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UFC 100 Airing Live On Sky In the UK
« Reply #250 on: July 09, 2009, 09:14:40 AM »
UFC 100 will be airing live on Sky channel 433 in the UK, according to SunSport. The channel will air a total of 9 hours of UFC programming, beginning with all five episodes of the UFC’s Ultimate 100 Greatest Fights series at 9 p.m. BST, the Countdown to UFC 100 show at 2 a.m. BST, and the UFC 100: Lesnar vs. Mir event at 3 a.m. BST.

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Re: UFC 100 Official Thread
« Reply #251 on: July 09, 2009, 10:19:39 AM »
no this was the new thread hence why it says official and not official betting thread, guy has mod buttons so he thinks he knows it all!

Look at the very first post of this thread ::)
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Re: UFC 100 Airing Live On Sky In the UK
« Reply #252 on: July 09, 2009, 11:08:10 AM »
UFC 100 will be airing live on Sky channel 433 in the UK, according to SunSport. The channel will air a total of 9 hours of UFC programming, beginning with all five episodes of the UFC’s Ultimate 100 Greatest Fights series at 9 p.m. BST, the Countdown to UFC 100 show at 2 a.m. BST, and the UFC 100: Lesnar vs. Mir event at 3 a.m. BST.

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Re: UFC 100 Official Thread
« Reply #253 on: July 09, 2009, 11:28:52 AM »
Look at the very first post of this thread ::)

I'm just giving you a hard time! don't get all crazy old man! It"s all good and worked out either way, how was I supposed to know you would start the betting thread 2 months early? ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Re: UFC 100 Official Thread
« Reply #254 on: July 09, 2009, 11:32:41 AM »
I'm just giving you a hard time! don't get all crazy old man! It"s all good and worked out either way, how was I supposed to know you would start the betting thread 2 months early? ::) ::) ::) ::)

one month early....biatch :D
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Re: UFC 100 Official Thread
« Reply #255 on: July 09, 2009, 11:36:06 AM »
Yemeni obviously needs to find a new hobby.

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Re: UFC 100 Airing Live On Sky In the UK
« Reply #256 on: July 09, 2009, 12:50:30 PM »
Awesome!

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UFC Expo to be Streamed Live On FOX Fight Game
« Reply #257 on: July 09, 2009, 01:08:58 PM »
NewTek Inc. has announced that TriCaster will be streaming the UFC Expo live on FOX Fight Game w/Mike Straka on July 10 and 11 starting at 12 p.m. ET/9 a.m. PT.

The live stream will be available for viewing at www.foxfightgame.com.

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Randy Couture and Rashad Evans are special guests on the ESPN MMA Live 07-09-09 episode. They preview UFC 100 and Evans talks about Kimbo Slice and coaching on The Ultimate Fighter Season 10.

Check out the video at http://mmawaves.com/?p=1287

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Georges St. Pierre’s New Gatorade Commercial
« Reply #259 on: July 09, 2009, 02:04:08 PM »
Check out this new Gatorade Canada commercial featuring Georges St. Pierre:


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Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #260 on: July 09, 2009, 02:15:21 PM »
you can view them at MMA Betting Blog

if you visit the link above, some of the figures will make more sense

Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir

Let’s start with the main event of the evening. An interesting fight for sure, and with Frank at one end of the Octagon, anything can happen here. Mir improved tremendously in the striking department and shocked the world in his most recent fight against the lion-hearted Nogueira. A heavyweight who seemed be lacking in all major aspects of the stand-up game until relatively recently, he pulled multiple rabbits out of the hat. He displayed far better footwork, appeared to have way more power in his hands than ever before and even chased Big Nog all over the Octagon with multi-punch combinations. I am not even going to mention Mir’s ground game, which is one of the most explosive in all of MMA. While Mir does not walk through his opponents’ guards the way Vitor Ribeiro does or pull out Imanari style flying foot locks, he identifies openings very quickly and skillfully and once he gets a hold of something, he pulls it to break it.


This bold, vicious attitude gives Mir a unique advantage, but can also work against him. In the Ian Freeman fight, he simply did not want to let go of the leg lock while Freeman was raining punches from the top and took more than a dozen extremely heavy shots and lost the fight. Similarly, in his earlier encounter with Lesnar, Mir kept going for submissions while Lesnar was doing damage from the top, even though he could have let go and focused on defense. Another weakness for Mir is his takedowns. Though he is great on the ground, he does have a hard time taking the fight there and most of his submissions result from takedowns initiated by his opponents or them simply following Frank to the ground as Tim Sylvia did following a knockdown. Finally, Mir’s endurance has always been suspect, and while we do not know how much he has improved in that area, it is safe to assume that he will likely have some difficulties if the fight should drag on, simply because doing battle with a giant is far more tiring than fighting a man your own size. In short, Mir is a great fighter, who most often finds a way to win despite a few holes in his game. With a great attitude and brilliant mind, he is also an excellent ambassador for the sport. However, I cannot put any money on him in this fight due to a big problem who goes by name of Brock Lesnar.


In my opinion, Lesnar is the second most android-like man in MMA today right behind Fedor Emelianenko . I would even go so far as to state that there are no more than a handful of people on earth who weigh as much as Lesnar and move as fast as he does. To make matters more interesting, he also showed that he can fight hard for three full rounds when he batteled Heath herring, which is truly astounding for a 280 pounder (he will likely cut weight to make 265 and re-hydrate after weigh-ins). He hits hard, could probably take down any MMA fighter in the whole world and appears willing to learn. If Lesnar chooses to keep the fight on the feet, it will be virtually impossible for Mir to take it to the ground. If he wishes to go down, Mir must similarly oblige. Lesnar will have 100% control over where the fight is fought during 100% of the 25 minute period. I think he may also choose a hybrid strategy and push Mir against the fence without taking him down. From close distance he can minimize the risk of eating one of Mir’s newfound uppercuts or crosses but can still do huge damage with elbows and short punches. A man of Lesnar’s dimensions does not necessarily need to “punch from the hip” or put his whole body behind his punches to do big damage and can hit very hard while at the same time tiring Mir, during the pummel against the fence. Should the fight go for more than 2 rounds, Lesnar’s chances for a victory are even higher as Mir will inevitably tire with a 280 pound monster all over him.


“But what if the fight somehow goes to the ground” you may ask. Lesnar may get hit in the face once too many times or simply get nervous and revert to what he knows best, going in for a takedown. If that should happen, I think that he will smoothly ground-and-pound his way into victory. This man has been training submission defense for over six months now and with his size and strength he has many more defenses that are simply not available to mere mortals (such as Rampage’s power bombs out of the triangle, or slams when an armbar is partially locked in). Six months of pure jiu-jitsu defense training goes a very long way Even in the first fight, it wasn’t easy for Mir to pull of that kneebar and Lesnar dominated during most of the ground game. Had he not punched to the back of Mir’s head, the fight would have likely been stopped in Lensar’s favor. Mir can always pull a submission out of thin air, of course, but I can live with that probability and will therefore place a $240 bet on Lesnar at -240. If Lesnar should win, we’ll be up $100.


As an aside, someone is getting hurt badly here. Mir is not one to tap to strikes or even to let them distract him from his submissions, so by the time the referee jumps in, Mir may have a severely busted face. If Mir gets a hold of a limb, on the other hand, he will do everything to break it. He did so without reservation before and has all the more motivation to do so now, after much trash talking by both man.


PS: My prediction is that the fight will not last beyond the third round. If you can get a bet on the duration of the fight, go for that instead of a straight bet. There is very little chance, in my opinion, that we will see a fourth round here.


Mark Coleman vs Stephan Bonnar

Mark Coleman is a pioneer and has a huge heart. He is also a strong man with serious wrestling credentials, but sadly, he refuses to evolve and hasn’t furthered his skills beyond his famous ground-and-pound. Unfortunately, he hasn’t even sharpeded this one tool since his debut in the Octagon a decade ago and continues to keep his head low and his arms in, thus opening himself up to armbars as well as triangles, which Fedor and Big Nog have scored three times against him in as many fights. His stand up is quite poor and his endurance even worse. He also “over-commits” to takedowns and is out of breath after a few of failed attempts. As if one needs more reason to bet on Bonnar, Coleman’s double legs also open him up to guillotines. No disrespect for Mark, but he belongs to a different era and will have a hard time beating any of the modern MMA.


Bonnar, on the other hand, may not be the next 205 pound champ, but he is severely underrated. He has gone toe to toe with Forrest Griffin twice for a total of 30 full minutes, which, even though he lost both times, is a testament to his endurance, chin and ability to “take a beating and keep on ticking”. Bonnar also fails to get the credit he deserves for his ground game despite seven out of his 11 career wins coming by way of submission. If Coleman continues to make the usual mistake of leaning on his opponent while in the guard (as opposed to continuously “posturing up” while delivering ground-and-pound style punishment ala Fedor) Bonnar can pull of an armbar. Another advantage for Bonnar is the fact that Coleman simply refuses to master guard passes and side control. I do not wish to excessively downplay Coleman’s ground-and-pound game or make it sound like any rookie can submit him from the bottom. But Coleman’s dislike for guard passes make the submission attempts of his opponents’ a low risk endeavor. Go for an armbar or triangle, and if you miss with Coleman landing on side control, put him back in guard and repeat until a) the referee stands up a tired and wasted Coleman b) you lock one of your sub attempts and get a tapout.

This mismatch gives me the confidence to place some dough on Bonnar despite pretty poor potential returns. I am breaking my own rule here by betting despite less than a third in paybacks, but this is an exceptional fight. So $250 on Bonnar, with -350 odds. If Bonnar wins, we’re up $71.

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Re: Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #261 on: July 09, 2009, 02:17:32 PM »
Dan Henderson vs Michael Bisping

What do the following names have in common? Dan Henderson, Kevin Randleman, Chael Sonnen? Answer: They could have dominated their weight classes and retired with shiny belts around their waists if only they took a full year off and did nothing but train no-gi jiu-jitsu. I must say that Dan Henderson has the most evolved submission game among the aforementioned names and he did improve his submissions–both offensively and defensively- to a respectable degree. But given his (and other similar wrestlers’) strength, flexibility, agility and work ethic, it is hard to understand why, after such a long and illustrious career, Henderson does not follow up his excellent takedowns with armbars, kata gatames, kimuras or rear naked chokes. His striking is, likewise, nowhere near where it could be. No, I haven’t forgotten the famous right overhead that can kill a dinosaur, but where are the combinations or the kicks? Long story short, Henderson is a diamond in the rough with no time left to polish it up.


Michael Bisping, on the other hand, is learning as quickly as his fellow countryman Isaac Newton. He has evolved tremendously since his first appearance at the Ultimate Fighter and holds the honor of revisiting the show as a coach, not too long after graduating as a resident of that dangerous house; quite the steep learning curve. Bisping’s chief strength is his crisp stand-up. He has certainly evolved greatly as a ground fighter, but won’t take down Henderson. He could indeed find himself at the bottom following an upper body takedown by Henderson but I doubt he can submit the American from the bottom, which is a feat that no one has accomplished thus far. As Bisping himself stated, he will attempt to get up if the fight goes to the ground, as opposed to wasting energy and taking undue risks with reversal or submission attempts. So while the advantage on the ground goes to Henderson, I do believe that Bisping can do enough to either force a referee stand-up or get up on his own at some point.


For as long as the fight is standing, I give Bisping a slight advantage. With the exception of knockout power, he is superior to Henderson in almost every way while both are up on their feet. He utilizes knees and kicks very effectively, which Henderson has little answer to (though Henderson does an excellent job absorbing the punishment and continuing to push forward) and he can punch from a variety of positions and distances. Henderson’s effective range is not short but pretty inflexible; he must stand at a moderate distance with his right hand pulled slightly back and dropped a little, ready to snap into action with a twist of his waist. The resulting punch has the force of his entire upper body behind it and travels a long distance before hitting the opponent, thus reaching a very high velocity. If one of those grenades land right on the chin, it’s lights out. But unfortunately, this style necessitates a telegraphing of the upcoming punch, leaves his own chin somewhat exposed and, since he doesn’t mix it up with other stances and combinations, makes him a little predictable. He hasn’t done huge damage with this punch in his last four fights.


Bisping can counter this right hand in a variety of ways. He can circle away from it, just as Fedor kept circling away from CroCop’s left side to avoid the famous high kick, or he can stay out of the range of this looping right hand. The latter strategy is not easy to pull off because Henderson is known to follow up a forward leap with the right overhead, so simply staying outside of the conventional range may not cut it. Conversely, if Bisping comes too close, Henderson can clinch and take him down. Unlike Coleman, Henderson is a Greco-Roman wrestler and a moderately tight clinch is all he needs. If staying out of range or circling prove infeasible, Bisping’s other choice is to defend against the right overhead with pure speed and agility. Considering the somewhat lackluster performance of Henderson in the recent past, I consider this a feasible option. At 185, Bisping is quick, very quick actually, and can be simply bold and walk right into Henderson, taking a moderate but not overwhelming risk of suffering a knockout. I would in fact argue that what Bisping has to fear more is letting Henderson get away with a decision victory, by doing just enough to outlast his opponent for 15 minutes. In fact, seven out of Henderson’s last nine matches have gone to a decision, and when they do, the American Energizer Bunny tends to win.


Long story short, if Bisping can keep the majority of this fight standing, he can win this. While the ever-present danger of this fight dragging to a decision in favor of Henderson or him rediscovering the overhead right (which he hasn’t scored a knockout with in over two years) are somewhat worrying, Henderson’s deteriorating performance of late and Bisping’s hunger, speed and versatility make a bet on the Brit a reasonable proposition at +190. So I am putting just $120 of my imaginary dollars on Bisping. If Bisping wins, we will be up $228.


PS: Fingers crossed for not getting a “no contest” for unintentional headbut. With Henderson’s habit of pushing in with his head and Bisping’s speedy forward movements, that can happen and would suck. Before placing a bet, do ask the oddsmaker whether you will get your money back right away in such a case.




Georges St. Pierre vs. Thiago Alves

Fireworks, expect nothing but fireworks in this fight, for the Deadly Canadian Gentlemen is facing the Brazilian Pit-bull. Lest you accuse me of having lost my mind as you read on and slowly discover where I am going, let me just confess upfront: I will bet on Alves. Now if I had to pick one winner, with no betting lines involved, I would go with St. Pierre. But with Vegas giving odds of +250 for Alves, this is worth a shot.


Alves could beat St. Pierre simply because his aggression and fearless style is exactly what the doctor ordered. Hughes, Koscheck, Trigg and a host of others have tried to outmuscle St. Pierre before; unfortunately, it does not work. Neither judo nor wrestling, nor BJ’s crazy flexibility were enough to control St. Pierre. If St. Pierre wants you down, you’re going down, dog! So fighting the takedowns is not the answer, but what is? The answer is to ignore the takedowns, throw punches like every single one of them is the last strike of your life and pray for the best, which is exactly what Alves does for a living. Alves has an intensity that is so terrifying that I feel uneasy if I come closer than 10 feet to the television screen during his fights. He truly does not seem to care, whether his punches will break your jaw, pulverize your nose, or open a gash right above your eye. Nor does he seem to be concerned with catching the wrong spot on your head and breaking his hand in the process, giving up the takedown, or any other trivial matter of such nature.


His focus and rage are so overwhelming that no man, even St. Pierre, can distract or scare Alves. The pit-bull will come forward and engage in a fierce battle until one man lies motionless on the ground and the other is circling the octagon waving to a cheering crowd. Now, there is a good chance that Alves will be the one in a horizontal position, while St. Pierre will stand at a 90 degree angle murmuring something happy in French, but we simply cannot discount the possibility that the opposite outcome will materialize. It can happen in one way and one way only (knockout!), hence this is a dangerous bet (which we will take into account by betting a relatively modest amount)but the odds are tempting. A knockout could come in a variety of ways. Alves will certainly punish GSP every time the Canadian goes for the clinch. St. Pierre will not make the mistake that Hughes did and go for a double, which Alves could stuff with his famous flying knees. However, even St. Pierre’s upper body clinches are not risk-free and he is certain to eat a few heavy hands in the process. While I do think that St. Pierre will take Alves down, I am not sure it will happen as easily as many people assume. Alves is an extraordinarily strong 170 pounder and may very well be the heaviest guy St. Pierre has ever faced. So St. Pierre may be forced to soften him up with blows as he did against BJ Penn and put himself in harm’s way during the process.


Finally, let us not forget about those crazy kicks of Alves, which can do huge damage to the legs, midsection or even score a knockout. Most fans assume that Alves will be reluctant to kick for fear of a takedown (by way of GSP getting a hold of the kicking foot), but I dispute this on two counts. First, you cannot worry about takedowns when fighting GSP; sooner or later he will bring you down to the ground anyway. Alves knows this better than anyone; he will stick to his striking game and not allow the fear of GSP’s wrestling disintegrate his game plan. Secondly, GSP will have a hard time catching the Brazilian’s legs due to a variety of reasons. Alves kicks very hard and very fast, nor does he leave his foot hanging after the kick; his pullback is swift and sudden. In addition, catching a striker’s leg for a takedown is far easier if you can dictate the distance and have little fear of the striker’s hands. Neither is true in this particular case. Alves is just as quick as GSP on the feet and with more tools than the Canadian at his disposal (a wider variety of effective punches and significantly better kicks) he won’t allow GSP to dictate the distance. Make no mistake about it, if Alves hits you anywhere between the hips and the shoulder, you’re in trouble. You cannot block them with the arm, as these can easily shatter your forearm. Nor can you simply cover your head with your elbow and decide to take the kick on your ribs. Your only choice is to avoid those kicks altogether by staying out of their range. This is the precise reason very very few people were able to catch CroCop’s kicks to follow it up with a takedown. So Alves does have tools in his arsenal to damage GSP and hurt him.


Bottom line; I give GSP a slightly higher than 50% chance to win this fight, because he will likely take this fight to the ground and if he can do so without taking too much damage, he can control Alves on the ground for long enough for a referee stoppage or a decision. But Alves has far more than a punchers’ chance and will present an immense danger to GSP every time the Canadian gets into close range. Therefore, we are betting $120 on Alves and with odds of +250 in our favor, we will get $300.


In Sum:


Lesnar beats Mir ($240 on Lesnar)

Bonnar beats Coleman ($250 on Bonnar)

Bisping beats Henderson ($120 on Bisping)

Alves beats St. Pierre ($120 on Alves)

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Re: Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #262 on: July 09, 2009, 02:24:01 PM »
I can't see GSP losing to anyone at this point, not even Silva.

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Re: Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #263 on: July 09, 2009, 02:45:29 PM »
Agree with you there. GSP will definitely not lose to Thiago Silva.

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Re: Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #264 on: July 09, 2009, 02:49:13 PM »
shut the fuck up with all this text.

We don't like your kind here.


All you need to know is fedor is gonna KILL MIR

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Re: Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #265 on: July 09, 2009, 02:50:34 PM »
Why you talking to yourself, Swede?  ::)

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Re: Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #266 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:04 PM »
shut the fuck up with all this text.

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All you need to know is fedor is gonna KILL MIR
Fedor is not fighting???

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Re: UFC 100 Official Thread
« Reply #267 on: July 09, 2009, 03:30:46 PM »
Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir

Georges St-Pierre vs Thiago Alves

Jon Fitch vs Paulo Thiago

Dan Henderson vs Michael Bisping

Yoshihiro Akiyama vs Alan Belcher

Undercard:

Mark Coleman vs Stephan Bonnar

Mac Danzig vs Jim Miller

Jon Jones vs Jake O'Brien

Dong Hyun Kim vs Jonathan Goulet

CB Dollaway vs Tom Lawlor

Matt Grice vs Shannon Gugerty

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Re: Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #268 on: July 09, 2009, 03:37:38 PM »
shut the fuck up with all this text.

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All you need to know is fedor is gonna KILL MIR
Spot on we dont give a shit

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Re: Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #269 on: July 09, 2009, 03:39:28 PM »
shut the fuck up with all this text.

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All you need to know is fedor is gonna KILL MIR

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Re: Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #270 on: July 09, 2009, 03:40:02 PM »
Fuck UFC and Fuck the people who stink of protein farts that watch it.

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Re: Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #271 on: July 09, 2009, 03:48:18 PM »
haha, Mini-me trying to add as the "community spokesman" to earn toughness-points ;D

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Re: Here ya go Fu@kers; Learn What Will Happen at UFC 100
« Reply #272 on: July 09, 2009, 03:49:24 PM »
haha, Mini-me trying to add as the "community spokesman" to earn toughness-points ;D

LOL mini me, he is a bald ugly little midget.

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Re: UFC 100...on TV in the UK?
« Reply #273 on: July 09, 2009, 04:08:40 PM »
It's going to be on Sky Channel 433

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Re: I predict an upset for Mir...
« Reply #274 on: July 09, 2009, 06:48:18 PM »
I want Mir to win, being a BJJ player myself, but I don't see how.  IF Mir stands with Lesnar, it will be good night.  His chance is to get the fight to the ground, sweep, get to top where he can use his BJJ.  I don't think he wants to play bottom with Lesnar in guard.  Hammerfists will end his night, methinks
I think Brock has properly learned how to punch now, so we should see no more hammerfists.

Judging by the fact that everyone he's hit with a direct punch has fallen on their ass, I'd say if he lands a good clean shot Mir is in trouble.
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