At age 85, former president Bush skydives over Maine coast

[Straw Man]

you know whats funny is how alot of libs of late have been yelling about the "hate speech" or whatever you want to call it that lead to some of the nut jobs killing ppl and then you have them on here saying some of the same shit they were yelling about...

which posts on here would send a left wing nut job over the edge to the point where you think it might incite someone to commit murder?

[240 is Back]

More liberal hate speech. 

yet all the shooters seem to come from your empty side of the yard. 

maybe the libs get out their anger by talking shit, and the neocons get out theirs by shooting abortion doctors and starting wars in iraq.

[tonymctones]

which posts on here would send a left wing nut job over the edge to the point where you think it might incite someone to commit murder?

He should've done it WITHOUT the parachute.

[Deicide]

It's too bad that criminals like GW and his father commit their crimes and then go on unpunished to live a life of luxury.

[Dos Equis]

yet all the shooters seem to come from your empty side of the yard. 

maybe the libs get out their anger by talking shit, and the neocons get out theirs by shooting abortion doctors and starting wars in iraq.

How idiotic.    So the guy who murdered "Tiller the Baby Killer" was a "necon"?  Along with the other three or four nuts in the past 40 or 50 years who have murdered abortion doctors?  (Rhetorical questions.)

 

[Dos Equis]

It's okay tony.  They're only joking.  Just like the prop 8 protesters who talked about violence and murder. 

[tonymctones]

It's okay tony.  They're only joking.  Just like the prop 8 protesters who talked about violence and murder. 

just like i said in the other thread about those dudes screaming and getting in ppls faces for peacefully rallying for mccain/palin sorry man if they were in my face id bash some skulls and then the libs on this board would demonize me...LOL  dont come talking shit and act suprised when i crack your skull

lib hate speech could be looked at as just as culpable by the libs standard they no doubtedly added full to the fire by using such inflametory language how do you guys know it wasnt that, that caused these nut jobs to blow their corks?

[Al Doggity]

im not suprised you still dont understand and want to draw a line between the shit some liberals were complaining about and the shit that i pointed out that is the same thing.

whether it was meant to be a serious discussion or not doesnt mean that the responses werent honest or serious...

Yes, whether or not the discussion was serious does determine whether or not the posts are inflammatory. It's a pretty important distinction. Tone and context matter whether you want to believe it or not.

He should've done it WITHOUT the parachute.

You believe this would incite violence? Really?

[Dos Equis]

just like i said in the other thread about those dudes screaming and getting in ppls faces for peacefully rallying for mccain/palin sorry man if they were in my face id bash some skulls and then the libs on this board would demonize me...LOL  dont come talking shit and act suprised when i crack your skull

lib hate speech could be looked at as just as culpable by the libs standard they no doubtedly added full to the fire by using such inflametory language how do you guys know it wasnt that, that caused these nut jobs to blow their corks?

Good points.  Although . . . I don't think liberal or right wing hate speech incite violence.  If a person is going to commit a crime they're not going to do it because they read something on a message board or watch some TV commentator ranting about something (insert eye roll).

But what we do see is utter hypocrisy by liberals when it comes to hate speech, censorship, demonizing opposing viewpoints, etc.  Very predictable.     

[Straw Man]

how does saying he should have done it without a parachute incite violence.  If anything (and this is a stretch) it's a suggestion to commit suicide.  Mostly it's just a lame remark.  I'm sure you can find left wing hate speach but you're just grasping at straws here

you know whats funny is how alot of libs of late have been yelling about the "hate speech" or whatever you want to call it that lead to some of the nut jobs killing ppl and then you have them on here saying some of the same shit they were yelling about...

[tonymctones]

Yes, whether or not the discussion was serious does determine whether or not the posts are inflammatory. It's a pretty important distinction. Tone and context matter whether you want to believe it or not.


You believe this would incite violence? Really?

to a nut job, yea it could...and as we have all agreed the ppl that commit these types of actions are what?













NUT JOBSSSSSSSS.......GET IT?

[tonymctones]

how does saying he should have done it without a parachute incite violence.  If anything (and this is a stretch) it's a suggestion to commit suicide.  Mostly it's just a lame remark.  I'm sure you can find left wing hate speach but you're just grasping at straws here

or a suggestion that he wishes he was DEAD...get it?

LOL i agree its a lame and stupid remark aint not doubt about that shit...

[Straw Man]

or a suggestion that he wishes he was DEAD...get it?

LOL i agree its a lame and stupid remark aint not doubt about that shit...

no I don't get it.   

lame remark = yes

hate speech designed to incite violence = no

[tonymctones]

no I don't get it.   

lame remark = yes

hate speech designed to incite violence = no

LOL but tiller the baby killer is?

slapper just said that basically he wishes bush1 was dead...

my point is that nut jobs are nut jobs and to a nut job either one could incite violence and if youre going to condemn one then be consistent and condemn both...

[Al Doggity]

LOL but tiller the baby killer is?

slapper just said that basically he wishes bush1 was dead...

my point is that nut jobs are nut jobs and to a nut job either one could incite violence and if youre going to condemn one then be consistent and condemn both...

This is  a terrible argument. You could include any word that's ever been spoken in this argument.

Slapper made one post that could not be  construed as anything but a joke. Roeder belonged to a movement that took itself very seriously and frequently acted out its beliefs in very extreme ways.

I'm not even making the argument that hate speech and crime are necessarily linked, but your argument is getting  so reductive that it doesn't make sense. There are obv. significant differences between Slapper and the anti-abortion movement.

[Decker]

I don't recall reading any posts of his that have attempted to incite violence.  


The funny thing about that thread is that there are still more threats of violence from the anti-abortion posters.   Of course, Billy Mimnaugh managed to out-crazy everyone.

Do you really think that thread was intended to encourage murders of anti-abortionists? At one point the discussion turned to which would be the better way to kill them; ovens, cyanide or Zyclon-b. Do you honestly think that was meant to be a serious discussion? Incidentally, Goatboy's posts are usually pretty conservative.

BTW, I'm not sure I even understand what your point is supposed to be. This is a pretty casual discussion board where anyone can post anything they want. Unless you find inflammatory posts from a liberal poster who actually blasted the right for being inflammatory, I'm not sure where I am supposed to see the irony or hypocrisy. This whole line of debate is a straw man. The issue was never that ALL liberals are full of love and compassion and incapable of any dark emotions. It was the hard to ignore perception that the hate and propaganda spewing from the right is just so much louder and more consistent. That thread you linked is a perfect example. Look at the difference in posting styles between the two views.

I enjoy reading your posts.  One of the reasons I've cut my time on these boards down is b/c I'm tired of the stream of rightwing crap, projection and nonsense that substitutes for discussion.

Your observations are accurate and your commentary is thoughtful.  That speaks volumes in a forum marked by hyperbole from reactionaries.

[tonymctones]

This is  a terrible argument. You could include any word that's ever been spoken in this argument.

Slapper made one post that could not be  construed as anything but a joke. Roeder belonged to a movement that took itself very seriously and frequently acted out its beliefs in very extreme ways.

I'm not even making the argument that hate speech and crime are necessarily linked, but your argument is getting  so reductive that it doesn't make sense. There are obv. significant differences between Slapper and the anti-abortion movement.

LOL i agree with you but me and you my friend are SANE!!!!!!! the ppl commiting these heinious actions are NOT!!!!!!! a person who is INSANE could be driven to action by slappers words....just like you say they were by oreilly and operation rescue ppl...A SANE person understands the difference so its not the "inflametory" or "inciting" speech thats to blame its the fuking NUT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My point was not to prove that slappers posts where inciting violence it was to show the plain idiocy of trying to pawn someones elses actions off on another persons words.....i assume you get my point now....

[Slapper]

Got nothing but love and respect for the Bushes (no pun intended).

And so do MILLIONS of other human beings on this planet.

I still say he should've done it without the parachute. Hell, he's gotta be around eighty something... he's got the Finish Line in front of him. If you've got the balls you jump when you're 20 and you've got everything to lose.

He should've used that big lump of lard Limbaugh as a weightdown too.

[Slapper]

LOL but tiller the baby killer is?

slapper just said that basically he wishes bush1 was dead...

No I didn't.

I insinuated so, but I made it ABUNDANTLY clear that it is a decision BUSH SR ought to take (via jumping out of a plane without a parachute), and not someone else.

Capisci?

There is a subtle difference.

Now, point your finger in another direction.

[tonymctones]

LOL i agree with you but me and you my friend are SANE!!!!!!! the ppl commiting these heinious actions are NOT!!!!!!! a person who is INSANE could be driven to action by slappers words....just like you say they were by oreilly and operation rescue ppl...A SANE person understands the difference so its not the "inflametory" or "inciting" speech thats to blame its the fuking NUT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My point was not to prove that slappers posts where inciting violence it was to show the plain idiocy of trying to pawn someones elses actions off on another persons words.....i assume you get my point now....

Ill refer you back to this post slapper

[Slapper]

Ill refer you back to this post slapper

All right, let me bring it down a few notches.

You said: "slapper just said that basically he wishes bush1 was dead".

I REPEAT: I did not say that. I Insinuated it.

Had you said: "Slapper insinuated that he wishes Bush1's parachute had failed or he had committed suicide" I would've gone "ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! We've got a wiener!".

[tonymctones]

All right, let me bring it down a few notches.

You said: "slapper just said that basically he wishes bush1 was dead".

I REPEAT: I did not say that. I Insinuated it.

Had you said: "Slapper insinuated that he wishes Bush1's parachute had failed or he had committed suicide" I would've gone "ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! We've got a wiener!".

LOL you got to be shitting me you retard its the same fuking thing and was not my point

you insinuated you wanted him dead...better?

[Straw Man]

LOL but tiller the baby killer is?

slapper just said that basically he wishes bush1 was dead...

my point is that nut jobs are nut jobs and to a nut job either one could incite violence and if youre going to condemn one then be consistent and condemn both...

wishing someone were dead (really he just suggested that Bush commit suicide) on an obscure message board is not the same thing as having a national platform and repeatedly calling someone a killer when they are a law abiding citizen.   I'm sure you can see the difference

[Straw Man]

I enjoy reading your posts.  One of the reasons I've cut my time on these boards down is b/c I'm tired of the stream of rightwing crap, projection and nonsense that substitutes for discussion.

Your observations are accurate and your commentary is thoughtful.  That speaks volumes in a forum marked by hyperbole from reactionaries.

Decker,

Once again, I'm in full agreement with you on the level of discourse on this board.  I enjoy talking with people with whom I don't agree and I try to remain open to the idea that I could be wrong or that I could change my opinion based on new information.   I don't see much of that from many others on this board and at some point it just becomes a tedious waste of time and no longer entertaining or informative

[Deicide]

Decker,

Once again, I'm in full agreement with you on the level of discourse on this board.  I enjoy talking with people with whom I don't agree and I try to remain open to the idea that I could be wrong or that I could change my opinion based on new information.   I don't see much of that from many others on this board and at some point it just becomes a tedious waste of time and no longer entertaining or informative

Remember BB still believes in WMD...