Dorian Vs Jay ( Ronnie says Dorian is better )

[Griffith]

 

[Hulkster]

those shots of Jay probably surpass dorian's front shots..

but Jay's back gets crushed by dorian, who had the second best back ever.

Jay has the 343049583857904508934234 5345389038'd best back ever.

[Big_Tymer]

from the front (which is the most important) jay wins every time except 93

[Royal Lion]

This entire thread is a complete insult to Dorian.  It is a toss up between Ronnie and Dorian, but Jay?  Come on.  He doesn't have near the quality of mass and conditioning that Dorian did.  And that goes for every single pose.

[NarcissisticDeity]

from the front (which is the most important) jay wins every time except 93

The front is the most important huh? thanks for sharing that tidbit of ignorance

I'll let you in on bit of a secret , everything is the ' most important ' 

in every single pose in every single round ALL of the criteria is assessed at once .

[Big_Tymer]

The front is the most important huh? thanks for sharing that tidbit of ignorance

I'll let you in on bit of a secret , everything is the ' most important ' 

in every single pose in every single round ALL of the criteria is assessed at once .

so having good glutes are as important as having a good chest or arms? 

[The_Hammer]

The only thing Jay has on Dorian are quads.

[suckmymuscle]

The only thing Jay has on Dorian are quads.

  And serratus and pec fullness. Depending on year. At the 96 Olympia Dorian's serratus were better than Gay Gutler's, meaning that Gay only had quads as a better bodypart than Dorian. The only thing that ever impressed me about Gay was his incredible pec fullness at the 06' Olympia: it looked like a fucking knight's armor.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Sherief Shalaby]

The only thing Jay has on Dorian are quads.

jays quads are only bigger than dorians but dorian's look better imo..

[The_Hammer]

  And serratus and pec fullness. Depending on year. At the 96 Olympia Dorian's serratus were better than Gay Gutler's, meaning that Gay only had quads as a better bodypart than Dorian. The only thing that ever impressed me about Gay was his incredible pec fullness at the 06' Olympia: it looked like a fucking knight's armor.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Yeah Jay's pecs look fuller, but that's because his contest conditioning his like Dorian's 9 weeks out.  When Jay flexes his pecs nothing happens, but Dorian had all kinds of striations and seperation in his chest.

It's hard for any bodybuilder to beat this physique.

[NarcissisticDeity]

so having good glutes are as important as having a good chest or arms? 

having a good everything is important , and the general consensus is Flex would have beat Ronnie in 1998 if he had sharper glutes and hams so in an essence they were important that year it's the little details that separate one from another with all other things being ' equal '

[Mr Nobody]

having a good everything is important , and the general consensus is Flex would have beat Ronnie in 1998 if he had sharper glutes and hams so in an essence they were important that year it's the little details that separate one from another with all other things being ' equal '

Dorina still rules..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Strictly going by the IFBB judging criteria Dorian would beat any Mr Olympia winner before him and after him , they talk about the sport has progressed lol it's digressed

[Mr Nobody]

Strictly going by the IFBB judging criteria Dorian would beat any Mr Olympia winner before him and after him , they talk about the sport has progressed lol it's digressed

If dorian was injury free he will still be winning the O

[NarcissisticDeity]

If dorian was injury free he will still be winning the O

Ronnie seems to think so

[Hulkster]

Strictly going by the IFBB judging criteria Dorian would beat any Mr Olympia winner before him and after him , they talk about the sport has progressed lol it's digressed

yeah, because the judging was so bad during his reign dorian shows up fat, missing one arm, and the judges still give him a perfect score..

 

[Hulkster]

and the general consensus is Flex would have beat Ronnie in 1998 if he had sharper glutes and hams so in an essence they were important that year it's the little details that separate one from another with all other things being ' equal

completely wrong.

the 'general consensus' was that Flex was going to win the show going in - not ronnie - as evidenced by the fact that Ronnie was not in the first callout and still won the contest, something that had not happened in years and years.

problem was, once the judges saw how good ronnie really was (not just the glutes and hams - check the pics) it was game over for flex. and Ronnie's score went way up. he was overlooked a bit at first, even at the contest that he eventually won.

Ronnie crushed flex in most areas, not just glutes and hams.

[Hulkster]

Ronnie seems to think so

he knows IFBB politics.

so do most fans.

you don't.

[Hulkster]

Strictly going by the IFBB judging criteria Dorian would beat any Mr Olympia winner before him and after him

biggest load of bullshit ever.

strictly going by IFBB criteria dorian would have lost to a peak ronnie even at his best.

see the truce thread that you ran away from for an in depth discussion.

so no, dorian would not have beaten any mr. o after him.

maybe Dex and Jay, but sure as hell not a peak ronnie.

only delusional morons like yourself think that..

[NarcissisticDeity]

biggest load of bullshit ever.

strictly going by IFBB criteria dorian would have lost to a peak ronnie even at his best.

see the truce thread that you ran away from for an in depth discussion.

so no, dorian would not have beaten any mr. o after him.

maybe Dex and Jay, but sure as hell not a peak ronnie.

only delusional morons like yourself think that..

You didn't know and still don't know the IFBB judging criteria , peak Ronnie loses he's still smaller , not as hard or as dry or as balanced and his posing sucks , old news

I beat you in the truce thread kid case closed which is why little Hulkster the lost puppy follows me around because even his own hero says Doian would have beaten at his best


keep proving me right fan boy I own you like Dorian owned Ronnie

[NarcissisticDeity]

completely wrong.

the 'general consensus' was that Flex was going to win the show going in - not ronnie - as evidenced by the fact that Ronnie was not in the first callout and still won the contest, something that had not happened in years and years.

problem was, once the judges saw how good ronnie really was (not just the glutes and hams - check the pics) it was game over for flex. and Ronnie's score went way up. he was overlooked a bit at first, even at the contest that he eventually won.

Ronnie crushed flex in most areas, not just glutes and hams.

The consensus AFTER THE FACT you idiot not before hand. and Yes no matter how much you'd like to type to the contrary 1998 was and still is one of the closest contests in IFBB history , Ronnie won because he had tighter hams/glutes period

Flex himself said if he showed up looking like he did at that years Arnold he would have beaten Ronnie , Ronnie was awesome that year no doubt a deserved winner but make no mistake Ronnie was lucky in 98 lucky he was on and lucky Flex wasn't


Ronnie at his admited BEST Olympia showing just barely squeeks out a win in one of the closet Mr Olympia contests EVER against a lest than stella Flex , Dorian beat Flex in 1993 not at his absolute best but pretty damn close and he wasn't even close , Dorian was so far ahead the judges said forget the muscularity round it's redundant ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Dorian 1993 Olympia would trample peak Ronnie 1998 , 1999 Ronnie shows up 7 pounds heavier with an ill effect on his density and he would be left for dead by a hard as nails and dry Yates

Flex 1993 says Dorian is unbeatable , Flex 1999 says turns his back on Ronnie and says he's number one LMFAO peak Ronnie bites the dust

[NarcissisticDeity]

he knows IFBB politics.

so do most fans.

you don't.

yeah Ronnie knows the IFBB politics 2000/2001/2002/2004 lol

[Royal Lion]

Lol...Yates clearly owns Hulkster's mind - here he is in another Dorian thread making ignorant statements.  Give it up Hulkster, Dorian was just as awesome as Ronnie; you are the most delusional person on this board.  Even those who justifiably think Ronnie was better still admit Dorian was great.

Jay could never touch the quality combination of mass & condition that Yates consistently displayed. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Lol...Yates clearly owns Hulkster's mind - here he is in another Dorian thread making ignorant statements.  Give it up Hulkster, Dorian was just as awesome as Ronnie; you are the most delusional person on this board.  Even those who justifiably think Ronnie was better still admit Dorian was great.

Jay could never touch the quality combination of mass & condition that Yates consistently displayed. 

He hates the fact that Dorian dominated in a way Ronnie didn't
He hates the fact Dorian was so far & above everyone else in 1993 he didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round
He hates the fact that despite the closeness in age Dorian always beat Ronnie
He hates the fact that Ronnie at his very best had his hands full with Flex Wheeler a guy Dorian destroyed
He hates the fact that his very own hero even after he became 8 time Mr Olympia still said he could not beat Dorian
He hates the fact Dorian had much better conditioning
He hates the fact Dorian even at his worse was much better than his contemporaries and Ronnie was beaten
He hates the fact I kicked his fucking ass in the Truce Thread and walked away in victory while he's relegated to chasing me around bad mouthing where I work lmao

[Hulkster]

Flowerboy is melting down!

so is Royal Pain!

they type all the words, yet none are backed up by real life!

eg.

peak Ronnie loses he's still smaller , not as hard or as dry or as balanced and his posing sucks

total bullshit. Ronnie 99 is 257 pounds (same size), way more ripped, striated, just as dry and no major proportion issues at all (even his calves don't look undersized, unlike dorian's twig arms!):

all your bullshit cannot overcome real life:

note the perfect proportions of Ronnie's 99 form: no balance issues what so ever.

unlike mr twigs on a barrel, who would just barely beat Jay, getting owned fromt the front, but winning from the back.

it would be nasser vs dorian all over again.