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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/18/minnesota.music.download.fine/index.html?iref=newssearch

The big corps and politicians in both parties are trying to dictate what anyone does on their computer in their homes.

That's just not right.

I hope this become a real big issue in the mid term elections and that everyone press their candidate on how they will vote on privacy legalizations.

The government should not be allowed to check up on what a citizen is doing with his or her computer!!! >:(

Let alone allow a fcuking corporation scan the traffic out of their homes.


That's beyond messed up.

We need to put an end to this globally. >:(


France is doing this to their citizens, but they're fcuking backwards there, Sarkozy is a fcuking Fascist.
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isn't there some type of software that comes with a bi-torrent that disables spy ware?

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isn't there some type of software that comes with a bi-torrent that disables spy ware?

There are numerous solutions.

But that's not the issue IMO.

The issue is that big corporations and politicians are ganging up on individuals rights, trying to spy on what you and I do with our computers! >:(

This is just bullshit.

And we need to say enough of this.


These companies have plenty of lobbyists in Brussels, London and Washington.

But we can't let these fcukfaces kill our freedom.


I never thought I would agree with a nutjob like Billy Mimbo, but the Government should stay the fcuk out of my life.


At least on this issue.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/18/minnesota.music.download.fine/index.html?iref=newssearch

The big corps and politicians in both parties are trying to dictate what anyone does on their computer in their homes.

That's just not right.

I hope this become a real big issue in the mid term elections and that everyone press their candidate on how they will vote on privacy legalizations.

The government should not be allowed to check up on what a citizen is doing with his or her computer!!! >:(

Let alone allow a fcuking corporation scan the traffic out of their homes.


That's beyond messed up.

We need to put an end to this globally. >:(


France is doing this to their citizens, but they're fcuking backwards there, Sarkozy is a fcuking Fascist.

 :o  Harsh, but what's the alternative?  How do you prevent illegal downloads, or punish someone when they do it?

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:o  Harsh, but what's the alternative?  How do you prevent illegal downloads, or punish someone when they do it?

Here's the thing:

There should be regulation on filesharing between individuals. One reason, among many, is that to regulate, it infringe the individual privacy.

What could/should be regulated is filesharing between corporations.



I am a big believer in privacy.

And that personal freedom is a fundamental to our democracy.
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:o  Harsh, but what's the alternative?  How do you prevent illegal downloads, or punish someone when they do it?

To clarify:

Between individuals there won't be any illegal downloads since filesharing should not be illegal between private persons.

So the need to punish individuals won't exist.

Only corporate filesharing should be regulated.
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To clarify:

Between individuals there won't be any illegal downloads since filesharing should not be illegal between private persons.

So the need to punish individuals won't exist.

Only corporate filesharing should be regulated.

I understand the file sharing between individuals part, but what about the person who downloads music without paying for it?  Are you saying that shouldn't be regulated?

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I understand the file sharing between individuals part, but what about the person who downloads music without paying for it?  Are you saying that shouldn't be regulated?
isn't this kind of stupid.  Before the internet countless people copied from record to tape, from radio to tape, from tape to tape etc.  Most home sterio systems were/are geared to do this. Anyone could walk right into the library, pick up a recording they liked, go home and copy it and many did.  You still can.  Then again many wanted to own the actual recordings released so they bought them and they still do that.  I understand going after the people who provide the service.  Before the internet they went after pirates that copied in mass making it available for cheap.  The change here is going after people for having copies.  What about a person who buys a bunch of CDs, copies them and then sells the original.  That happens a lot but they don't go after those people.  What happens when you copied your music and your collection was stolen.  What happens if your collection was stole so you downloaded the music?  What happens when you've bought the music and your copy is wore out after years.  Some people burn the CD and play the burned CD saving the original from wear so they can have it much longer.  Well what's the difference between that and someone who downloaded a copy of something they had but doesn't play worth a shit anymore.  I could go on and on with other examples...

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isn't this kind of stupid.  Before the internet countless people copied from record to tape, from radio to tape, from tape to tape etc.  Most home sterio systems were/are geared to do this. Anyone could walk right into the library, pick up a recording they liked, go home and copy it and many did.  You still can.  Then again many wanted to own the actual recordings released so they bought them and they still do that.  I understand going after the people who provide the service.  Before the internet they went after pirates that copied in mass making it available for cheap.  The change here is going after people for having copies.  What about a person who buys a bunch of CDs, copies them and then sells the original.  That happens a lot but they don't go after those people.  What happens when you copied your music and your collection was stolen.  What happens if your collection was stole so you downloaded the music?  What happens when you've bought the music and your copy is wore out after years.  Some people burn the CD and play the burned CD saving the original from wear so they can have it much longer.  Well what's the difference between that and someone who downloaded a copy of something they had but doesn't play worth a shit anymore.  I could go on and on with other examples...

I agree it's pretty futile and a waste of resources to go after people for copying. 

Maybe I don't completely understand how this stuff works.  What exactly is an "illegal download"?  Is that were someone buys a song, puts it on the internet, and someone else then downloads the song for free?     

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I agree it's pretty futile and a waste of resources to go after people for copying. 

Maybe I don't completely understand how this stuff works.  What exactly is an "illegal download"?  Is that were someone buys a song, puts it on the internet, and someone else then downloads the song for free?     
that's pretty much it.

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I'm also having a hard time believing that a jury would nail a mother for 24 songs with this kind of judgement.  This is like 1.9 trillion dollar judgement against a large corporation.  Wouldn't happen.  I can't fathom that it did not happen without pressure on the jury.  That should be investigated because if that happened, it's a much bigger crime than downloading 24 songs.

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that's pretty much it.

Thanks.  Don't you have to agree to some conditions when you pay for a song before it's downloaded?  If so, then if anything I'd go after the person who posts it on the net after paying for it, not anyone else who later downloads the same music.  

This all does sound like a royal waste of time.  

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What's the point of slapping a woman with a 1.9 million dollar fine if she never going to pay it?

Is this all done to discourage piracy? 

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What's the point of slapping a woman with a 1.9 million dollar fine if she never going to pay it?

Is this all done to discourage piracy? 
it's corporate terrorism.  They've destroyed this woman and her kid's lives for a number of years in order to effect change in a population.  She'll probably have to pay an amount of her earnings every month.  I don't know, maybe she can declare bankruptcy.  I don't know if that works for this.  Anyway, this is nothing but corporate terrorism.  I would say people should strike back by boycotting the music industry but that won't happen.

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I understand the file sharing between individuals part, but what about the person who downloads music without paying for it?  Are you saying that shouldn't be regulated?

If you buy a record, then you should be allowed to share it with whoever you want.

However you want.

I used to be of the opinion that there should be some type of "internet tax" that would then be re-distributed to artists, film makers and writers.

But I've come to understand that it is an old way of thinking.


People will pay for what they perceive is worth paying for.
And they shouldn't be punished for sharing information over the internet.


Trying to legislate and hunting down individuals, making a whole world into criminals, is just anti-technology.


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it's corporate terrorism.  They've destroyed this woman and her kid's lives

+1

I agree.

I want to add that it's all done with the good support of most of the current Congressmen.





And Obama is yet to speak out in favor of filesharing and internet rights. >:(
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it's corporate terrorism.  They've destroyed this woman and her kid's lives for a number of years in order to effect change in a population.  She'll probably have to pay an amount of her earnings every month.  I don't know, maybe she can declare bankruptcy.  I don't know if that works for this.  Anyway, this is nothing but corporate terrorism.  I would say people should strike back by boycotting the music industry but that won't happen.

i say they have struck back in some respects.....

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We can't just sit back and let these fcukers anally rape us on this one.

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We can't just sit back and let these fcukers anally rape us on this one.


seems the only people who've ever figured out how to have some success in standing up to shit they don't like are gun owners--NRA.  I know you won't like that example but to me it seems the only way.  People create an association and pay a small fee and then the RIAA and other rats will take a different view when they're up against teams of crack lawyers burying them in counter lawsuits.  Not to mention this issue is going worldwide now.  People start joining around the world and they won't have to pay very much at all to create a colossus to match them...

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seems the only people who've ever figured out how to have some success in standing up to shit they don't like are gun owners--NRA.  I know you won't like that example but to me it seems the only way.  People create association and pay a small fee and then the RIAA and other rats will take a different view when they're up against teams of crack lawyers burying them in counter lawsuits.

I think internet privacy and freedom is a big symbol for everything American, and something that the whole spectrum of people of all walks of life will be able to find a reason to fight for.

Guys like the homos in San Franscisco, as well as the anti-govermnent nutjobs in Montana.

Nerds on campus that wears Ron Paul Revolution teeshirts and sports Jansport backpackers with peanutbutter sammiches.

And pornoholics/ web designers surfing the web at their freetime. ;D

Many Republicans will probably find a reason to fight this fight because they could probably see the integrity aspect of the issue.

And mainly, the average American will hopefully see that the government is currently shooting down the personal freedoms and will start to say that enough is enough.
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I think internet privacy and freedom is a big symbol for everything American, and something that the whole spectrum of people of all walks of life will be able to find a reason to fight for.

Guys like the homos in San Franscisco, as well as the anti-govermnent nutjobs in Montana.

Nerds on campus that wears Ron Paul Revolution teeshirts and sports Jansport backpackers with peanutbutter sammiches.

And pornoholics/ web designers surfing the web at their freetime. ;D

Many Republicans will probably find a reason to fight this fight because they could probably see the integrity aspect of the issue.

And mainly, the average American will hopefully see that the government is currently shooting down the personal freedoms and will start to say that enough is enough.
sounds cool, but I have a funny hunch nothing will happen and we'll just take it up that ass as usual.

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The internet and cd's changed everything. Sure you were able to record to tape but now it's all digital. There is no loss in sound quality like there were with tapes or records when you record audio, so people have less of an incentive to buy the better quality original like they used to. The internet also reaches millions of people, tapes made by some guy on the street didn't, that's another whammy against the artist and record company.

Plus, so many bands and individual artists make their own cd's or own small recording companies on their dime and time, it's not just huge mega corporations that are losing money, is it fair to them?

People feel like they are now entitled to someone else's hard work without paying for it and hide theft under the guise of personal freedom, what's up with that? Just buy the record or cd or whatever and this becomes a non issue and the government/corporation won't have a need to intrude.

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Good luck with that.....

There's an ethical and moral issue here.  At least that is what some people would tell you.  Is it right to obtain copy righted material illegally?  Is it wrong?  Is it stealing?  Under the guise of "file sharing" and "backing up" we want to download files so we don't have t pay for them at a store.  Plain and simple.  You can down load movies that are still in theaters, sometimes movies that haven't been released yet.  You can download songs; whole discography's.   You can download virtually any song ever recorded and released.  You can download games.  You can download expensive software like Adobe Photo shop or Maya.  All for free.  

Some people would say that's no different than stealing.  So the government, under pressure from the entertainment industry, is trying to find a way to stop millions upon millions of people in the world who just don't give shit.  They figure the more examples they can make the more discouraged people will become and the less pirating there will be.  I hope not.  I think this keeps them honest about the drivel they put out there sometimes.  I think this "file sharing" cannot be stopped and the entertainment industry will have to find a way to put out material that encourages people to spend money on it.  



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Being a great artist brings fame, like it or not. Fame is what brings in the money. The old "starving artist" saying is a romantic dream created by those that don't go hungry trying to create the art.

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The internet and cd's changed everything. Sure you were able to record to tape but now it's all digital. There is no loss in sound quality like there were with tapes or records when you record audio, so people have less of an incentive to buy the better quality original like they used to. The internet also reaches millions of people, tapes made by some guy on the street didn't, that's another whammy against the artist and record company.

Plus, so many bands and individual artists make their own cd's or own small recording companies on their dime and time, it's not just huge mega corporations that are losing money, is it fair to them?

People feel like they are now entitled to someone else's hard work without paying for it, what's up with that? Just buy the record or cd or whatever and this becomes a non issue and the government/corporation won't have a need to intrude.

Individual bands will lose.

But the technological leap is allowing bands to get their music out and then they are making much more money on ttheir tours and gigs and extra activities than they were before the internet.

I think this whole internet-infringement deal in the  name of copyright is fcuking up both the technological advancement, and also creating a Big Brother society we don't want.

And don't give me the bullshit about that we already have it. Ok, if we already have it, give me a reason why it should be fcuking exteneded?


I used to be of the opinion that there should be some type of tax and some type of measuring tool for the traffic. so that a tracker, an unpartial tracker would count what files were shared. But after listening to the pirate activists, I've come to admit that I've been wrong about the whole thing. That I've had an outdated way of thinking.

We need to apply the same type of democratic principles as always on the internet. Look at the individual freedom and guard it.
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