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Netanyahu Endorses Palestinian Independence
« on: June 14, 2009, 05:13:47 PM »
Can you say THE END OF ISRAHELL!!!!...hahahahah... This is quite the good news to stumble upon. For all of those who said "NEVER WILL HAPPEN" well  it has happened... and faster and sooner then you thought. America's welfare child is having the umbilical cord cut and soon it will have to fend for itself as america sinks into despair. I wonder how all of those Arab nations will deal with this devil knowing america is limited...

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AP – Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivers a speech at Bar-Ilan University in Ramat Gan near …
By JOSEF FEDERMAN, Associated Press Writer



JERUSALEM – Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu endorsed a Palestinian state beside Israel for the first time on Sunday, reversing himself under U.S. pressure but attaching conditions such as having no army that the Palestinians swiftly rejected.

A week after President Barack Obama's address to the Muslim world, Netanyahu said the Palestinian state would also have to recognize Israel as the Jewish state — essentially saying Palestinian refugees must give up the goal of returning to Israel.

With those conditions, he said, he could accept "a demilitarized Palestinian state alongside the Jewish state."
The West Bank-based Palestinian government dismissed the proposal.

"Netanyahu's speech closed the door to permanent status negotiations," senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat said. "We ask the world not to be fooled by his use of the term Palestinian state because he qualified it. He declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel, said refugees would not be negotiated and that settlements would remain."

Netanyahu, in an address seen as his response to Obama, refused to heed the U.S. call for an immediate freeze of construction on lands Palestinians claim for their future state. He also said the holy city of Jerusalem must remain under Israeli sovereignty.

The White House said Obama welcomed the speech as an "important step forward."
Netanyahu's address was a dramatic transformation for a man who was raised on a fiercely nationalistic ideology and has spent a two-decade political career criticizing peace efforts.

"I call on you, our Palestinian neighbors, and to the leadership of the Palestinian Authority: Let us begin peace negotiations immediately, without preconditions," he said, calling on the wider Arab world to work with him. "Let's make peace. I am willing to meet with you any time any place — in Damascus, Riyadh, Beirut and in Jerusalem."

Since assuming office in March, Netanyahu has been caught between American demands to begin peace talks with the Palestinians and the constraints of a hardline coalition. On Sunday, he appeared to favor Israel's all-important relationship with the U.S. at the risk of destabilizing his government.
But his call for establishing a Palestinian state was greeted with lukewarm applause among the audience at Bar-Ilan University, known as a bastion of the Israeli right-wing establishment.

As Netanyahu spoke, two small groups of protesters demonstrated at the university's entrance.
Several dozen hard-liners held up posters showing Obama wearing an Arab headdress and shouted slogans against giving up West Bank territory. Across from them, a few dozen dovish Israelis and foreign backers chanted slogans including "two states for two peoples" and "stop the occupation."
Police kept the two groups apart.

The Palestinians demand all of the West Bank as part of a future state, with east Jerusalem as their capital. Israel captured both areas in the 1967 Mideast war.

Netanyahu, leader of the hardline Likud Party, has always resisted withdrawing from these lands, for both security and ideological reasons. In his speech, he repeatedly made references to Judaism's connection to the biblical Land of Israel.

"Our right to form our sovereign state here in the land of Israel stems from one simple fact. The Land of Israel is the birthplace of the Jewish people," he said.

But Netanyahu also said that Israel must recognize that millions of Palestinians live in the West Bank, and continued control over these people is undesirable. "In my vision, there are two free peoples living side by side each with each other, each with its own flag and national anthem," he said.
Netanyahu has said he fears the West Bank could follow the path of the Gaza Strip — which the Palestinians also claim for their future state. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, and Hamas militants now control the area, often firing rockets into southern Israel.

"In any peace agreement, the territory under Palestinian control must be disarmed, with solid security guarantees for Israel," he said.

"If we get this guarantee for demilitarization and necessary security arrangements for Israel, and if the Palestinians recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish people, we will be willing in a real peace agreement to reach a solution of a demilitarized Palestinian state alongside the Jewish state," he said.
Netanyahu became the latest in a series of Israeli hard-liners to soften their positions after assuming office. Earlier this decade, then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon led Israel out of Gaza before suffering a debilitating stroke. His successor, Ehud Olmert, spoke eloquently of the need to withdraw from the West Bank, though a corruption scandal a disastrous war in Lebanon prevented him from carrying out that vision.

Netanyahu gave no indication as to how much captured land he would be willing to relinquish. However, he ruled out a division of Jerusalem, saying, "Israel's capital will remain united."

Netanyahu also made no mention of uprooting Jewish settlements in the West Bank. Nearly 300,000 Israelis live in the West Bank, in addition to 180,000 Israelis living in Jewish neighborhoods built in east Jerusalem. He also said that existing settlements should be allowed to grow — a position opposed by the U.S.
"We have no intention to build new settlements or expropriate land for expanding existing settlements. But there is a need to allow residents to lead a normal life. Settlers are not the enemy of the nation and are not the enemy of peace — they are our brothers and sisters," he said.

Netanyahu also said the Palestinians must recognize Israel as a Jewish state. The Palestinians have refused to do so, fearing it would amount to giving up the rights of millions of refugees and their descendants and discriminate against Israel's own Arab minority.

Although the Palestinians have agreed to demilitarization under past peace proposals, Erekat rejected it, saying it would cement Israeli rule over them.
Nabil Abu Rdeneh, another Palestinian official, called on the U.S. to challenge Netanyahu "to prevent more deterioration in the region."

"What he has said today is not enough to start a serious peace process," he added.
In Gaza, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri called the speech "racist" and called on Arab nations "form stronger opposition" toward Israel. Hamas ideology does not recognize a Jewish state in an Islamic Middle East and the group has sent dozens of suicide bombers into Israel.

Netanyahu also came under criticism from within his own government — a coalition of religious and nationalistic parties that oppose Palestinian independence.

Zevulun Orlev, a member of the Jewish Home Party, which represents Jewish settlers and other hard-liners, said Netanyahu's speech violated agreements struck when the government was formed. "I think the coalition needs to hold a serious discussion to see where this is headed," he told Israel Radio.
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Re: Netanyahu Endorses Palestinian Independence
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 04:25:20 AM »
Netanyahu went a lot further than I thought he was going to go...I was actually pleasantly suprised, but i think given the pressure from the US he had to offer the Palestinians something, so it may fit into his strategy of talking big and then delaying and stonewalling as much as he can in private so as to placate his cabinet.

That being said, Netanyahu said he would meet the Pals without preconditions, and then stated Jerusalem would not be divided and that the Palestinians could have no control over airspace...he's going to have to do better than that, no compromise on Jerusalem means no peace, and if the Pals cant have an airport I cant see how they're going to have a workable state.

We'll see what happens from here, I dont think public climate in Israel right now will allow Netanyahu to make the kind of concessions he's going to have to make, most notably on settlements.

On top of that theres still Hamas: I suppose engagements with their moderates might work, then again it may not...you can never tell, but firstly they have to work something out with Fatah and work for a power sharing system where they acknowledge free speech and secularism...until then I dont see how the Pals can fulfill their commitments either.

Here's hoping, but Im not holding my breath

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Re: Netanyahu Endorses Palestinian Independence
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 11:32:09 AM »
Saw Netanyahu on CSPAN...He was praising the decision to create the Palestinian state and stressed how it is necessary for the israelis and Arabs to work together and love one another (hand me a tissue) for peace sake. He used Biblical scripture in saying that the nations will beat their weapons into plow shares and pruning hooks. That the countries would learn of war no more in the future generations...I am surprised to hear him quoting from the New Testament being that the israelis don't use the Bible and only reference the Torah which is only the Old Testament. What track is Netty operating on now? Will he be heading up a CHristian church in a minute? He continued with this UNITY speech and announced he would meet with any Arab nation to talk peace...my how things have changed... now that Israhell realizes america is all but over and it is worried about its own safety, it is now trying to be friends with the Arab world... all before it was threats and more threats. This COZYING up to the Arab nations should make them worry...sounds like the DEVIL trying to cause peace before sudden destruction.
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Re: Netanyahu Endorses Palestinian Independence
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 12:00:56 PM »
Netanyahu went a lot further than I thought he was going to go...I was actually pleasantly suprised, but i think given the pressure from the US he had to offer the Palestinians something, so it may fit into his strategy of talking big and then delaying and stonewalling as much as he can in private so as to placate his cabinet.

That being said, Netanyahu said he would meet the Pals without preconditions, and then stated Jerusalem would not be divided and that the Palestinians could have no control over airspace...he's going to have to do better than that, no compromise on Jerusalem means no peace, and if the Pals cant have an airport I cant see how they're going to have a workable state.

We'll see what happens from here, I dont think public climate in Israel right now will allow Netanyahu to make the kind of concessions he's going to have to make, most notably on settlements.

On top of that theres still Hamas: I suppose engagements with their moderates might work, then again it may not...you can never tell, but firstly they have to work something out with Fatah and work for a power sharing system where they acknowledge free speech and secularism...until then I dont see how the Pals can fulfill their commitments either.

Here's hoping, but Im not holding my breath


He was def. grating his teeth while uttering those words. He was originally for quasi-integration on some level, I'm probably mistaken  but he sure as hell has never been for a 2 State solution.

We could call this a tentative first step but there are so many wildcards and things that need to fall into place. Hardliners on both sides "Netanyahu is one of them, who will gave to swallow some pride and make real, honest concessions as well as abandon some deeply held philospophical ground.

I see jack shit coming from this. And say that it does yield a 2-State, what will the Pals do? How will they run the state? And what will the greater Arab world do when they lose their boogeyman?

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Re: Netanyahu Endorses Palestinian Independence
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 12:54:09 PM »
He was def. grating his teeth while uttering those words. He was originally for quasi-integration on some level, I'm probably mistaken  but he sure as hell has never been for a 2 State solution.

We could call this a tentative first step but there are so many wildcards and things that need to fall into place. Hardliners on both sides "Netanyahu is one of them, who will gave to swallow some pride and make real, honest concessions as well as abandon some deeply held philospophical ground.

I see jack shit coming from this. And say that it does yield a 2-State, what will the Pals do? How will they run the state? And what will the greater Arab world do when they lose their boogeyman?

There is no boogeyman being lost... but rather the ISRAELI ANIMAL is finally being CAGED IN (thankfully). Netty will be swallowing more than he ever imagined soon. Nettty is another puppet of the NWO and he has been made to speak of this Palestinian state and speak of it with GLEE... Those illegal settlements will soon be torn down with much protest I am sure, but they nonetheless will be torn down and the land handed over.

Jerusalem will be under international control and will be an international/inter-religious city where "no one group" will be directly in control of the city, but rather it will be a city owned by all three religious groups with still other religious beliefs allowed in to worship, to travel to visit. Expect UN peacekeepers to be everywhere to make sure things remain calm.

The Palestinians will run their region well... and why would there be any questions as to whether or not they would be capable of running their portion of the land? I would expect that the NEW REGION will have each with its own control of resources with neither being able to impact the others resources in anyway at all. Each with its own ports, roadways, cultures etc...

This is a GOOD THING...BUT... I can see some radical israeli causing trouble with this "New Middle East" soon...
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Re: Netanyahu Endorses Palestinian Independence
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 02:06:43 PM »
He was def. grating his teeth while uttering those words. He was originally for quasi-integration on some level, I'm probably mistaken  but he sure as hell has never been for a 2 State solution.

We could call this a tentative first step but there are so many wildcards and things that need to fall into place. Hardliners on both sides "Netanyahu is one of them, who will gave to swallow some pride and make real, honest concessions as well as abandon some deeply held philospophical ground.

I see jack shit coming from this. And say that it does yield a 2-State, what will the Pals do? How will they run the state? And what will the greater Arab world do when they lose their boogeyman?

Netanyahu did actually give an interview to Ha'aretz soon after likud got spanked in 2006 in which he said he couldnt see how Israel could keep the West Bank for much longer. So i guess we could say that whilst he's not in favour of withdrawal he's not completely against the idea either, the Far Right have never really seen him as one of their own, willing to sell them out at the earliest opportunity...he's hard to predict, but I think he's learned from his piss poor attempts at making peace in the mid nineties.

He did talk about reaching a comprehensive region wide peace, so hopefully the Arab states will fall into line after this...

I dont think either side has what it takes to be honest...Trouble is, its not like the rough outlines of a solution aren't clear, everybody knows what the solution would look like...sometimes the whole thing feels like a merrygoround, same shit over and over again.