Author Topic: Guy in the gym accused me of doping because of milk coffee (Read 4933 times)

kiwiol · « **Reply #25 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:09:04 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on June 25, 2009, 03:55:16 AM

Yes, he is right, what you meant is like the "natural BB" definition of drug use.

Natural BB take natural drugs, i wonder if there are guys that would say Ephedra is okay, but Ephedrine is bad.

Agreed, DK.

DK II · « **Reply #26 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:17:05 AM »

Quote from: kiwiol on June 25, 2009, 04:09:04 AM

Agreed, DK.

What do you say about the Ephedra/Ephedrine thing?

That's what i jokingly referred to by saying test on trees, i think a lot of people think like this.

kiwiol · « **Reply #27 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:22:03 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on June 25, 2009, 04:17:05 AM

What do you say about the Ephedra/Ephedrine thing?

It's like you said before - depends on who you ask. For some, natural bodybuilding is simply "no steroids". For others, it means not even protein or Creatine and stuff like that. Guess everyone draws the line where it suits them or whatever makes sense for them, based on how they define it, if at all.

io856 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:28:17 AM »

Quote from: kiwiol on June 25, 2009, 02:27:30 AM

Caffeine is a (natural) plant extract, not a drug. A drug, biochemically speaking, is something that is synthesized (artificially, such as in a lab) and doesn't exist in nature by itself.

in that case marijuana isn't a drug

Mars · « **Reply #29 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:31:11 AM »

Quote from: Tre on June 25, 2009, 02:35:41 AM

And of course, the hormones we Americans feed our chickens and beef cattle are ok, too.

So, as I like to say, "we're perfectly ok with taking steroids in this country, so long as they're introduced early in the food chain".

Deicide · « **Reply #30 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:33:39 AM »

Quote from: kiwiol on June 25, 2009, 04:22:03 AM

It's like you said before - depends on who you ask. For some, natural bodybuilding is simply "no steroids". For others, it means not even protein or Creatine and stuff like that. Guess everyone draws the line where it suits them or whatever makes sense for them, based on how they define it, if at all.

io856 · « **Reply #31 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:36:58 AM »

haha natural bodybuilding is far cheaper than all out drugged up bbing you can cling onto that at least

sync pulse · « **Reply #32 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:37:59 AM »

Quote from: kiwiol on June 25, 2009, 02:27:30 AM

Caffeine is a (natural) plant extract, not a drug. A drug, biochemically speaking, is something that is synthesized (artificially, such as in a lab) and doesn't exist in nature by itself.

Actually this is not true,...cocaine grows in a plant,...it is classified a plant alkaloid. It is dissolved from coca plant pulp with solvents (Usually ether), then reacted with Hydrochloric acid to yield cocaine chloride.

DK II · « **Reply #33 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:38:47 AM »

Quote from: kiwiol on June 25, 2009, 04:22:03 AM

It's like you said before - depends on who you ask. For some, natural bodybuilding is simply "no steroids". For others, it means not even protein or Creatine and stuff like that. Guess everyone draws the line where it suits them or whatever makes sense for them, based on how they define it, if at all.

for me, natural BB is no crystal meth and paint thinner.

Quote from: io856 on June 25, 2009, 04:36:58 AM

haha natural bodybuilding is far cheaper than all out drugged up bbing you can cling onto that at least

that's true. and you don't need a transplant later in life, probably.

Eisenherz · « **Reply #34 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:39:14 AM »

Quote from: sync pulse on June 25, 2009, 04:37:59 AM

Actually this is not true,...cocaine grows in a plant,...it is classified a plant alkaloid. It is dissolved from coca plant pulp with solvents (Usually ether), then reacted with Hydrochloric acid to yield cocaine chloride.

what does this have to do with anything?

sync pulse · « **Reply #35 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:39:34 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on June 25, 2009, 02:29:04 AM

yes, i make this difference as well.

if testosterone grew on a tree in some plant, it would be ok.

Unless a new process has been developed, testosterone is manufactured from soy beans.

DK II · « **Reply #36 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:41:16 AM »

Quote from: sync pulse on June 25, 2009, 04:39:34 AM

Unless a new process has been developed, testosterone is manufactured from soy beans.

so you're saying that vegetarians are juicers?

Mars · « **Reply #37 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:42:06 AM »

Quote from: io856 on June 25, 2009, 04:36:58 AM

haha natural bodybuilding is far cheaper than all out drugged up bbing you can cling onto that at least

yeah but the guys who drug themselves up receive big checks to cover the expenses

sync pulse · « **Reply #38 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:42:38 AM »

Quote from: Eisenherz on June 25, 2009, 04:39:14 AM

what does this have to do with anything?

Herr Kwiol stated that things grown in plants are not drugs, but synthysized in labs.

Also opium/heroin comes from poppies....

Eisenherz · « **Reply #39 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:44:35 AM »

Quote from: sync pulse on June 25, 2009, 04:42:38 AM

Herr Kwiol stated that things grown in plants are not drugs, but synthysized in labs.

Also opium/heroin comes from poppies....

ach scheise, jetst ferschte ich.

DK II · « **Reply #40 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:48:11 AM »

Quote from: sync pulse on June 25, 2009, 04:42:38 AM

Herr Kwiol stated that things grown in plants are not drugs, but synthysized in labs.

Also opium/heroin comes from poppies....

read the whole thread, he reffered to the special case of "natural" BB.

Natural BB think natural drugs are ok, like tribulus, but testosterone is bad.

Deicide · « **Reply #41 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:50:40 AM »

Quote from: sync pulse on June 25, 2009, 04:42:38 AM

Herr Kwiol stated that things grown in plants are not drugs, but synthysized in labs.

Also opium/heroin comes from poppies....

All irrelevant. Kiwiol=Team Elite Genetics

End of Thread.

THG approved

io856 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:51:10 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on June 25, 2009, 04:50:40 AM

All irrelevant. Kiwiol=Team Elite Genetics

End of Thread.

THG approved

crappy mongoloid brain genetics though

Deicide · « **Reply #43 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:52:42 AM »

Quote from: io856 on June 25, 2009, 04:51:10 AM

crappy mongoloid brain genetics though

Nah, actually: Kiwiol= Team Elite Genetics (BBing) and Team Good Genetics (Mental)

THG approved

kiwiol · « **Reply #44 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:55:21 AM »

Quote from: io856 on June 25, 2009, 04:51:10 AM

crappy mongoloid brain genetics though

Hey, no one's perfect

Mars · « **Reply #45 on:** June 25, 2009, 05:15:07 AM »

Spike · « **Reply #46 on:** June 25, 2009, 05:15:26 AM »

what the hell is milk coffee?? I thought whales had starbucks??

Is that the new shit they sell at mcdonalds you were drinkin, MCcoffee or something??

DK II · « **Reply #47 on:** June 25, 2009, 05:18:47 AM »

Quote from: Spike on June 25, 2009, 05:15:26 AM

what the hell is milk coffee?? I thought whales had starbucks??

Is that the new shit they sell at mcdonalds you were drinkin, MCcoffee or something??

oh sorry, i translated directly from german. i mix 700ml fat free milk with 3 spoons instant coffee.

coffee with milk, but in my case it's milk with coffee, actually.

Eisenherz · « **Reply #48 on:** June 25, 2009, 05:19:23 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on June 25, 2009, 05:18:47 AM

oh sorry, i translated directly from german. i mix 700ml fat free milk with 3 spoons instant coffee.

coffee with milk, but in my case it's milk with coffee, actually.

whats it in german?

Spike · « **Reply #49 on:** June 25, 2009, 05:25:18 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on June 25, 2009, 05:18:47 AM

oh sorry, i translated directly from german. i mix 700ml fat free milk with 3 spoons instant coffee.

coffee with milk, but in my case it's milk with coffee, actually.

nice

DK would you drink milk if you came to the US?

.....all you foreign guys talk about milk all the time, in the US I believe people are almost allergic someway to the bovine growth hormone and antibiotics they pump cows full of here

I stay away from milk because of the minor skin swelling it cause from fluid retention, cause something going on subcutaneous and I lack vascularity if I consume too much dairy