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Which makes anything we do....worthless. Once again the UN fails. The NK gov isn't gonna suffer, their military isn't gonna suffer much...Barry can take some more money, thats about it. Now what?


By Peter S. Green and Bill Varner

June 13 (Bloomberg) -- China warned about the dangers involved in inspecting North Korean cargo under United Nations Security Council sanctions approved yesterday, saying countries intercepting vessels should avoid armed action.

“Under no circumstance should there be the use of force or the threat of use of force” in implementing the sanctions in Resolution 1874, Chinese Ambassador Zhang Yesui said in New York. Inspecting vessels carrying North Korean cargo is “complicated” and “sensitive,” he said.

The Security Council voted 15 to O to punish North Korea for its May nuclear-bomb test and missile launches. The resolution authorizes stepped-up inspection of air or sea cargoes suspected of being destined for the development of nuclear arms or ballistic missiles. The measure also calls for new restrictions on loans and money transfers to North Korea.

China’s support for the penalties may be significant given its close political and trade ties with the reclusive North Korean regime of Kim Jong Il. The U.S. is especially concerned about preventing North Korea from selling its nuclear technology to other countries.

U.S. Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice said at a White House briefing that the sanctions have “teeth that will bite.” She pointed out that the resolution doesn’t authorize the use of military force.

The U.S. is prepared to “confront” a vessel suspected of carrying an illegal shipment and attempt to board it “consensually,” Rice told reporters. If the crew refuses a boarding or to go to a nearby port for an inspection, the U.S. would make clear “whose vessel it is” and the likely cargo, “to shine a spotlight on it, to make it very difficult for that contraband to continue to be carried forward,” Rice added.

China, Russia Support

The UN vote followed almost three weeks of negotiations on tighter sanctions that began when North Korea detonated a suspected nuclear device on May 25, voided the 1953 armistice ending the Korean War and tested several missiles. Accord on the text by China and Russia, which have resisted sanctions, led to the Security Council consensus.

“The additional measures are substantive and targeted in nature and clearly tied to ending the DPRK program to create nuclear missiles,” Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said after the vote. “The attempt by the DPRK to create nuclear missiles not only doesn’t strengthen security but on the contrary ratchets up tension on the Korean peninsula.”

Churkin said his country was satisfied by the unanimous adoption of the resolution against the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, or DPRK. He said the Russians made sure that the provisions for checking ships on the high seas wouldn’t set a precedent, and that he hoped the resolution would steer North Korea back to six-party nuclear disarmament talks.

Resolution’s ‘Bite’

“It is significant that China and Russia are willing to increase the language on interdiction and financial sanctions, but the resolution will not have that much bite if there is no implementation,” Nicholas Szechenyi of the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies said.

Szechenyi said that while enforcement by China is critical to the resolution’s effectiveness, the government in Beijing likely will be reluctant to further provoke North Korea in the midst of a tenuous political situation involving the possible succession to Kim’s dictatorship.

“Though North Korea’s recent behavior has angered the Chinese, causing them to lose face, you might suspect they would opt against enforcing the strongest measures,” Szechenyi said. “I would not expect them to take the lead and, without that, this is something that North Korea could well ignore.”

‘Acutely Concerned’

Ambassador Stephen Bosworth, the American special envoy on North Korea, said this week that China is “acutely concerned about what North Korea is doing,” and that the U.S. is satisfied that China is working to rein in North Korea’s behavior.

The measure “cuts off a significant source of funding for the North Korean nuclear and missile programs,” said Philip Parham, U.K. deputy envoy to the UN. “This is not directed against trade and should have no effect on the already hard- pressed people of North Korea.”

The UN’s previously adopted embargo on tanks, artillery and other heavy weapons would be expanded, and the measure asks for vigilance in the sale of light arms to the regime.

On the money front, member nations are urged “not to enter into new commitments for grants, financial assistance, or concessional loans,” or to “provide public financial support for trade” with North Korea.

If North Korea reacts to the strengthened sanctions by testing a third nuclear device or launching another long-range missile, “we’d take it badly,” Parham said.

Nonproliferation Treaty

The resolution “condemns” the May 25 detonation, and demands that North Korea halt its nuclear and ballistic missile programs. The government in Pyongyang also should remain a part to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and rejoin talks with China, Russia, Japan, South Korea and the U.S.

Bosworth said this week that the U.S. is considering targeting North Korean financial deposits held in other countries as part of the effort to compel the regime to change its behavior.

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Re: China Warns Against Force in Carrying Out North Korea Sanctions
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2009, 05:49:15 PM »
Honestly, could the UN be any more worthless? I can't think of the last positive thing they accomplished.

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Re: China Warns Against Force in Carrying Out North Korea Sanctions
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2009, 05:57:19 PM »
The article is actually funny...‘Acutely Concerned’...at what point do we drop moronic phrases and get serious. If china isn't all in, its all bullshit.
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Re: China Warns Against Force in Carrying Out North Korea Sanctions
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2009, 05:59:02 PM »
What would you recommend HH6?

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Re: China Warns Against Force in Carrying Out North Korea Sanctions
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 05:59:34 PM »
The article is actually funny...‘Acutely Concerned’...at what point do we drop moronic phrases and get serious. If china isn't all in, its all bullshit.

All the UN does regarding every conflict is talk. I find it amusing. Darfur, Bangladesh, Pakistan, etc, etc. Most useless organization on the planet.   ::)

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Re: China Warns Against Force in Carrying Out North Korea Sanctions
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2009, 06:10:02 PM »
What would you recommend HH6?



I think this could have been avoided had we wacked the missile a month or so ago. Barry has no move. They're gonna seize money..ok. They'll put em back on the list..ok. Bush did this crap and then threw em a bone. They complied for a bit then Barry came in and they tested him and won and are now doing what they're doing. Barry has to find out what China wants...

" Until Beijing decides to get tough on North Korea, nothing happens. China keeps North Korea on a lifeline, viewing the famine-plagued land of routine horrors as a potential economic slave-state, once the Kim dynasty disintegrates. Beijing's been confident that it's ultimately in control of the neighborhood nukes.

Now the Chinese are having second thoughts: By allowing North Korea to go nuke, Beijing made a mistake similar to our own in backing the worst Islamist elements against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

We thought we could manage the Mujaheddin. China thought it could control the North Koreans. Now the dark-suited men in Beijing aren't so sure.

Toss them the football. We've got enough to do.

A pervasive flaw in Obama's approach to all foreign-policy problems is his chattering-class conviction that individuals and states will behave rationally in a crisis. History suggests otherwise (does Kim Jong-Il look rational to you?). But Obama lives in a world of contractual relations, the realm of the Harvard Law Revie"..Ralp Peters.

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Re: China Warns Against Force in Carrying Out North Korea Sanctions
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2009, 06:51:51 PM »


I think this could have been avoided had we wacked the missile a month or so ago. Barry has no move. They're gonna seize money..ok. They'll put em back on the list..ok. Bush did this crap and then threw em a bone. They complied for a bit then Barry came in and they tested him and won and are now doing what they're doing. Barry has to find out what China wants...

" Until Beijing decides to get tough on North Korea, nothing happens. China keeps North Korea on a lifeline, viewing the famine-plagued land of routine horrors as a potential economic slave-state, once the Kim dynasty disintegrates. Beijing's been confident that it's ultimately in control of the neighborhood nukes.

Now the Chinese are having second thoughts: By allowing North Korea to go nuke, Beijing made a mistake similar to our own in backing the worst Islamist elements against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

We thought we could manage the Mujaheddin. China thought it could control the North Koreans. Now the dark-suited men in Beijing aren't so sure.

Toss them the football. We've got enough to do.

A pervasive flaw in Obama's approach to all foreign-policy problems is his chattering-class conviction that individuals and states will behave rationally in a crisis. History suggests otherwise (does Kim Jong-Il look rational to you?). But Obama lives in a world of contractual relations, the realm of the Harvard Law Revie"..Ralp Peters.



What about whacking the missile would have changed this?

I'm just trying to figure out how that would have kept anything from changing? Wouldn't that just be prolonging the showdown anyway? As long as China is protecting NK, then there's nothing the US could do about it at all unless we're all ready for a war.

Which I don't think any of us are... especially with China.

So I ask you genuinely, what could President Obama have done, and how would it have had a positive outcome?

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Re: China Warns Against Force in Carrying Out North Korea Sanctions
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 08:33:18 PM »
The U.S. can't continue to do all the heavy lifting for the wprld....the world can't police itself..and our allies are basically worthless in a crunch

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Re: China Warns Against Force in Carrying Out North Korea Sanctions
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2009, 06:11:56 AM »
We can do two things:

1. We can arm the UN and really make it a democratic institution in which each country has a voice and a vote. NO VETO POWER allowed. Or...

2. We can let the world's superpower run amock for about 8 years destroying sovereign countries (with the help of the UK and 8 other allies whose territory is no bigger than the Secaucus swamp), all while emptying and sidestepping the UN, and then bitch and moan when they do not want to act.

Kim knows the UN is devoid of any real power and is acting to infuriate the US, which, at this point, has no brownie points with anyone (Obama is trying to restore some of that lost friendship) especially China, and we find ourselves with another country getting in line to attack the US. Now we've got two countries with nukes and the capacity to deliver them to any US city.

Great job trigger-happy crackers!




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Re: China Warns Against Force in Carrying Out North Korea Sanctions
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2009, 08:48:48 AM »
How could anyone think anything was gonna to happen other than North Korea getting nukes?

that's foolish.  Only 2 ways they don't get nukes, We invade or China invades.

THe UN, the negotiations, BUSH, Clinton, Obama.  It don't matter. 

North Korea is saying F U. We are getting nukes and there isn't dam thing you will do about it.

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Re: China Warns Against Force in Carrying Out North Korea Sanctions
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2009, 03:44:07 PM »
Could South Korea handle a NK attack?

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Re: China Warns Against Force in Carrying Out North Korea Sanctions
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2009, 05:23:03 PM »
Could South Korea handle a NK attack?





Nope...they would be overrun quickly in the first few days of any war...Seoul would be reduced to rubble and the SK would have massive casualties within the first few days.....SK along with the U.S. would retaliate and inflict massive casualties on NK as well....but NK will ask the U'N' for a ceasefire and will be backed by China and Russia because they don't want the U.S. to have troops on NK soil...also Kim will want his regime to survive..China would probably invade to stop U.S. and SK