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House eyes new taxes as senators pare health bill

Jun 19, 7:42 AM (ET)

By ERICA WERNER

WASHINGTON (AP) - Early work on the ambitious health care overhaul the Obama administration is seeking has exposed the kinds of in-house fights that typify just how hard it will be to get meaningful legislation this year. Case in point: A proposal to help bankroll universal health coverage with a dime-a-can increase in the price of soft drinks.

House Democrats have lots of potential targets for higher taxes as they aim to expand health care coverage to reach the roughly 50 million that experts say are uninsured.

Also under consideration are higher alcohol taxes, increases to the Medicare payroll tax and a value-added tax, a sort of national sales tax, of up to 1.5 percent or more.

The list of options being weighed by the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, and obtained Thursday by The Associated Press, aims to raise some $600 billion over 10 years to partially pay for President Barack Obama's goal of overhauling the nation's health care system to tame costs and cover the 50 million uninsured.

The final price tag for that effort could top $1 trillion, with cuts to Medicare and Medicaid covering the rest of the cost.

The tax options include:

- Increasing the price of soda and other sugary drinks by 10 cents a can.

- Applying a potential 2 percent income tax increase to single taxpayers earning more than $200,000 a year and households earning more than $250,000.

- A new employer payroll tax could target 3 percent of employers' health care expenditures.

- Taxing employer-provided health insurance benefits above certain levels - a less likely option but one that still is in the running.


House Democrats planned to unveil a draft of their sweeping health care bill Friday. It would require all individuals to obtain health insurance and force employers to offer health care to their workers, with exemptions for small businesses. A new public health insurance plan, strongly opposed by Republicans, would compete with private companies within a new health care purchasing "exchange" where Americans could shop for coverage. Government subsidies would help the poor buy care.

The draft, being released at a news conference of the chairmen of the three committees with jurisdiction - Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, and Education and Labor - was not expected to mention the potentially unpopular tax options.

On the other side of the Capitol, two Senate committees were going in separate directions on their health care bills. The Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee spent a second full day working on an expansive bill reflecting Democratic priorities, while members of the Finance Committee were laboring to produce legislation that could attract Republican support.

To that end Finance Committee senators were looking at leaving a new public insurance plan out of their bill, instead creating nonprofit co-ops to offer insurance in competition with private companies, according to an outline obtained by The Associated Press. The co-ops could accept federal loans for startup operations, but would have to repay the money.

Struggling to pare their bill from an earlier $1.6 trillion cost estimate to about $1 trillion over 10 years, Finance Committee members also were looking at making federal subsidies available to help families with incomes of up to 300 percent of poverty, or $66,000, purchase insurance. An earlier proposal set the level at 400 percent of poverty, or $88,000.

Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., reviewed the plans behind closed doors Thursday with a group of senators he deemed "the coalition of the willing." Republicans present were top committee Republican Charles Grassley of Iowa, Orrin Hatch of Utah and Olympia Snowe of Maine.

"We're getting closer and closer," Baucus said during a break in the meeting. "There's no doubt in my mind we're going to have a bipartisan bill."

Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who's presiding over the Health Committee work session, dismissed bipartisanship as an end in itself.

"My goal here is to write a good bill. My goal is not bipartisanship," said Dodd, who has taken the committee reins in the absence of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., who's being treated for brain cancer.

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AP Special Correspondent David Espo contributed to this report.

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10% UE is going to seem like the good ole days after the RATS get through with us.

While GWB was a horrible president, what this Admn and the Congreess are doing is unspeakable and reckless beyond all definitions of the word.


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House eyes new taxes as senators pare health bill

Jun 19, 7:42 AM (ET)

By ERICA WERNER

WASHINGTON (AP) - Early work on the ambitious health care overhaul the Obama administration is seeking has exposed the kinds of in-house fights that typify just how hard it will be to get meaningful legislation this year. Case in point: A proposal to help bankroll universal health coverage with a dime-a-can increase in the price of soft drinks.

House Democrats have lots of potential targets for higher taxes as they aim to expand health care coverage to reach the roughly 50 million that experts say are uninsured.

Also under consideration are higher alcohol taxes, increases to the Medicare payroll tax and a value-added tax, a sort of national sales tax, of up to 1.5 percent or more.

The list of options being weighed by the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, and obtained Thursday by The Associated Press, aims to raise some $600 billion over 10 years to partially pay for President Barack Obama's goal of overhauling the nation's health care system to tame costs and cover the 50 million uninsured.

The final price tag for that effort could top $1 trillion, with cuts to Medicare and Medicaid covering the rest of the cost.

The tax options include:

- Increasing the price of soda and other sugary drinks by 10 cents a can.

- Applying a potential 2 percent income tax increase to single taxpayers earning more than $200,000 a year and households earning more than $250,000.

- A new employer payroll tax could target 3 percent of employers' health care expenditures.

- Taxing employer-provided health insurance benefits above certain levels - a less likely option but one that still is in the running.


House Democrats planned to unveil a draft of their sweeping health care bill Friday. It would require all individuals to obtain health insurance and force employers to offer health care to their workers, with exemptions for small businesses. A new public health insurance plan, strongly opposed by Republicans, would compete with private companies within a new health care purchasing "exchange" where Americans could shop for coverage. Government subsidies would help the poor buy care.

The draft, being released at a news conference of the chairmen of the three committees with jurisdiction - Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, and Education and Labor - was not expected to mention the potentially unpopular tax options.

On the other side of the Capitol, two Senate committees were going in separate directions on their health care bills. The Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee spent a second full day working on an expansive bill reflecting Democratic priorities, while members of the Finance Committee were laboring to produce legislation that could attract Republican support.

To that end Finance Committee senators were looking at leaving a new public insurance plan out of their bill, instead creating nonprofit co-ops to offer insurance in competition with private companies, according to an outline obtained by The Associated Press. The co-ops could accept federal loans for startup operations, but would have to repay the money.

Struggling to pare their bill from an earlier $1.6 trillion cost estimate to about $1 trillion over 10 years, Finance Committee members also were looking at making federal subsidies available to help families with incomes of up to 300 percent of poverty, or $66,000, purchase insurance. An earlier proposal set the level at 400 percent of poverty, or $88,000.

Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., reviewed the plans behind closed doors Thursday with a group of senators he deemed "the coalition of the willing." Republicans present were top committee Republican Charles Grassley of Iowa, Orrin Hatch of Utah and Olympia Snowe of Maine.

"We're getting closer and closer," Baucus said during a break in the meeting. "There's no doubt in my mind we're going to have a bipartisan bill."

Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who's presiding over the Health Committee work session, dismissed bipartisanship as an end in itself.

"My goal here is to write a good bill. My goal is not bipartisanship," said Dodd, who has taken the committee reins in the absence of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., who's being treated for brain cancer.

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AP Special Correspondent David Espo contributed to this report.

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10% UE is going to seem like the good ole days after the RATS get through with us.

While GWB was a horrible president, what this Admn and the Congreess are doing is unspeakable and reckless beyond all definitions of the word.



HOLD UP!!! WAIT A MINUTE!!!

Didn't Obama SWEAR before God (and a whole bunch of white people) that NOBODY making under $250K would get his/her taxes hiked up?


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This Admn is the most reckless in my memory. 

HOW THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO PAY FOR THIS CRAP???????????

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This Admn is the most reckless in my memory. 

HOW THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO PAY FOR THIS CRAP???????????

Hint: Bend over, American taxpayers!!!

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Hint: Bend over, American taxpayers!!!

This VAT thing is scary as hell.  You know it is not going to stop at 1.5%! 

Obama - Chains and Communism to believe in. 


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This VAT thing is scary as hell.  You know it is not going to stop at 1.5%! 

Obama - Chains and Communism to believe in. 


It certainly won't. As we've already seen, Obama tends to underestimate the costs of his programs.

At this rate, "change" will be the only thing left in the pockets of the American people.


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This Admn is the most reckless in my memory. 

HOW THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO PAY FOR THIS CRAP???????????

Sell Palins GOP financed wardrobe.   8)
 

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Sell Palins GOP financed wardrobe.   8)
 

If 150k would pay for A 1.6 TRILLION DOLLAR plan, fine, but its obvious you are going to the same math school that Obama went to if you think that is going to work.   

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If 150k would pay for A 1.6 TRILLION DOLLAR plan, fine, but its obvious you are going to the same math school that Obama went to if you think that is going to work.   

Re-elect George W Bush !

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Re-elect George W Bush !

Why????  He already did get releected but with black skin. 

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This is what we get for electing people who's sole purpose in life is to be a politician.

I wish they would all just go home on January 2, 2009 and stay there. 

Obama and the RATS are far worse that GWB was as far as spending goes. 

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The more I hear about the national health care plan the more I dislike it.

First, we have no money for this right now.  Obama promised it wouldn't contribute to our national debt during the election...it absolutely will, unless taxes are raised significantly.  Another financial miscalculation or failed promise.

Second, sounds like trial lawyers are at the table on this one, will all their political power & influence.  We won't get the necessary malpractice reform needed to lower costs, insurance premiums, defensive medicine practices and eliminate frivelous lawsuits which are often settled out of court so hospitals & insurance companies don't have to go through trial...even if its a crappy suit.

Third, the burden of payment, again will fall on the middle and upper class.  Nearly 40% of people in this country do not pay federal income tax (people who don't report, poor, immigrants).  The people who don't pay tax are the most likely to use the federal plan.  I'd much rather see another type of tax so everyone shares in some of the burden.

Fourth- poor precident.  Every government ran healthcare program is bad.  Medicare & Medicaid loose tons of money and the VA system gives poor care.

Fifth- there are alternatives.  The government could allow competition of insurance companies across state lines.  Gov could also help regulate charges, reimbursement and contracts to ensure fairness and general consumer protection.  I'd rather see the government regulate than run healthcare.

Sixth- gov will favor more regulation, more management and favor a big system approach, which always costs more.  Some of the problems we have in healthcare now are related to huge hospital systems dictating everything, wasting money and the doctors having very limited influence.  Care is best left to the patient, the doctor and nurse without hospital bureaucrats and busniessmen.  Hospitals control care and many treat docs like shit...expendible.  They say 'patients first' and 'doctors are in charge', but thats not at all what happens in a big hospital system.

There are more but I am tired of typing...

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Fifth- there are alternatives.  The government could allow competition of insurance companies across state lines.  Gov could also help regulate charges, reimbursement and contracts to ensure fairness and general consumer protection.  I'd rather see the government regulate than run healthcare.



This alone would massively drive down costs. 

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That 46-50 million uninsured # is also misleading.  Many people choose not to pay for healthcare (ie young people with few medical issues)...its not that they don't have access.  Also, there are 15-18 million illegal immigrants in this country, that accounts for a significant %.

It seems that everyone is jumping on the feel-good bandwagon of 'yeah, lets have free healthcare for everyone' without having any f'n clue of the details or how we'd pay for this albatross.

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Another...allow group insurance purchasing for individuals so they get the same discounts as large companies.

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The more I hear about the national health care plan the more I dislike it.

Join the club!!! Many Americans feel the same way, as the news channels have been consistently reporting. That's why ABC won't let anyone else critique Obama's "infomercial" about his plan next week.


First, we have no money for this right now.  Obama promised it wouldn't contribute to our national debt during the election...it absolutely will, unless taxes are raised significantly.  Another financial miscalculation or failed promise.

Second, sounds like trial lawyers are at the table on this one, will all their political power & influence.  We won't get the necessary malpractice reform needed to lower costs, insurance premiums, defensive medicine practices and eliminate frivelous lawsuits which are often settled out of court so hospitals & insurance companies don't have to go through trial...even if its a crappy suit.

Third, the burden of payment, again will fall on the middle and upper class.  Nearly 40% of people in this country do not pay federal income tax (people who don't report, poor, immigrants).  The people who don't pay tax are the most likely to use the federal plan.  I'd much rather see another type of tax so everyone shares in some of the burden.

Fourth- poor precident.  Every government ran healthcare program is bad.  Medicare & Medicaid loose tons of money and the VA system gives poor care.

Fifth- there are alternatives.  The government could allow competition of insurance companies across state lines.  Gov could also help regulate charges, reimbursement and contracts to ensure fairness and general consumer protection.  I'd rather see the government regulate than run healthcare.

Sixth- gov will favor more regulation, more management and favor a big system approach, which always costs more.  Some of the problems we have in healthcare now are related to huge hospital systems dictating everything, wasting money and the doctors having very limited influence.  Care is best left to the patient, the doctor and nurse without hospital bureaucrats and busniessmen.  Hospitals control care and many treat docs like shit...expendible.  They say 'patients first' and 'doctors are in charge', but thats not at all what happens in a big hospital system.

There are more but I am tired of typing...


In short, as the saying goes, Obama let his mouth write checks his behind can't cash.


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Notice how the usual gang of butt kissers are silent????

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Notice how the usual gang of butt kissers are silent????

They'll get thrown in the furnace, if they don't bow before the 90-ft statue of Obama when the music cues.

But, they'll be here soon enough!!!

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They'll get thrown in the furnace, if they don't bow before the 90-ft statue of Obama when the music cues.

But, they'll be here soon enough!!!

 ;D

You know whats hysterical???

GWB was cursed for "rushing into war".

Yet

These same people who cursed GWB now want us to rush into trillions on health care, cap and trade, bailouts, etc with no way to pay for it. 

You cant make this up.  You think people would learn from mistakes of the past. 



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Very true...you see the mistakes that our made when our gov rushes into things.
We need balanced government and a balanced public debate on healthcare.  This administration cannot just jam this through...its too big.

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Very true...you see the mistakes that our made when our gov rushes into things.
We need balanced government and a balanced public debate on healthcare.  This administration cannot just jam this through...its too big.

Check this out. 

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/


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Can't we just cut off the billions spent on foreigners, both abroad AND domestic? 

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I blame Oprah for all of this. She should have just shut her fat mouth.

"The One". pffft  ::) :P

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I blame Oprah for all of this. She should have just shut her fat mouth.

"The One". pffft  ::) :P

That is a sad but true statement on how easily people are swayed by "celebrity"
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