Author Topic: Dorian Vs Jay ( Ronnie says Dorian is better ) (Read 35235 times)

Hulkster · « **Reply #225 on:** June 20, 2009, 05:26:54 PM »

ND you always desperately resort to quotes, whenever real life visuals own your position

which is almost always.

says alot about the strength of your arguments, doesn't it?

what is funny, is that the quotes, like your posts, never match up to real life either

the visuals always tell a different story: ronnie owning your man love.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #226 on:** June 20, 2009, 05:29:40 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 20, 2009, 05:26:54 PM

ND you always desperately resort to quotes, whenever real life visuals own your position

which is almost always.

says alot about the strength of your arguments, doesn't it?

what is funny, is that the quotes, like your posts, never match up to real life either

the visuals always tell a different story: ronnie owning your man love.

Peter has seen both in REAL LIFE , Dorian has seen Ronnie in REAL LIFE and it's old news Dorian's harder & drier based on REAL LIFE comparisons , what sucks for you is reality owns you and you have nothing else

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

REALITY Dorian owns Ronnie in conditioning it's old news

tendonitis · « **Reply #227 on:** June 20, 2009, 05:42:35 PM »

Quoting Peter McGough (who is not FAT by the way) about Dorian is like asking Ronnie's wife about him. What do you really think he's going to say. He's the ultimate British bodybuilding schmoe. You should hear him gush about that midget Flex Lewis.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #228 on:** June 20, 2009, 05:45:29 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 20, 2009, 05:26:54 PM

ND you always desperately resort to quotes, whenever real life visuals own your position

which is almost always.

says alot about the strength of your arguments, doesn't it?

what is funny, is that the quotes, like your posts, never match up to real life either

the visuals always tell a different story: ronnie owning your man love.

Lol, using a quote from someone who saw them both in person several times and is a bodybuilding expert is much more convincing than posting the bullshit comparisons that you do. That last MM comparison you put up is a prime example -- what the fuck does that prove?

And yes, I know there are plenty of quotes out there from people who prefer Ronnie. Bottom line is that a preference between Ronnie and Dorian is a subjective choice. I understand how and why you prefer Ronnie. However, I cannot understand why you have to constantly resort to insulting Dorian. It makes you look desperate and discredits your opinion greatly.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #229 on:** June 20, 2009, 05:47:37 PM »

Quote from: tendonitis on June 20, 2009, 05:42:35 PM

Quoting Peter McGough (who is not FAT by the way) about Dorian is like asking Ronnie's wife about him. What do you really think he's going to say. He's the ultimate British bodybuilding schmoe. You should hear him gush about that midget Flex Lewis.

Not really and why? because he maintained that the best physique he's seen was ........Ronnie Coleman and if you didn't notice I also said Dorian claimed the obvious , his conditioning is unmatched by Ronnie it's old news but fan-boys don't like facts

so next time do more research before you type or you run the risk of looking as ignorant as these guys and that's bad

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #230 on:** June 20, 2009, 05:49:27 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on June 20, 2009, 05:45:29 PM

Lol, using a quote from someone who saw them both in person several times and is a bodybuilding expert is much more convincing than posting the bullshit comparisons that you do. That last MM comparison you put up is a prime example -- what the fuck does that prove?

And yes, I know there are plenty of quotes out there from people who prefer Ronnie. Bottom line is that a preference between Ronnie and Dorian is a subjective choice. I understand how and why you prefer Ronnie. However, I cannot understand why you have to constantly resort to insulting Dorian. It makes you look desperate and discredits your opinion greatly.

That proves Hulkster is an idiot , that's what that proves , it proves he fears Dorian at his best just like Ronnie Coleman does

Royal Lion · « **Reply #231 on:** June 20, 2009, 05:53:37 PM »

This is the best set of comparisons I have come across.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m3303692-print.aspx

Hulkster · « **Reply #232 on:** June 20, 2009, 06:14:13 PM »

getbiggers have seen both in real life too:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0

and they echo what the visuals do: dorian is not even close to Ronnie at his best..

are you going to sweep this one under the carpet too?

Hulkster · « **Reply #233 on:** June 20, 2009, 06:16:39 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on June 20, 2009, 05:53:37 PM

This is the best set of comparisons I have come across.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m3303692-print.aspx

for 2003 Ronnie which was not his best.

notice how one of the first comments is one that ND hates to hear:

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ronnie in '99 is better tho!!

he hates when people single out 1999 as Ronnie's best, since it goes against what his pal McGough thinks..

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #234 on:** June 20, 2009, 06:21:06 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 20, 2009, 06:16:39 PM

for 2003 Ronnie which was not his best.

notice how one of the first comments is one that ND hates to hear:

he hates when people single out 1999 as Ronnie's best, since it goes against what his pal McGough thinks..

I care less about 1999 it's NOT his best and everyone who knows anything knows this

Ronnie Coleman HIMSELF said 1998 was his best Olympia

that my stupid little friend trumps ANYONE

it must suck to be you , constantly wrong and proven wrong by Ronnie Coleman HIMSELF that's a kick in the balls and that's the reason you follow me around trying to bash me , because I own you all the time

Hulkster · « **Reply #235 on:** June 20, 2009, 06:21:25 PM »

Quote from: Royal Lion on June 20, 2009, 05:53:37 PM

This is the best set of comparisons I have come across.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m3303692-print.aspx

Iceman has done some great ones.

problem for you and flowerboy, is that they show what all the others show:

dorian getting owned.

thats why ND relies on quotes so much : they don't show the visuals, so he can hide behind the words and avoid the reality of the situation.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #236 on:** June 20, 2009, 06:23:31 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 20, 2009, 06:14:13 PM

getbiggers have seen both in real life too:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0

and they echo what the visuals do: dorian is not even close to Ronnie at his best..

are you going to sweep this one under the carpet too?

No need to sweep anything under the carpet kid , this is known as a Royal Flush

interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?

Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.

Jim: You think so?

Ronnie: I know so.

England_1 · « **Reply #237 on:** June 20, 2009, 06:25:03 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 20, 2009, 06:21:25 PM

Iceman has done some great ones.

problem for you and flowerboy, is that they show what all the others show:

dorian getting owned.

thats why ND relies on quotes so much : they don't show the visuals, so he can hide behind the words and avoid the reality of the situation.

Ronnie is getting OWNED severely by Yates in those comparisons. Yates is much, much harder, and bigger.

Yates would easily defeat Ronnie.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #238 on:** June 20, 2009, 06:27:35 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 20, 2009, 06:21:25 PM

Iceman has done some great ones.

problem for you and flowerboy, is that they show what all the others show:

dorian getting owned.

thats why ND relies on quotes so much : they don't show the visuals, so he can hide behind the words and avoid the reality of the situation.

lmao ' great ones ' where Ronnie 1998 has a smaller waist and hips than Dorian at 260 pounds and bigger calves too LMFAO

that is the ONLY place Ronnie is going to beat Dorian in fanciful fan-boy comparisons that have absolutely NO basis in reality .

This is reality

interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?

Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.

Jim: You think so?

Ronnie: I know so.

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #239 on:** June 20, 2009, 06:42:47 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on June 20, 2009, 06:27:35 PM

lmao ' great ones ' where Ronnie 1998 has a smaller waist and hips than Dorian at 260 pounds and bigger calves too LMFAO

that is the ONLY place Ronnie is going to beat Dorian in fanciful fan-boy comparisons that have absolutely NO basis in reality .

This is reality

interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?

Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.

Jim: You think so?

Ronnie: I know so.

And again as in real life dorrian wins!

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #240 on:** June 20, 2009, 08:00:16 PM »

Quote from: Mr Nobody on June 20, 2009, 06:42:47 PM

And again as in real life dorrian wins!

Getbiggers first hand accounts are ' reality ' Ronnie Coleman's isn't lol

Hulkster is always defeated by his own hero , that's exactly why he follows me

Hulkster · « **Reply #241 on:** June 20, 2009, 08:01:41 PM »

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Getbiggers first hand accounts are ' reality ' Ronnie Coleman's isn't lol

yup.

getbiggers comments are based on the physiques.

Ronnie's was a direct comment on the "olympia dynasty" politics of the IFBB

which the whole world seems to know about, except for ND..

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #242 on:** June 20, 2009, 08:06:36 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 20, 2009, 08:01:41 PM

yup.

getbiggers comments are based on the physiques.

Ronnie's was a direct comment on the "olympia dynasty" politics of the IFBB

which the whole world seems to know about, except for ND..

No Ronnie's comments aren't on the Olympia dynasty you quoted that find me where he says that I dare you , you're a liar lol

Ronnie's commenting on Dorian's physique no politics , it must suck to have to make shit up kid

England_1 · « **Reply #243 on:** June 20, 2009, 08:33:43 PM »

Dorian is just MURDERING Ronnie here on dryness, thickness, condition. Ronnie looks soft and small in comparison. Even his traps looks like tubes of sausage

Theoak* · « **Reply #244 on:** June 20, 2009, 08:54:14 PM »

I love dorian but he is absolutely being destroyed in those comparison shots, jeezzzz.

Royal Lion · « **Reply #245 on:** June 20, 2009, 09:08:42 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 20, 2009, 06:21:25 PM

Iceman has done some great ones.

problem for you and flowerboy, is that they show what all the others show:

dorian getting owned.

thats why ND relies on quotes so much : they don't show the visuals, so he can hide behind the words and avoid the reality of the situation.

I'll give Ronnie the MM shot, however, the rest of them are pretty damn close. What's funny though is that this 98 or 99 Ronnie looks much bigger compared to Dorian that a 2003 Ronnie in the link I posted. Weird because the 03 version is 30lbs heavier. I'm not sure these are great comparisons.

My stance has never changed: it is a tossup between these two; Ronnie has his stengths and so does Dorian. I prefer Dorian for his density and freaky conditioning; others prefer Ronnie for his insane volume and separation. However, to claim that one "dominates" the other is absurd and simply ignorant.

That being said I think Dorian had the size and the conditioning to beat a peak Ronnie. Ronnie was what, around 250lbs at his peak? He didn't look much bigger than Flex Wheeler at that weight and had to rely on conditioning to win. Dorian on the other had was fucking peeled at a higher body weight. Thus, IMO he would have more size than Ronnie and would also be more conditioned.

Hulkster · « **Reply #246 on:** June 20, 2009, 09:59:31 PM »

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No Ronnie's comments aren't on the Olympia dynasty you quoted that find me where he says that I dare you , you're a liar lol

you really have no clue do you?

its called understanding what people mean when they speak.

ronnie doesn't have to explicity say "the IFBB was giving gift wins to Mr. Olympias no matter how they looked back then" to understand that that is what he was referring to. everyone except you and your two bitches understand the comment. thats how english works. Its called alluding to something, without explicitly stating it..

you know, I poke fun at how you work with flowers, but man, when you act dumb, I think "no wonder".. $:-\$

Hulkster · « **Reply #247 on:** June 20, 2009, 10:00:23 PM »

Quote from: Theoak* on June 20, 2009, 08:54:14 PM

I love dorian but he is absolutely being destroyed in those comparison shots, jeezzzz.

of course he is.

these idiots are in complete denial..

thats why ND relies on quotes.

real life works against his position.

always will..

England_1 · « **Reply #248 on:** June 20, 2009, 11:11:53 PM »

Ronnie's muscles are like a sausage...full but SOFT

Mr.1derful · « **Reply #249 on:** June 21, 2009, 05:40:23 AM »

While Huckster and the rest of the Apple Dumpling Gang will assert that Ronnie was not at his peak against Dorian, if Ronnie was so superior as they like to allege, why was Ronnie nowhere near Dorian in any of the contests? Oh, I forgot, politics..lol.

And for all of Hucksters "Kovacs" comparisons for Dorian, how bad then was Ronnie to have placed a very distant 9th in 1997? Funny, I don't see Ronnie's name in the title of this thread. Ironic how Ronnie always enters the fray when mental pygmy Huckster starts posting.