, the former army officer who conducted an inquiry into the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq.

Allegations of rape and abuse were included in his 2004 report but the fact there were photographs was never revealed. He has now confirmed their existence in an interview with the Daily Telegraph.

The graphic nature of some of the images may explain the US President’s attempts to block the release of an estimated 2,000 photographs from prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan despite an earlier promise to allow them to be published.

Maj Gen Taguba, who retired in January 2007, said he supported the President’s decision, adding: “These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency.

“The mere description of these pictures is horrendous enough, take my word for it.”

The latest photographs relate to 400 cases of alleged abuse between 2001 and 2005 in Abu Ghraib and six other prisons. Mr Obama said the individuals involved had been “identified, and appropriate actions” taken.

Three detainees, including the alleged victim, refer to the use of a phosphorescent tube in the sexual abuse and another to the use of wire, while the victim also refers to part of a policeman’s “stick” all of which were apparently photographed.