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IMF Chief - "Worst is Yet to Come"
« on: June 15, 2009, 04:51:31 AM »
Worst of Crisis May Be Yet to Come: IMF Chief

Topics:IMF | Recession | North America | Asia | Europe | Economy (Global)By: Reuters | 15 Jun 2009 | 06:16 AM ET Text Size

The head of the IMF questioned on Monday any debate about when to roll back stimulus spending, saying the world economy had yet to weather the worst of a recession that claimed a record number of European jobs.

The 16-country euro zone lost a record 1.22 million jobs in the first quarter, official data showed. Employment during the first quarter fell 1.2 percent year-on-year, the deepest annual drop since measurements started in 1995.

Even if some form of economic recovery is not far off, analysts say unemployment will climb for many months to come.

Underlining the fragile state of the global economy, an influential economist said China would not see a rapid rebound and South Korea's finance minister said its economy was still sliding, although the pace had slowed.

But in southern Italy, Group of Eight finance ministers meeting at the weekend described their economies in the most positive terms since the collapse of U.S. bank Lehman Brothers nine months ago heightened the world's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s.


"Their (G8) stance is that we are beginning to see some green shoots but nevertheless we have to be cautious," International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn said during a visit to Kazakhstan. "The large part of the worst is not yet behind us."

Pressure has been building in the G8, particularly from fiscally conservative nations such as Germany and Canada, for plans to wind down stimulus as soon as it is no longer needed.

But ministers in Lecce differed over how quickly to start rolling back state spending plans and hiking interest rates.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner indicated the United States was unlikely to tighten policy soon, saying: "It is too early to shift toward policy restraint." Most experts do not expect major tightening of fiscal and monetary policy in the developed world before next year.

According to media, France is headed in the opposite direction. Paris plans to pump an extra 3.5 billion euros ($4.92 billion) into stimulus measures earmarked for 2010 and is preparing to increase its public budget deficit forecast for 2009, Les Echos newspaper reported on Sunday.

Fragile

Li Yang, a former adviser to the People's Bank of China, said he expected China's recovery to be "W-shaped" — meaning that growth will falter once fiscal and monetary stimulus wears off, before regaining momentum.

"China should not count on a turnaround of external demand to bring about its recovery," Li, director of the finance institute at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, was quoted by the Shanghai Securities News as saying.

In Britain, a leading business group said the country would pull out of recession earlier than previously forecast, but that a sustained recovery was not assured.

South Korean Finance Minister Yoon Jeung-hyun said it was too early to consider reversing stimulus policies. "The economy is certainly still sliding, although the pace of decline is slowing," he said. "Let me make it clear that we are not at the stage for a change in the aggressive fiscal stimulus and financial easing policy stance."

Aviation leaders attended the Paris Air Show on Monday expecting only crumbs of new business to bolster an industry hurt by the crisis, which has cast doubt on the ability of airlines to pay for the roughly $800 billion of planes on order.

"It is out of the hands of Airbus and Boeing and in the hands of the travelling public, who are voting with their feet and not getting on planes or buying tickets," said Richard Aboulafia, vice president at U.S. aerospace and defense consultancy Teal Group.

Shares Slide

Shares fell with some market players saying the cautious tone from the G8 gathering had prompted investors to cut back their bets on riskier assets.

European shares shed 1.6 percent on Monday, tracking losses in Asia. Tokyo's Nikkei closed 1 percent lower.

The European benchmark index is up 35.9 percent from the lifetime low it hit on March 9, as investors have become less gloomy on the prospects for economic recovery.

"We've verified that markets have bottomed out but we have yet to see what sort of form the recovery will take and we need clear proof that it will continue," said Masayoshi Okamoto, head of trading at Jujiya Securities.

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Re: IMF Chief - "Worst is Yet to Come"
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 07:07:34 AM »
"The economy is certainly still sliding, although the pace of decline is slowing"

Correct.  This is how you reverse it.  You stop the bleeding them the trend turns upward with job growth.  People keep thinking along micro lines... "Why can't obama completely reverse things overnight"?   it's gonna move slow in both directions for any president.  Sept 2008 crash didn't happen overnight, and 2009 recovery won't happen overnight.

The important thing is that we went from losing 600k jobs a month lost to half that today.  Naxt month,trends show it should be even lower.  A few months down the road, the trend will break even and we'll see a few months of positive growth.


Of course, you only blame obama for the job losses.  When we see gains in late 09 or early 10, that will be just "cyclical". right?  ;)

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Re: IMF Chief - "Worst is Yet to Come"
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 07:11:11 AM »
"The economy is certainly still sliding, although the pace of decline is slowing"

Correct.  This is how you reverse it.  You stop the bleeding them the trend turns upward with job growth.  People keep thinking along micro lines... "Why can't obama completely reverse things overnight"?   it's gonna move slow in both directions for any president.  Sept 2008 crash didn't happen overnight, and 2009 recovery won't happen overnight.

The important thing is that we went from losing 600k jobs a month lost to half that today.  Naxt month,trends show it should be even lower.  A few months down the road, the trend will break even and we'll see a few months of positive growth.


Of course, you only blame obama for the job losses.  When we see gains in late 09 or early 10, that will be just "cyclical". right?  ;)

I dont blame Obama for the job losses per se, but I do blame him for embracing policies that will make it harder for our economy to recover and make it harder for the free market to create the job growth that is needed.

The taxes, the burdens, the shackles, etc, will make any recovery far less than what it could be under other citcumstances.   

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Re: IMF Chief - "Worst is Yet to Come"
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 07:29:33 AM »
I do blame him for embracing policies that will make it harder for our economy to recover and make it harder for the free market to create the job growth that is needed.

Dow is still well over 8500.  unemployment is turning around.  Dollar is stable.
Every prediction about the dollar dying in Feb, etc have come and gone.

The economy IS recovering.  Stabile DOW while job loss trend bottoms out (Jan 09) and now it's risen every month since for 5 months. 

This is recovery.  Slow but it's steady. 

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Re: IMF Chief - "Worst is Yet to Come"
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 07:47:43 AM »
ooopps, sinking

DOW, -203.37, -2.31%
8,595.89

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Re: IMF Chief - "Worst is Yet to Come"
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 08:11:54 AM »
Dow is still well over 8500. 

a whole 88 points so far.

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Re: IMF Chief - "Worst is Yet to Come"
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 01:37:13 PM »
When the jobs being "created" are almost ALL government jobs,THATS NOT a recovery.Thats welfare.When inflation hits and deflation hits,then the tax increases come,we are heading towards a disaster.This is not a recovery,its borrowing and a welfare stimulous plan.IT HAS FAILED!

You keep saying job losses are slowing.BUT unemployment cxontinues to go up and up and up.Thats NOT a recovery.

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Re: IMF Chief - "Worst is Yet to Come"
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2009, 01:41:26 PM »
If it's a "jobless recovery" than that will a disaster. Especially if the new taxes, cap/trade/ and fallout from debt/printing money keep unemployment above 6-7%...it won't be pretty. I'm sure the sycophants in the media will even have trouble covering for Obama on this one if it happens.

And if the private sector doesn't create and hold job gains and the govt. ends up paying to create jobs than it will also be a facade....and an expensive facade at that.

This is kicking the can down the road. Mortgaging the future, doubling down etc for short term gain. And listen, if Obama actually had a plan I could get on board with, something that wasn't debt driven, new taxes and the like then I would def. be more keen to support it. But he hasn't.

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Re: IMF Chief - "Worst is Yet to Come"
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2009, 07:20:10 PM »
No one is talking about the REAL ESTATE MELTDOWN  that is on the way. So far there has been a mortgage meltdown (homes), a financial markets meltdown... the next will be REAL ESTATE meaning COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE. As it stands now there are unimaginable amounts of office/business space that is no longer being rented/leased in america due to business closures. This is a TREMENDOUS loss of revenue which will put just about every commercial business and space in foreclosure as well. Recently the second largest mall owner in america has filed for bankruptcy... that is a tremendous amount of revenue that could come to an end as well as the remaining businesses in the mall go under due to mall closures. Add to this the DERIVATIVE MARKET which tops at over 600 TRILLION dollars... what will america do as that meltdown begins. As it stands now america is helpless/hopeless and the masses don't seem to realize this. When talk about the WORST IS YET TO COME starts ...I feel this is what is really the message. Once the Derivative bubble and Commercial Real Estate burst the END WILL HAVE TRULY BEEN REACHED.
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Re: IMF Chief - "Worst is Yet to Come"
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2009, 07:28:15 PM »
No one is talking about the REAL ESTATE MELTDOWN  that is on the way. So far there has been a mortgage meltdown (homes), a financial markets meltdown... the next will be REAL ESTATE meaning COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE. As it stands now there are unimaginable amounts of office/business space that is no longer being rented/leased in america due to business closures. This is a TREMENDOUS loss of revenue which will put just about every commercial business and space in foreclosure as well. Recently the second largest mall owner in america has filed for bankruptcy... that is a tremendous amount of revenue that could come to an end as well as the remaining businesses in the mall go under due to mall closures. Add to this the DERIVATIVE MARKET which tops at over 600 TRILLION dollars... what will america do as that meltdown begins. As it stands now america is helpless/hopeless and the masses don't seem to realize this. When talk about the WORST IS YET TO COME starts ...I feel this is what is really the message. Once the Derivative bubble and Commercial Real Estate burst the END WILL HAVE TRULY BEEN REACHED.

100% Samson.  I cant help but think of the garbage spouted on tv about a recovery as i pass more and more vacant stores and commercial space each day.  I ask myself "how is the landlord paying his mortgage with no tenents????

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Re: IMF Chief - "Worst is Yet to Come"
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2009, 07:32:45 PM »
100% Samson.  I cant help but think of the garbage spouted on tv about a recovery as i pass more and more vacant stores and commercial space each day.  I ask myself "how is the landlord paying his mortgage with no tenents????

Well, this landlord has a printing press.