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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2009, 12:31:48 PM »
FLAIL and FAIL.
What does this mean? Are you feigning knowledge on this subject again?  ::)

Obama promised that if his plan was passed unemployment would not go over 8%.HE HAS FAILED!!!!The plan has failed!!!!!
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OK, "BILLY."  ::)

Anyone that believes anything coming from this admin has to be  retarded at this point. The part about praising Bernenke was really cute too.  ::)
You have to actually KNOW SOMETHING about a subject to believe what you hear. Perhaps that is your problem. Or we could just assume you are not very bright and still stuck in a bubble where all you hear is what's playing in the Paul Ron fella's bubble.  :-\

It's the same crap Obama has done from day one. Set the stage for the crisis, and then push some bullshit through to get what he wants. Then once he gets what he wants, he back tracks with the we did everything we could but we are still fucked.
Try making sense before you post, otherwise you are a waste of bandwidth.
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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2009, 12:38:15 PM »
What does this mean? Are you feigning knowledge on this subject again?  ::)
LOL
OK, "BILLY."  ::)
You have to actually KNOW SOMETHING about a subject to believe what you hear. Perhaps that is your problem. Or we could just assume you are not very bright and still stuck in a bubble where all you hear is what's playing in the Paul Ron fella's bubble.  :-\
Try making sense before you post, otherwise you are a waste of bandwidth.

Speaking of bubbles, maybe your heros can find another one to inflate.

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2009, 12:39:41 PM »
Speaking of bubbles, maybe your heros can find another one to inflate.
What bubble are you referring to, exactly?
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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2009, 12:40:29 PM »
What bubble are you referring to, exactly?

You're the genius, figure it out.  ::)

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2009, 12:42:48 PM »
You're the genius, figure it out.  ::)

Notice how Benny is silent about those clips i posted????

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2009, 12:44:07 PM »
You're the genius, figure it out.  ::)
Great answer!  :-\ I expected nothing less.
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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2009, 01:00:53 PM »
Unemployment wasn't supposed to be over 8% with the stimulus.  The administration was obviously wrong on that. 
Obama specifically said he wouldn't raise taxes on 95% of Americans.  Looks like he is setting the stage to raise taxes.  We have already seen tax increase on certain goods and services and a host of new taxes proposed.
If you guys look at his health care ideas (I know its not complete yet) but they are proposing new taxation on health benefits, which they said they would not do and they are considering providing coverage for only certain people (that make up to a certain amount per household).  Its bullshit.  Cover all or don't nationalize healthcare!! 

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2009, 01:07:36 PM »
What does this mean? Are you feigning knowledge on this subject again?  ::)
LOL
OK, "BILLY."  ::)
You have to actually KNOW SOMETHING about a subject to believe what you hear. Perhaps that is your problem. Or we could just assume you are not very bright and still stuck in a bubble where all you hear is what's playing in the Paul Ron fella's bubble.  :-\
Try making sense before you post, otherwise you are a waste of bandwidth.

It makes perfect sense, your just to punch drunk on the Obama koolaid to see it you assclown
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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2009, 05:34:28 PM »
Great answer!  :-\ I expected nothing less.

Then why ask me dicknose?

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2009, 09:36:12 PM »
Unemployment wasn't supposed to be over 8% with the stimulus.  The administration was obviously wrong on that. 
Obama specifically said he wouldn't raise taxes on 95% of Americans.  Looks like he is setting the stage to raise taxes.  We have already seen tax increase on certain goods and services and a host of new taxes proposed.
If you guys look at his health care ideas (I know its not complete yet) but they are proposing new taxation on health benefits, which they said they would not do and they are considering providing coverage for only certain people (that make up to a certain amount per household).  Its bullshit.  Cover all or don't nationalize healthcare!! 
I am in the financial analysis/portfolio management business. We knew when we did our projections (as did many others of course) that the administration was low balling the unemployment estimates when drawing up the stimulus plans. Believe me, they have some of the smartest minds related to things financial in this administration, which means they had their reasons. Double digit unemployment was a forgone conclusion by mid January. You can hardly pin that on the Obama administration or its policies.

The health care plan is FAR from done, and the president is still considering opposing ideas. You can rest assured though, that universal health care is Obama's overriding goal. What's "bullshit" is your premise that he is looking for ways to not include people. Nonsense. The premise the administration is starting with is a public-private plan, where you can keep your existing coverage if you actually like it, or you can opt into a public plan that will in all likelihood be more affordable. This forces the insurance companies to have to compete for once, bringing down costs across the board.
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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2009, 09:39:36 PM »
Then why ask me dicknose?
"Dicknose???" Dude, you come up with the lamest comebacks. Just be yourself and don't try so hard.  :-\

I asked you for my own amusement. I enjoy seeing how little you appear to know when you try so hard to know so much.
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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2009, 12:32:59 AM »
"Dicknose???" Dude, you come up with the lamest comebacks. Just be yourself and don't try so hard.  :-\

I asked you for my own amusement. I enjoy seeing how little you appear to know when you try so hard to know so much.

Ok, "dummy".  ::)

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2009, 06:47:43 AM »
Jobless Benefit Rolls Post First Drop In Months

AP, June 18, 2009 · The total number of people on the unemployment insurance rolls dropped for the first time since early January, the government said Thursday, while new claims for benefits rose slightly.

The Labor Department said the total unemployment insurance rolls fell by 148,000 to 6.69 million in the week ending June 6 — the largest drop in more than seven years. The decline may be a sign that layoffs are easing.

The drop also breaks a string of 21 straight increases in continuing claims, the last 19 of which were records. A dip in continuing claims several weeks ago was later revised higher.

The department also said initial claims rose 3,000 to a seasonally adjusted 608,000 last week, above analysts' expectations. The four-week average, which smooths fluctuations, fell by 7,000 to 615,750. Continuing claims data lags initial claims by one week.

The drop in continuing claims could signal a slowing in the rise of the unemployment rate, which reached a 25-year high of 9.4 percent in May. Many economists forecast the rate could reach 10 percent by the end of the year.

Still, millions of Americans are receiving unemployment compensation under an emergency federal program authorized by Congress last summer and extended by the Obama administration's stimulus package.

About 2.36 million people received benefits under that program in the week ending May 30, an increase of more than 102,000 from the previous week. That's in addition to the 6.7 million people receiving benefits under the 26-week program typically provided by states.

Economists also are closely watching the level of first-time claims for signs the economy will recover by mid-summer, as many analysts predict.

"If the labor market is indeed stabilizing, we should see a marked decline in new unemployment filings in the weeks ahead," economists at Wrightson ICAP wrote in a note to clients this week.
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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2009, 08:25:06 AM »
I am in the financial analysis/portfolio management business. We knew when we did our projections (as did many others of course) that the administration was low balling the unemployment estimates when drawing up the stimulus plans. Believe me, they have some of the smartest minds related to things financial in this administration, which means they had their reasons. Double digit unemployment was a forgone conclusion by mid January. You can hardly pin that on the Obama administration or its policies.

The health care plan is FAR from done, and the president is still considering opposing ideas. You can rest assured though, that universal health care is Obama's overriding goal. What's "bullshit" is your premise that he is looking for ways to not include people. Nonsense. The premise the administration is starting with is a public-private plan, where you can keep your existing coverage if you actually like it, or you can opt into a public plan that will in all likelihood be more affordable. This forces the insurance companies to have to compete for once, bringing down costs across the board.

Uh...I'm going to believe the DOCTOR when it comes to nationalizing healthcare, thank you for your time Mr. Manager.  The administration didn't "low ball" the numbers...they lied.  If they knew about them and told us a different number then the American people was lied to again.  So much for "transparency".

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2009, 08:30:05 AM »
Jobless Benefit Rolls Post First Drop In Months

AP, June 18, 2009 · The total number of people on the unemployment insurance rolls dropped for the first time since early January, the government said Thursday, while new claims for benefits rose slightly.

The Labor Department said the total unemployment insurance rolls fell by 148,000 to 6.69 million in the week ending June 6 — the largest drop in more than seven years. The decline may be a sign that layoffs are easing.

The drop also breaks a string of 21 straight increases in continuing claims, the last 19 of which were records. A dip in continuing claims several weeks ago was later revised higher.

The department also said initial claims rose 3,000 to a seasonally adjusted 608,000 last week, above analysts' expectations. The four-week average, which smooths fluctuations, fell by 7,000 to 615,750. Continuing claims data lags initial claims by one week.

The drop in continuing claims could signal a slowing in the rise of the unemployment rate, which reached a 25-year high of 9.4 percent in May. Many economists forecast the rate could reach 10 percent by the end of the year.

Still, millions of Americans are receiving unemployment compensation under an emergency federal program authorized by Congress last summer and extended by the Obama administration's stimulus package.

About 2.36 million people received benefits under that program in the week ending May 30, an increase of more than 102,000 from the previous week. That's in addition to the 6.7 million people receiving benefits under the 26-week program typically provided by states.

Economists also are closely watching the level of first-time claims for signs the economy will recover by mid-summer, as many analysts predict.

"If the labor market is indeed stabilizing, we should see a marked decline in new unemployment filings in the weeks ahead," economists at Wrightson ICAP wrote in a note to clients this week.

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The department also said initial claims rose 3,000 to a seasonally adjusted 608,000 last week, above analysts' expectations. The four-week average, which smooths fluctuations, fell by 7,000 to 615,750. Continuing claims data lags initial claims by one week.


From your own article.  

UE is still rising.  The only difference now is that people are losing jobs at a slower rate.  The UE is likely to go above 10% and stay there for a long time.  

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2009, 11:34:00 AM »
Maybe they did purposely lowball the estimate but that means they lied to the American people.

As far as the healthcare issue, we must wait to see what the ultimate plan looks like.  Correct, they are still debating, but one of the leading ideas is to tax health care benefits, which Obama was against in the election.  Also, they are considering government ran health care for people that make up to a certain amount per household...thats what I think it bullshit.  Either offer it to everyone or no one.  I am sick of this adminstration proposing ideas that penalyze upper middle income people.  One of the ideas was to offer the plan to households that make $80,000 & less.  That is absolutely middle class.  This administration is clearly favoring low and low middle income earners, which is not fair.  So, people pay taxes and aren't going to be offered the healthcare?  Thats ridiculous.  Hope that idea gets thrown out.

Also, having a government system vs private health care has the potential to ruin private systems.  I need to see more in depth analysis on this but everything in medicine that the gov has ran so far has been inefficient and going bankrupt.  Also, if you don't have the government plan (or its not offered to you), why would you be forced to pay for it with your tax dollars?  It just sounds like more of the same proposals from Obama...bigger gov, more oversight with more layers of management, more programs and more taxation to pay for it. 

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2009, 11:41:12 AM »
Maybe they did purposely lowball the estimate but that means they lied to the American people.

As far as the healthcare issue, we must wait to see what the ultimate plan looks like.  Correct, they are still debating, but one of the leading ideas is to tax health care benefits, which Obama was against in the election.  Also, they are considering government ran health care for people that make up to a certain amount per household...thats what I think it bullshit.  Either offer it to everyone or no one.  I am sick of this adminstration proposing ideas that penalyze upper middle income people.  One of the ideas was to offer the plan to households that make $80,000 & less.  That is absolutely middle class.  This administration is clearly favoring low and low middle income earners, which is not fair.  So, people pay taxes and aren't going to be offered the healthcare?  Thats ridiculous.  Hope that idea gets thrown out.

Also, having a government system vs private health care has the potential to ruin private systems.  I need to see more in depth analysis on this but everything in medicine that the gov has ran so far has been inefficient and going bankrupt.  Also, if you don't have the government plan (or its not offered to you), why would you be forced to pay for it with your tax dollars?  It just sounds like more of the same proposals from Obama...bigger gov, more oversight, more programs and more taxation to pay for it.

Exactly...I'm so tired of more government.  It is uncalled for. 

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2009, 12:28:33 PM »
Uh...I'm going to believe the DOCTOR when it comes to nationalizing healthcare, thank you for your time Mr. Manager.  The administration didn't "low ball" the numbers...they lied.  If they knew about them and told us a different number then the American people was lied to again.  So much for "transparency".
It's not a question of "lying."  ::) You can't lie about a forecast.
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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2009, 12:40:34 PM »
It's not a question of "lying."  ::) You can't lie about a forecast.

Since when?
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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2009, 12:43:47 PM »
But Benny, they used the prediction to sell us on the biggest injection of taxpayor money in the history of this country...so its at least deception.  They told us the only way to keep unemployment from rising about 8% was to pass the stimulus, or else unemployment would go higher.  They created a lot of urgency without detailed evaluation of the actual plan.  There are smart people that worked on the plan and smart people that said it was a bad idea...just as their are smart liberals and smart conservative.  Its just a difference of opinion in direction.

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2009, 05:38:02 PM »
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The department also said initial claims rose 3,000 to a seasonally adjusted 608,000 last week, above analysts' expectations. The four-week average, which smooths fluctuations, fell by 7,000 to 615,750. Continuing claims data lags initial claims by one week.


From your own article.  

UE is still rising.  The only difference now is that people are losing jobs at a slower rate.  The UE is likely to go above 10% and stay there for a long time.  

It's only slowing because the pool is draining. These revised numbers always go up but people still jump for joy when they first come out. Back in Oct and Nov, they were off by 200,000.

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2009, 05:43:39 PM »
Since when?

I'd like to know too.

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2009, 05:46:21 AM »
It's only slowing because the pool is draining. These revised numbers always go up but people still jump for joy when they first come out. Back in Oct and Nov, they were off by 200,000.

Go read that article I sent Neuro about the 75 year cycle on the Dow thread.  Neuro said he agreed with a lot of it. 

10% UE is nothing compared to where we are heading. 

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2009, 08:17:24 AM »
Go read that article I sent Neuro about the 75 year cycle on the Dow thread.  Neuro said he agreed with a lot of it. 

10% UE is nothing compared to where we are heading. 

Check out Shadowstats, he thinks unemplyment is at 20%.

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Re: Obama Predicts 10% Unemployment!
« Reply #49 on: June 19, 2009, 08:18:32 AM »
Check out Shadowstats, he thinks unemplyment is at 20%.

The lies that are being told by the govt are incredible.