Author Topic: Dorian Vs Jay ( Ronnie says Dorian is better ) (Read 35243 times)

Royal Lion · « **Reply #150 on:** June 16, 2009, 09:48:53 PM »

Quote from: England_1 on June 16, 2009, 09:15:29 PM

The difference in condition between Flex and Yates here is staggering. Just look at the skin on the legs...Dorian is peeled, bone dry. Flex looks soft and soggy in comparison

And yet this Flex is much better than the version that Ronnie barely beat in 98. Further proof that Dorian was at least as good as Ronnie.

delta9mda · « **Reply #151 on:** June 17, 2009, 06:12:22 AM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 16, 2009, 07:04:13 PM

lol how stupid.

Ronnie 98 barely beat Wheeler only because the judges overlooked him in the early rounds -and Flex gained a lot of points on name value alone..

look what happened in 99 when the judges didnt give a shit about Flex and his momentum going in.

he got crushed by ronnie even worse than dorian crushed him..

use your head before you post next time.

meltdown. go to a pro show for once then talk judging to me. ive seen both ron and Dorian live and in person, on stage at diff times. Yates wins and owns you.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #152 on:** June 17, 2009, 06:25:48 AM »

Quote from: delta9mda on June 17, 2009, 06:12:22 AM

meltdown. go to a pro show for once then talk judging to me. ive seen both ron and Dorian live and in person, on stage at diff times. Yates wins and owns you.

Ha ha ha ha Hulkster owned yet again by someone who was actually there , bye bye internet-fan-boy

Gino30 · « **Reply #153 on:** June 17, 2009, 06:38:02 AM »

Quote from: polychronopolous on June 13, 2009, 04:57:16 PM

I expect this thread to go 1500 pages.

lol

sad isn't it........

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #154 on:** June 17, 2009, 07:25:36 AM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on June 16, 2009, 09:48:53 PM

And yet this Flex is much better than the version that Ronnie barely beat in 98. Further proof that Dorian was at least as good as Ronnie.

Damn Yates on again hands down

Royal Lion · « **Reply #155 on:** June 17, 2009, 10:48:33 AM »

Quote from: delta9mda on June 17, 2009, 06:12:22 AM

meltdown. go to a pro show for once then talk judging to me. ive seen both ron and Dorian live and in person, on stage at diff times. Yates wins and owns you.

I wish I would have seen Dorian compete

I attended the Mr. O from 02-06 and had the opportunity to see Ronnie. In 02 he wasn't very impressive at all; however 03-05 he was by far the best competitor on stage with exception of his midsection.

What year did you see Dorian?

It is funny how Hulkster and Co. base their expert analysis on nothing but comparison pics from different shows. I have no problem with someone preferring Ronnie to Dorian, however, to discredit Dorian's accomplishments is absurd.

Grape Ape · « **Reply #156 on:** June 17, 2009, 11:19:33 AM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on June 17, 2009, 10:48:33 AM

I wish I would have seen Dorian compete I attended the Mr. O from 02-06 and had the opportunity to see Ronnie. In 02 he wasn't very impressive at all; however 03-05 he was by far the best competitor on stage with exception of his midsection.

What year did you see Dorian?

It is funny how Hulkster and Co. base their expert analysis on nothing but comparison pics from different shows. I have no problem with someone preferring Ronnie to Dorian, however, to discredit Dorian's accomplishments is absurd.

I saw Dorian in '96 in Chicago. When the competitors walked out, there were murmurs in the crowd about how good Nasser looked. When they were compared from the back, all of that stopped. It wasn't even close. I know there's one shot that gets shown over and over again with Nasser in the middle doing a rear lat spread that the naysayers like to use to counter this, but it just wasn't the case. Yates' advantage from the back was much, much more than Nasser's advantage from the front.

I also saw his NOC win, and saw him guest pose in Boston at 305. His smallest bodypart was his head at the guest posing. He looked like a cartoon.

delta9mda · « **Reply #157 on:** June 17, 2009, 11:23:46 AM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on June 17, 2009, 10:48:33 AM

I wish I would have seen Dorian compete I attended the Mr. O from 02-06 and had the opportunity to see Ronnie. In 02 he wasn't very impressive at all; however 03-05 he was by far the best competitor on stage with exception of his midsection.

What year did you see Dorian?

It is funny how Hulkster and Co. base their expert analysis on nothing but comparison pics from different shows. I have no problem with someone preferring Ronnie to Dorian, however, to discredit Dorian's accomplishments is absurd.

Mr. Olympia 1991, Mr. Olympia 1995. saw Ronnie at the 07 and 08 Mr. Olympias. talked with Yates at the 09 ASC.

NeoSeminole · « **Reply #158 on:** June 17, 2009, 12:12:56 PM »

I thought this thread was about Dorian vs Jay?

Hulkster · « **Reply #159 on:** June 17, 2009, 01:49:57 PM »

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Keg midsection? Right...

yes, its exactly right:

Hulkster · « **Reply #160 on:** June 17, 2009, 01:51:38 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on June 17, 2009, 10:48:33 AM

I wish I would have seen Dorian compete I attended the Mr. O from 02-06 and had the opportunity to see Ronnie. In 02 he wasn't very impressive at all; however 03-05 he was by far the best competitor on stage with exception of his midsection.

What year did you see Dorian?

It is funny how Hulkster and Co. base their expert analysis on nothing but comparison pics from different shows. I have no problem with someone preferring Ronnie to Dorian, however, to discredit Dorian's accomplishments is absurd.

you might be interested in what a fellow getbigger who has seen BOTH dorian and ronnie compete has to say:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0

hahahaha dorian owned as always

Hulkster · « **Reply #161 on:** June 17, 2009, 01:52:45 PM »

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Of course directly.
And I have seen him competing directly 1994 and 1996.

And I say

Dorian is not in the league of Ronnie.
Best Ronnie was from the outer space.
No competition.

Now I want to be criticized about my opinion by the people who has seen Dorian competing directly ONLY.
Are there anyone else here?

FlowerBoy and Royal Pain on suicide watch!

kyomu · « **Reply #162 on:** June 17, 2009, 02:31:38 PM »

Unlike people, i think Jays best shape is more complete than Dorian.

delta9mda · « **Reply #163 on:** June 17, 2009, 02:38:40 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 17, 2009, 01:51:38 PM

you might be interested in what a fellow getbigger who has seen BOTH dorian and ronnie compete has to say:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0

hahahaha dorian owned as always

ummm, i already stated that i have seen them both in competition. Ronnie got owned while being Mr. Olympia. Yates never had that going for him

Baum · « **Reply #164 on:** June 17, 2009, 02:54:57 PM »

btw who is this midget

kyomu · « **Reply #165 on:** June 17, 2009, 02:57:13 PM »

Quote from: delta9mda on June 17, 2009, 02:38:40 PM

ummm, i already stated that i have seen them both in competition. Ronnie got owned while being Mr. Olympia. Yates never had that going for him

Flavio Baccianini

Royal Lion · « **Reply #166 on:** June 17, 2009, 03:59:05 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 17, 2009, 01:49:57 PM

yes, its exactly right:

Here are some more keg shots for you, Hulkster.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #167 on:** June 17, 2009, 06:45:34 PM »

Quote from: Grape Ape on June 17, 2009, 11:19:33 AM

I saw Dorian in '96 in Chicago. When the competitors walked out, there were murmurs in the crowd about how good Nasser looked. When they were compared from the back, all of that stopped. It wasn't even close. I know there's one shot that gets shown over and over again with Nasser in the middle doing a rear lat spread that the naysayers like to use to counter this, but it just wasn't the case. Yates' advantage from the back was much, much more than Nasser's advantage from the front.

I also saw his NOC win, and saw him guest pose in Boston at 305. His smallest bodypart was his head at the guest posing. He looked like a cartoon.

Great post Hulkster is owned Yet again

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #168 on:** June 17, 2009, 06:56:11 PM »

Quote from: delta9mda on June 17, 2009, 02:38:40 PM

ummm, i already stated that i have seen them both in competition. Ronnie got owned while being Mr. Olympia. Yates never had that going for him

Hulkster owned yet again lol

johnny1 · « **Reply #169 on:** June 18, 2009, 03:07:33 AM »

Fantastic condationing @ 270lbs.

njflex · « **Reply #170 on:** June 18, 2009, 07:42:59 AM »

THE ironman pro pic of jay looks unreal.big ,big ,dude.muscle was dense and hard there not spongy like now.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #171 on:** June 18, 2009, 08:23:17 AM »

Jay did get in great condition at the Ironman and also at the Arnold. However, he as to compete in the 240s to do so and was matched in size by Chris Cormier. Dorian could was peeled in the high 260s.

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #172 on:** June 18, 2009, 11:19:43 AM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on June 18, 2009, 08:23:17 AM

Jay did get in great condition at the Ironman and also at the Arnold. However, he as to compete in the 240s to do so and was matched in size by Chris Cormier. Dorian could was peeled in the high 260s.

Right on

NeoSeminole · « **Reply #173 on:** June 18, 2009, 12:57:37 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on June 18, 2009, 08:23:17 AM

Jay did get in great condition at the Ironman and also at the Arnold. However, he as to compete in the 240s to do so and was matched in size by Chris Cormier. Dorian could was peeled in the high 260s.

I always see talk about how Dorian still had great conditioning at heavier weights. This may be true, but he looked like ass with torn muscles and a huge midsection. So any advantage he might have in size is lost at the expense of symmetry.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #174 on:** June 18, 2009, 01:05:11 PM »

Quote from: NeoSeminole on June 18, 2009, 12:57:37 PM

I always see talk about how Dorian still had great conditioning at heavier weights. This may be true, but he looked like ass with torn muscles and a huge midsection. So any advantage he might have in size is lost at the expense of symmetry.

I agree that Dorian looked best from 92-95, however, he still looked awesome at heavier weights. Just like Ronnie, the midsection tends to get bigger at the heavier weights, but the size and conditioning was incredible nonetheless. This last pic I posted is just insane.