Which Prohormone

[DK II]

this is fact, i would venture that alot of "prohormones" like pheraplex are better then any oral prescription drug, havoc is already a prescription drug but in terms of sides to effects it beats anadrol for instance. Same with epistane, superdrol etc... M1T is shit but that is an old school drug

Havoc = Epistane.

[windsor88]

Some reviews I have seen on HAVOC.



“Well I’m on day 10 @30mg. I’m up 4 lbs and I’m leaning out. Strength is up (finished all sets with gas in the tank) mood is good, energy is good, no acne, no cramps and best of all my gyno (which was the size of a dime and very sensitive for the last 4-6 months is 75% GONE !!!!!!!!!!!!) I can only tell there is any left if I really search for it!”

“Just gotta say that I am on the 2nd day of a 30mg dosage of Epistane and my mood and libido has been extremely improved. My libido hasn't been this strong in a long time!

“Just completed workout #2. Oh my! Workout was off the charts. I am a very light skinned Irish Lad, who now looks like he has a third degree sun burn. My upper body is so pumped up, that I am as red as a fire hydrant, and I can see almost zero separation in my triceps. (heck I can barely bend my arms). I felt very powerful and explosive today, I got 17 reps with the 90's on the incline in under 25 seconds.”



So basically it cures Gyno, enhances libido like Viagra and in only 2 workouts you'll get so huge you can't bend your arms?

That is some powerful stuff....

[DK II]

Some reviews I have seen on HAVOC.


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So basically it cures Gyno, enhances libido like Viagra and in only 2 workouts you'll get so huge you can't bend your arms?

That is some powerful stuff....

 

[Necrosis]

Havoc = Epistane.

2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan- 17b-ol

2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol

yes you are right, the different wording of the compound without looking at it made me beleive they were different compounds.

[peroni]

Save your money dude they do not work.  Placebo effect at best.  I've done M-Drol and a few others I cannot remember at the moment.  Never did PCT after them just took liver protection.
Nothing did as much as 500 mg of enanthate a week.  Even those testosterone gels did something for me way more than any prohormone.  I used the gel before I tried the shot.  I tried the prohormones 2 years after I did a cycle because I saw some posts that people were jacked and gaining 35lbs of muscle and outrageous claims,  however  the comparison is a joke.  It's your money though.  You will gain weight but you will lose it all after 2 weeks you are not on it.  Very toxic on the body as well.  I felt like shit and it was a chore to get to the gym.

I disagree. I have gained 10 + pounds and put up considerably more weight on all my lifts with them.

[peroni]

Some reviews I have seen on HAVOC.



“Well I’m on day 10 @30mg. I’m up 4 lbs and I’m leaning out. Strength is up (finished all sets with gas in the tank) mood is good, energy is good, no acne, no cramps and best of all my gyno (which was the size of a dime and very sensitive for the last 4-6 months is 75% GONE !!!!!!!!!!!!) I can only tell there is any left if I really search for it!”

“Just gotta say that I am on the 2nd day of a 30mg dosage of Epistane and my mood and libido has been extremely improved. My libido hasn't been this strong in a long time!

“Just completed workout #2. Oh my! Workout was off the charts. I am a very light skinned Irish Lad, who now looks like he has a third degree sun burn. My upper body is so pumped up, that I am as red as a fire hydrant, and I can see almost zero separation in my triceps. (heck I can barely bend my arms). I felt very powerful and explosive today, I got 17 reps with the 90's on the incline in under 25 seconds.”



So basically it cures Gyno, enhances libido like Viagra and in only 2 workouts you'll get so huge you can't bend your arms?

That is some powerful stuff....

That's epistane you mean. Epistane is a anti estrogenic

[MethodGNA]

Some reviews I have seen on HAVOC.



“Well I’m on day 10 @30mg. I’m up 4 lbs and I’m leaning out. Strength is up (finished all sets with gas in the tank) mood is good, energy is good, no acne, no cramps and best of all my gyno (which was the size of a dime and very sensitive for the last 4-6 months is 75% GONE !!!!!!!!!!!!) I can only tell there is any left if I really search for it!”

“Just gotta say that I am on the 2nd day of a 30mg dosage of Epistane and my mood and libido has been extremely improved. My libido hasn't been this strong in a long time!

“Just completed workout #2. Oh my! Workout was off the charts. I am a very light skinned Irish Lad, who now looks like he has a third degree sun burn. My upper body is so pumped up, that I am as red as a fire hydrant, and I can see almost zero separation in my triceps. (heck I can barely bend my arms). I felt very powerful and explosive today, I got 17 reps with the 90's on the incline in under 25 seconds.”



So basically it cures Gyno, enhances libido like Viagra and in only 2 workouts you'll get so huge you can't bend your arms?

That is some powerful stuff....

haha, funny post..............of course old reliable dbol, deca, tran, and test are preferable.............. .but some of these prohormones, like you were saying...are really "pro"steroids......and can be a welcome addition to any cycle, or even alone.............i find epistane for example works for me as well as oral winstrol, and better then anavar.

here is a primer of prohormone ratings, and an equivalency chart:   btw.........i jacked this from another forum, this is not my intellectual property...





This is what I've gathered through my research of most of the current ph/ds on the market.

3-AD~4-6hrs
Nomenclature: Androsterone (3a-hydroxy-5a-androstan-17-one)
Effective Dose: 4-6caps, & as high as 8caps
Effective Cycle Length: 6wks-8wks

Halodrol~16hrs
Anabolic: 74
Androgenic: 28
Nomenclature: Oral Turinabol (4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol)
Effective Dose: 50mg-100mg, & as high as 150mg
Effective Cycle Length: 6wks

Bold~7-10days
Nomenclature: Boldenone (1,4-androstadiene-3-one,17b-ol)
Effective Dose: 600mg-800mg, & as high as 1200mg
Effective Cycle Length: 8wks-12wks

Furazadrol~12hrs
Anabolic: 330
Androgenic: 73
Nomenclature: Furazabol (5a-etioallochollan[2,3-c]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether)
Effective Dose: 300mg-600mg
Effective Cycle Length: 6wks-8wks

Epistane~6hrs
Anabolic: 1100
Androgenic: 91
Nomenclature: Epithio (2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallocholan-17b-ol)
Effective Dose: 30mg-40mg, & as high as 60mg
Effective Cycle Length: 4wks-6wks

Superdrol~8hrs
Anabolic: 400
Androgenic: 20
Nomenclature: Methasteron (2a,17a-di-methyl-etiochollan-3-one, 17b-ol)
Effective Dose: 10mg-30mg, & as high as 60mg
Effective Cycle Length: 3wks

Phera Plex~9hrs
Anabolic: 1200
Androgenic: 187
Nomenclature: Desoxy-Methyl-Testosterone (17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol)
Effective Dose: 30mg-40mg
Effective Cycle Length: 4wks

Trenadrol~6-7hrs
Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxytrienbolone
Effective Dose: 60mg-120mg, & as high as 150mg
Effective Cycle Length: 4wks-6wks
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The Prohormone/Designer Steroid Effectiveness Chart


Created By:
Ross Erstling(Owner of Supreme Sports Enhancements)




High = 10; Low=1
Muscle Mass/Strength/Definition/Side-Effects


Superdrol(2a, 17a Dimethyl Etiocholan 3-One, 17b-Ol)
Rating: 9/9/8/8

Phera-Plex(17a-Methyl-Etioallocholan-2-Ene-17b-Ol)
Rating: 8/8/2/6

Halodrol(4-Chloro-17a-Methyl-Androst-1,4-Diene-3-17b-Diol)
Rating: 4/5/7/2

Epistane(2a, 3a-Epithio-17a-Methyl- 5a-Androstan-17b-Ol)
Rating: 5/6/8/2

BOLD(1, 4 Androstadiene-3, 17- Dione)
Rating: 4/4/5/1

Dymethazine(17beta-hydroxy 2alpha,17beta-dimethyl 5alpha-androstan 3-on azine)
Rating: ?/?/?/?

Trenadrol(17b-methoxy-Trienbolone)
Rating: 5/8/7/6

11-oxo(Androsterone)
Rating: 2/2/6/1

Furazadrol(5a-Etioallocholan[2,3-C]furazan-17b-Tetrahydropyranol Ether):
Rating: 3/3/5/2



Here is also a list of current Designer Steroids and their most comparable AAS counterparts:


Superdrol: Anadrol WITHOUT the water-retention! Insane DRY HARD MASS!

Phera-Plex: High dose Dianabol

Trenadrol: Tren, but less overall gains

Epistane/Havoc: Very comparable to Anavar

H-Drol: Very comparable to Turinabol
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[WOOO]

I've read through the posts regarding prohormones and know there are mixed views.

Which one would you recommend if you had to pick? Thanks

all over priced crap... either juice or don't

[Jay8899]

Save your money dude they do not work.  Placebo effect at best.  I've done M-Drol and a few others I cannot remember at the moment.  Never did PCT after them just took liver protection.
Nothing did as much as 500 mg of enanthate a week.  Even those testosterone gels did something for me way more than any prohormone.  I used the gel before I tried the shot.  I tried the prohormones 2 years after I did a cycle because I saw some posts that people were jacked and gaining 35lbs of muscle and outrageous claims,  however  the comparison is a joke.  It's your money though.  You will gain weight but you will lose it all after 2 weeks you are not on it.  Very toxic on the body as well.  I felt like shit and it was a chore to get to the gym.

this is an absolute assanine comment... they do work,most all of them..i have t
Tried HD a cpl times and 11oxo and Stano200,with good results..Not as good as real gear,obvioulsy. I know plwnty of ppl who have made great results  with strength and physique.

[Jay8899]

all over priced crap... either juice or don't

your posts mire often than not,make me laugh.there just about never informative and always negative...over priced,yeah ok man,lol

[Purge_WTF]

Boldione (1,4-andro) was one of the best supplements I've ever used. Made me grow like a weed.

[Polish Power]

not crap gained 20lbs in 6 weeks with superdrol