South Africa...wonderful place

[the_steevo_uk]

This country is getting worse and worse...I wish people would stop the bullshit political correctness and realise this country is going down the tubes  


South African rape survey shock

One in four South African men questioned in a survey said they had raped someone, and nearly half admitted having attacked more than one victim.

The study, by the country's Medical Research Council, also found three out of four who admitted rape had attacked for the first time during their teens.

It said practices such as gang rape were common because they were considered a form of male bonding.

The MRC spoke to 1,738 men in KwaZulu-Natal and Eastern Cape provinces. The research was conducted in both rural and urban areas and included all racial groups.

Using an electronic device to keep the results anonymous, the study found that 73% of respondents said they had carried out their first assault before the age of 20.

Almost half who said they had carried out a rape admitted they had done so more than once. One in 20 men surveyed said they had raped a woman or girl in the last year.

Professor Rachel Jewkes of the MRC, who carried out the research, told the BBC's World Today programme: "The absolute imperative is we have to change the underlying social attitudes that in a way have created a norm that coercing women into sex is on some level acceptable.

"We know that we have a higher prevalence of rape in South Africa than there is in other countries.

"And it's partly rooted in our incredibly disturbed past and the way that South African men over the centuries have been socialised into forms of masculinity that are predicated on the idea of being strong and tough and the use of force to assert dominance and control over women, as well as other men."

She added that all the victims in the main survey were said to be women, but participants were also interviewed about male rape.

The study found that one in 10 men said they had been raped by other men.
   
'I don't think it's cultural per se; I think it has to do with how a lot of us men worldwide were raised' claimed Mbuyiselo Botha of the
South African Men's Forum

Some 3% of the men interviewed said they had coerced a man or a boy into sex.

The participants were also tested for HIV and the authors of the survey were surprised that men who had raped were not more likely to test positive for the virus.

Mbuyiselo Botha, from the South African Men's Forum, which campaigns for women's rights, told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme that any view of women as "fair game" had to be challenged.

Mr Botha, a father of two girls himself, said: "I think that yes, the figures are that high and for us, for me in particular, that is a very sad state of affairs.

"It means that we continue in South Africa to be one of the highest capitals of rape in the world.

"I don't think it's cultural per se; I think it has to do with how a lot of us men worldwide were raised. The issues of dominance against women, issues of inequality, are pervasive and you find them throughout the world."

South Africa's government has been repeatedly criticised for failing to address the country's rape epidemic.

A recent trade union report said a child was being raped in South Africa every three minutes with the vast majority of those cases going unreported.

[SAMSON123]

Where is america any better? While South Africa was in the midst of the worst white racism, Oh let me be politically correct...APARTHEID..ame rica was one of the MAIN NATIONS supporting it and enforcing it. American businesses flooded the nation, provided ammunition and even nuclear weapons and plenty of business...where was the outrage.concern then when the whites routinely shot and killed Africans because they wanted jobs, respect, rights protected??? Now you are fed daily reports of supposed rape, dismemberment, gangs yadda yadda yadda.

Here are the REAL CRIMINALS of South Africa: the whites who once lived well off of the Africans and their poverty. Whites had them essentially as slaves while they lived lavishly in near mansion homes, luxury estates, top notch cars, etc...now they are reduced to peasants, trash and thieves begging for money as the Africans move up and they are brought down. Now they know the reality of what they have done to others.

Not to worry though...the same criminal activity in other lands is already effecting america and it will become so bad soon you will be looking to EXIT america ASAP...but where will you go??

[Kazan]

Where is america any better? While South Africa was in the midst of the worst white racism, Oh let me be politically correct...APARTHEID..ame rica was one of the MAIN NATIONS supporting it and enforcing it. American businesses flooded the nation, provided ammunition and even nuclear weapons and plenty of business...where was the outrage.concern then when the whites routinely shot and killed Africans because they wanted jobs, respect, rights protected??? Now you are fed daily reports of supposed rape, dismemberment, gangs yadda yadda yadda.

Here are the REAL CRIMINALS of South Africa: the whites who once lived well off of the Africans and their poverty. Whites had them essentially as slaves while they lived lavishly in near mansion homes, luxury estates, top notch cars, etc...now they are reduced to peasants, trash and thieves begging for money as the Africans move up and they are brought down. Now they know the reality of what they have done to others.

Not to worry though...the same criminal activity in other lands is already effecting america and it will become so bad soon you will be looking to EXIT america ASAP...but where will you go??

Ah what a bunch of horse shit, you and your kind are always wanting to blame someone else for your problems. Grow a pair and take respomsibility for being weak.

[SAMSON123]

Ah what a bunch of horse shit, you and your kind are always wanting to blame someone else for your problems. Grow a pair and take respomsibility for being weak.

Can't handle the TRUTH I see...

[Kazan]

Can't handle the TRUTH I see...

I can handle the truth just fine, you gonna tell me all about the native americans now? I'm still wating. The last thing I want or need is some is some assclown like yourself telling me how I'm supposed to feel. Africa is just like america 200 years ago, they have all broken up into their tribes and now all the old grudges are back. Seems to me since the black man has been given rule over the continent it has turned into one big war torn shit hole. You gonna blame that on whitey? Hutu and Tutsi in Rawanda, was that whitey's fault also? All the corrupt fuckers running these pissant coutries, black guys, I suppose that somehow whitey is behind that to?

[Fury]

Can't handle the TRUTH I see...

Just look to Zimbabwe to see what happens to a country when the uneducated and lazy take control of it. What was once one of the crown jewels of Africa has now been reduced to a dilapidated wasteland. 

[OzmO]

I worked with a guy from S.A. a few years back.  He was trying to find a way to get his family out of there.  He said it was lawless in many places.

[Hedgehog]

The problem with South Africa is that the blacks have no tradition of democracy.

That's not really a controversial thing to say.

Look at any place where cultures have had short traditions of democracy.

It took Europe 2000-3000 years to develop democracy.

Now we expect Africa to do it in 10 years?

We have to at least understand why there will be problem.

There are little or no democratic traditions with these people.

It's that simple.

Africans don't have any century old tradition about democracy.

There are some fixes, if you believe a guy like political scientist Robert Putnam.

If you organise people in local clubs, like football clubs,  choirs, dance clubs, et al, you will get an increased democracy in thes places.

[GigantorX]

Where is america any better? While South Africa was in the midst of the worst white racism, Oh let me be politically correct...APARTHEID..ame rica was one of the MAIN NATIONS supporting it and enforcing it. American businesses flooded the nation, provided ammunition and even nuclear weapons and plenty of business...where was the outrage.concern then when the whites routinely shot and killed Africans because they wanted jobs, respect, rights protected??? Now you are fed daily reports of supposed rape, dismemberment, gangs yadda yadda yadda.

Here are the REAL CRIMINALS of South Africa: the whites who once lived well off of the Africans and their poverty. Whites had them essentially as slaves while they lived lavishly in near mansion homes, luxury estates, top notch cars, etc...now they are reduced to peasants, trash and thieves begging for money as the Africans move up and they are brought down. Now they know the reality of what they have done to others.

Not to worry though...the same criminal activity in other lands is already effecting america and it will become so bad soon you will be looking to EXIT america ASAP...but where will you go??

You truly are an idiot. The gimmick is old and stale now.

[SAMSON123]

I can handle the truth just fine, you gonna tell me all about the native americans now? I'm still wating. The last thing I want or need is some is some assclown like yourself telling me how I'm supposed to feel. Africa is just like america 200 years ago, they have all broken up into their tribes and now all the old grudges are back. Seems to me since the black man has been given rule over the continent it has turned into one big war torn shit hole. You gonna blame that on whitey? Hutu and Tutsi in Rawanda, was that whitey's fault also? All the corrupt fuckers running these pissant coutries, black guys, I suppose that somehow whitey is behind that to?

[SAMSON123]

Just look to Zimbabwe to see what happens to a country when the uneducated and lazy take control of it. What was once one of the crown jewels of Africa has now been reduced to a dilapidated wasteland. 

Yes the american imposed Mugabe has destroyed Zimbabwe (I just loved how he snatched whitey off of land they had claimed for themselves...isn't that just like them), just like the white scum Cecil Rhodes before him. You do know about Cecil don't you? How come the american imposed dictators always destroy countries no matter where they go, Iran, Iraq, just about every African nation, Pakistan, Afghaistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Mexico, Guatemala, Columbia, Haiti, Argentina, Peru etc etc etc. You do your dirt america and then turn around to blame the innocent. Not to worry though...right about now is america's turn for proper comeuppance.

[SAMSON123]

The problem with South Africa is that the blacks have no tradition of democracy.

That's not really a controversial thing to say.

Look at any place where cultures have had short traditions of democracy.

It took Europe 2000-3000 years to develop democracy.

Now we expect Africa to do it in 10 years?

We have to at least understand why there will be problem.

There are little or no democratic traditions with these people.

It's that simple.

Africans don't have any century old tradition about democracy.

There are some fixes, if you believe a guy like political scientist Robert Putnam.

If you organise people in local clubs, like football clubs,  choirs, dance clubs, et al, you will get an increased democracy in thes places.

DEMOCRACY STARTED IN AFRICA... and for you to make the comment of a country not having long standing democratic systems shows your stupidity and lack of education. Only in the cesspool of europe has dictatorships existed for two millenia with nothing but savage behavior, rogue governments and a mindless population obsessed with deviance and decadence.

The only problem in Africa is getting WHITES OUT OF AFRICA. Do you not realize how Africa was prior to whites entering? Obviously not. So the same with the country now called america. It was described as a PARADISE by whites who visited/migrated who lived in the CESSPOOL known as Europe (it still is not that far from a cesspool today). Whites were educated in Africa and in America by the same people. Sadly the education was not retained and soon whites returned to the same savage mindset that they have always had. A country as bountiful as america has been reduced to a shell of itself with corrupt white government, ridiculous laws and regulation, horrendous treatment of natural resources, destruction of the environment and let me not have to get into the human rights violations over the centuries.

DON'T EVER TRY TO DEFEND AMERICA OR WHITES YOU WILL FAIL EVERY TIME...

[Nordic Superman]

Care to explain how the political concept of democracy started in Africa?

[SAMSON123]

Care to explain how the political concept of democracy started in Africa?

Gee Lemme see...the people elected a King to lead them. The KING being a man who was WISE in many areas and disciplines and more importantly to the needs of the people and was able to orchestrate the masses to accomplish what they could not do individually. That is democracy. It is a simple process...uncomplicated.

Democracy IS NOT GOING INTO A RIGGED POLL BOOTH TO "ELECT" A PERSON BECAUSE HE WAS THE PERFECT LIAR DURING HIS CAMPAIGN, WHO AFTERWARD USURPS THE PEOPLE AS ANY DICTATOR WOULD. That is what you call democracy in america... a system of deception, lies, greed, corruption, lameness with the "belief" that you have rights, opinions, control, a say in how a country runs.

You need many African history classes to enlighten you where your "white" history classes have COMPLETELY FAILED YOU...

[Nordic Superman]

Gee Lemme see...the people elected a King to lead them. The KING being a man who was WISE in many areas and disciplines and more importantly to the needs of the people and was able to orchestrate the masses to accomplish what they could not do individually. That is democracy. It is a simple process...uncomplicated.

Democracy IS NOT GOING INTO A RIGGED POLL BOOTH TO "ELECT" A PERSON BECAUSE HE WAS THE PERFECT LIAR DURING HIS CAMPAIGN, WHO AFTERWARD USURPS THE PEOPLE AS ANY DICTATOR WOULD. That is what you call democracy in america... a system of deception, lies, greed, corruption, lameness with the "belief" that you have rights, opinions, control, a say in how a country runs.

You need many African history classes to enlighten you where your "white" history classes have COMPLETELY FAILED YOU...

Hmm... A "King" would be an monarchy position second only to "Emperor" which is inherited through blood line / war etc.

Now... I know your language abilities are impeded by your inferior potential for intelligence (due to being African) but what I was really asking for was "show the tangible evidence that democracy was created and practised in Africa".

Also, my "white" education has faired me well, and also my predecessors and many other people including non-whites that flock to "white" educational establishments to get the BEST educations on Earth.

[Kazan]

[Hedgehog]

DEMOCRACY STARTED IN AFRICA... and for you to make the comment of a country not having long standing democratic systems shows your stupidity and lack of education. Only in the cesspool of europe has dictatorships existed for two millenia with nothing but savage behavior, rogue governments and a mindless population obsessed with deviance and decadence.

The only problem in Africa is getting WHITES OUT OF AFRICA. Do you not realize how Africa was prior to whites entering? Obviously not. So the same with the country now called america. It was described as a PARADISE by whites who visited/migrated who lived in the CESSPOOL known as Europe (it still is not that far from a cesspool today). Whites were educated in Africa and in America by the same people. Sadly the education was not retained and soon whites returned to the same savage mindset that they have always had. A country as bountiful as america has been reduced to a shell of itself with corrupt white government, ridiculous laws and regulation, horrendous treatment of natural resources, destruction of the environment and let me not have to get into the human rights violations over the centuries.

There were plenty of tribal wars in Africa before the "white man" came. Would you prefer that the Africans were brought back to their stone age technology with bows and arrows, no electricity, and no internet forums to post conspiracy theories on?



DON'T EVER TRY TO DEFEND AMERICA OR WHITES YOU WILL FAIL EVERY TIME...

What does that have to do whit anything?

DEMOCRACY STARTED IN AFRICA...

What?

Please elaborate.

Where in Africa did democracy start?


and for you to make the comment of a country not having long standing democratic systems shows your stupidity and lack of education.

I'm sorry, but I think you misread, or at least misinterpretated my post.

I didn't even make a comment about any specific country not having long standing democratic systems.

I made the comment that blacks - and later in the post - Africans don't have a long tradition of democracy.


Only in the cesspool of europe has dictatorships existed for two millenia with nothing but savage behavior, rogue governments and a mindless population obsessed with deviance and decadence.

This is your description of Europe, and it's accurate. Some would argue that during over these millenias brilliant minds like Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Einstein et al prospered. But your description is no less valid though, horrible things happened, I will definitely give you that.

But the thing is that it took two-three thousand years for Europe to develop into a relatively developed area of Democracy.

Why do you think oil companies like Shell are leeching the hell out of Nigeria?

Because there is no Democratic tradition in Nigeria. All they need to do is to bribe a few government offcials and they're good to go.

They could never get away with that in a a real democracy.


But in a total djungle land  like Nigeria, it's like stealing candy from kids.


You claim Africa is the home of Democrcacy.

Then tell me why all the democratic traditions of these Africans haven't been able to protect them from the greed of the white men?


You know, I am actually in support of nationalizing national resources like oil, et al in Africa.

Because I don't like to see companies like Shell leeching on Africa.

But one thing is clear.

The Africans are very poor at conductiong democracy on their own. We need to admit that. You're just a fool for trying to pretend otherwise.

Sure, stealing and robbing the land from the Africans isn't right. But look at the Rwanda slaying.

What do you think about that?



The only problem in Africa is getting WHITES OUT OF AFRICA. Do you not realize how Africa was prior to whites entering? Obviously not. So the same with the country now called america. It was described as a PARADISE by whites who visited/migrated who lived in the CESSPOOL known as Europe (it still is not that far from a cesspool today). Whites were educated in Africa and in America by the same people. Sadly the education was not retained and soon whites returned to the same savage mindset that they have always had. A country as bountiful as america has been reduced to a shell of itself with corrupt white government, ridiculous laws and regulation, horrendous treatment of natural resources, destruction of the environment and let me not have to get into the human rights violations over the centuries.

DON'T EVER TRY TO DEFEND AMERICA OR WHITES YOU WILL FAIL EVERY TIME...