Would South Korea really want NK back?

[Slapper]

Really Korea was just sitting there minding it's own buisness and America split them in two? The North went communist and attacked the south, and for your information in was the UN, not just America that was involved in the war.

Well, yeeeeah! What's new? North Korea (the commies) were going to invade the south anyway. Had we let the north invade the south it would've all been a happy or unhappy country, whatever the Koreans wanted to do, we would've avoided getting into someone else's internal affairs, thousands of American lives would've been spared and the 38th parallel would've ceased to exist. Seem simple and rational.

And I suppose that America went in there and just split Berlin in half as it was minding it's own buisness. Who do you think built the Berlin wall? Here is a hint THE RUSSIANS. You see they were just taking over most of eastern europe at the time, maybe he US should have just packed up and left and let the Russians take all of europe, not such a good idea.

I believe we were invited into WWII, while no one called us into the Korean War. The later was just outright aggression as described in the UN charters.

The thing that all you seem to forget was there was this thing called the COLD WAR going on, and as far as Latin America is concerned do you really think the United States was going to let the communist get a foot hold in this hemisphere? Hell WWIII almost started over Cuba and Russian ICBM's.

I don't give a shit about what the US government (which you confuse with the United States) wanted to do. There are rules in this game of life. You attack, I defend, or viceversa. It's not OK for our government to run amok and bomb 2 million souls out of existence because some white asshole decides that another group of brown-skinned people want to become communists. How is that a friggin threat to you and me?? Please explain it to me. Life is not about what the US government decides. You do not kill innocent civilians. P-E-R-I-O-D. Even if the males all want to go gay or the population want to live under communist rule or watch reruns of Dallas for the rest of their life. It's their business. Do you know what that is called? Sovereignty. Something we've wiped our asses with for the past 60 years.    

You talk about  reading, maybe you should try reading some history.

PLEASE!

AS IF!

[Slapper]

Ur right Slapper...we invaded on 25 June 1950, it was the poor nKoreans who were the victims. Can u be anymore of any idiot.

Say something! That's all you do, you read my post, drop an idiotic response based on something you're misinterpreted as well as the usual insult and then... that's it.

You're something, you!!

[Deicide]

Well, yeeeeah! What's new? North Korea (the commies) were going to invade the south anyway. Had we let the north invade the south it would've all been a happy or unhappy country, whatever the Koreans wanted to do, we would've avoided getting into someone else's internal affairs, thousands of American lives would've been spared and the 38th parallel would've ceased to exist. Seem simple and rational.

I believe we were invited into WWII, while no one called us into the Korean War. The later was just outright aggression as described in the UN charters.

I don't give a shit about what the US government (which you confuse with the United States) wanted to do. There are rules in this game of life. You attack, I defend, or viceversa. It's not OK for our government to run amok and bomb 2 million souls out of existence because you white asshole decides that another group of brown-skinned people want to become communists. How is that a friggin threat to you and me?? Please explain it to me. Life is not about what the US government decides. You do not kill innocent civilians. P-E-R-I-O-D. Even if the males all want to go gay or the population want to live under communist rule or watch reruns of Dallas for the rest of their life. It's their business. Do you know what that is called? Sovereignty. Something we've wiped our asses with for the past 60 years.    

PLEASE!

AS IF!

Good stuff...

[Slapper]

Very relevant considering the spread of communism at the time and how it was perceived.

Never mind the simple fact that in getting rid of the "threat" of communism would require us to basically not observe other countries' sovereignty, which we didn't by the way (one can only imagine what would happen to such trigger-happy attitudes if the tables were turned), how did the US government stopping the spread of communism help you personally? Did it get you a car? A blowjob? A Russian bride?

To who's benefit was it that communism be "stopped"?  

[Deicide]

Never mind the simple fact that in getting rid of the "threat" of communism would require us to basically not observe other countries' sovereignty, which we didn't by the way (one can only imagine what would happen to such trigger-happy attitudes if the tables were turned), how did the US government stopping the spread of communism help you personally? Did it get you a car? A blowjob? A Russian bride?

To who's benefit was it that communism be "stopped"?  

Convengo con te absolutemente.

[OzmO]

Don't open up this can of worms Ozmo...

[Deicide]

Read what Slapper said...

[OzmO]

Never mind the simple fact that in getting rid of the "threat" of communism would require us to basically not observe other countries' sovereignty, which we didn't by the way (one can only imagine what would happen to such trigger-happy attitudes if the tables were turned), how did the US government stopping the spread of communism help you personally? Did it get you a car? A blowjob? A Russian bride?

To who's benefit was it that communism be "stopped"?  

How didn't we observe the NK's sovereignty when they invaded SK?

And how did stopping communism help me personally and to who's benefit is it?  The more communism there is in the world the less productive, free and progressive the world is.  For me personally a stronger USA, because of the fall of communism, has allowed me a better standard of life and a safer one.   If communism doesn't fall, we are still in a cold war  with nukes aimed at each other 24/7.  

Yes, America is no saint.  We did some shady shit in the cold war.  But did we launch a preemptive invasion into NK like we did in Iraq?  No.

[OzmO]

Read what Slapper said...

Slapper didn't say anything.  He deferred from topic.

[andreisdaman]

No. Most South Koreans DO NOT want North Korea to be part of the same country.

yes they do

[andreisdaman]

Really Korea was just sitting there minding it's own buisness and America split them in two? The North went communist and attacked the south, and for your information in was the UN, not just America that was involved in the war.

And I suppose that America went in there and just split Berlin in half as it was minding it's own buisness. Who do you think built the Berlin wall? Here is a hint THE RUSSIANS. You see they were just taking over most of eastern europe at the time, maybe he US should have just packed up and left and let the Russians take all of europe, not such a good idea.

The thing that all you seem to forget was there was this thing called the COLD WAR going on, and as far as Latin America is concerned do you really think the United States was going to let the communist get a foot hold in this hemisphere? Hell WWIII almost started over Cuba and Russian ICBM's.

You talk about  reading, maybe you should try reading some history.

thanks for setting these guys straight before I had to

[headhuntersix]

Say something! That's all you do, you read my post, drop an idiotic response based on something you're misinterpreted as well as the usual insult and then... that's it.

You're something, you!!

Say something. Ur a retard with zero grasp of history, foreign relations, US foreign policy or how anything beyond ur liberal hate America drivel. I have yet to see u debate any topic on here with facts or an original thought. Ur worthless.

[andreisdaman]

There was no need to have ever gotten involved. Totally irrelevant to the US.

uh...no..not true....by the U.S. getting involved it stopped the advance of communism which had a lot of momentum back then.....had the U.S. not gotten involved, all of the pacific Basin would be communist today and hostile toward us...like singapore, south Korea, thailand, Indonesia, etc.....instead, those countries are democracies and friendly toward us to today...

[Parker]

Really Korea was just sitting there minding it's own buisness and America split them in two? The North went communist and attacked the south, and for your information in was the UN, not just America that was involved in the war.

And I suppose that America went in there and just split Berlin in half as it was minding it's own buisness. Who do you think built the Berlin wall? Here is a hint THE RUSSIANS. You see they were just taking over most of eastern europe at the time, maybe he US should have just packed up and left and let the Russians take all of europe, not such a good idea.

The thing that all you seem to forget was there was this thing called the COLD WAR going on, and as far as Latin America is concerned do you really think the United States was going to let the communist get a foot hold in this hemisphere? Hell WWIII almost started over Cuba and Russian ICBM's.

You talk about  reading, maybe you should try reading some history.

Korea, Vietnam, and possibly Iraq--notice a trend here. When the US gets involved things tend to split up...

[andreisdaman]

And this is your expert opinion? You see the North got their fucking ass's kicked and were on the verge of being wiped out  when the Chinese decided to get involved. But instead of blowing those commie bastards back to the great wall, the UN settled for an armistace.

all true

[andreisdaman]

Dude, that does not matter one bit because it doesn't happen to them.

That is why 9/11 was such a "surprise", because someone exported something we happily exported for many years: Violence.

You can hide it under any pretense, be it that we're exporting democracy, making sure they do not fire missiles at us, et cetera; but these assholes can't see human suffering as such because it hasn't happened to them.

And yes, it does help if the ones we're putting the heat on are dark-skinned. Our fascists like that.

you're out of your mind

[andreisdaman]

I don't want to spend hours on getbig talking about Cold War revisionism but 'Containment' is nothing more than a concoction feeding something else...

This is the best thing you've said so far because you are a wacko and don't know what you are talking about

[headhuntersix]

thanks for setting these guys straight before I had to

 Hey Slapper when u were u last in S Korea. They know full well what unification means...full well and as good asians, they're preparing for it. They have the benefit of watching what happened in East Germany. But facts and opinion based on experience are well beyond ur limited comprehension.

These guys all hate this country, they have some bizarre notion that life would be better without the US. Do u idiots know how mnat was we've avoided by just being in that region or anywhere. Would Japan be an economic powerhouse? This thread has become retarded.


Ok Slapper....u've seen humans suffering...u have no fucking idea what human suffering is...none. But i tell u what toughguy.....come on over to Iraq. Enlist, join the peace corp.....we'll also try and get u a history lesson as well.

Deicide hates koreans....

[andreisdaman]

Well, yeeeeah! What's new? North Korea (the commies) were going to invade the south anyway. Had we let the north invade the south it would've all been a happy or unhappy country, whatever the Koreans wanted to do, we would've avoided getting into someone else's internal affairs, thousands of American lives would've been spared and the 38th parallel would've ceased to exist. Seem simple and rational.

I believe we were invited into WWII, while no one called us into the Korean War. The later was just outright aggression as described in the UN charters.
I don't give a shit about what the US government (which you confuse with the United States) wanted to do. There are rules in this game of life. You attack, I defend, or viceversa. It's not OK for our government to run amok and bomb 2 million souls out of existence because some white asshole decides that another group of brown-skinned people want to become communists. How is that a friggin threat to you and me?? Please explain it to me. Life is not about what the US government decides. You do not kill innocent civilians. P-E-R-I-O-D. Even if the males all want to go gay or the population want to live under communist rule or watch reruns of Dallas for the rest of their life. It's their business. Do you know what that is called? Sovereignty. Something we've wiped our asses with for the past 60 years.    

PLEASE!

AS IF!

uhhh..no....we were not invited....war was declared on us by the Japanese and by Hitler....get it straight

[headhuntersix]

Liberal bullshit at its finest. 

[andreisdaman]

Korea, Vietnam, and possibly Iraq--notice a trend here. When the US gets involved things tend to split up...

not true......these countries were already split...hence thats why they engaged in civil wars.....and anyway, the britsh, french, and japanese did more to split countries than anyone

[headhuntersix]

We've been cleaning up post colonial messes for the last 60 years.

[Slapper]

How didn't we observe the NK's sovereignty when they invaded SK?

We didn't... yet. I was talking about the spread of communism as the blank check that was given to American foreign policy "hawks" to run amok, even using the government against its own citizens (see McCarthyism) and other countries (see VietNam, Nicaragua, Laos, Cambodia, et cetera). Worry not though because our obedient military is doing, right as we speak, the work of Satan himself, trying to provoke NK into an armed conflict. Right now there are Japanese spy planes flying over NK taking pics UNINVITED, meaning in clear violation of NK's territorial sovereignty, all being done for the benefit of the you-know-who. 

Having said this, I do not think there was ever an invitation from the South Korean people for us to go in there and help them. The entire conflict was cooked up by the UN,  approving yet another illegitimate war, one that wouldn't have been approved had the soviets been present to veto the vote to go to war (probably because they were involved in the war too-more assholes). I mean Korea was split up not by popular support, but by forceful action from a second actor. When the war ended, the sane thing to do would've been to carry out elections in South and North Korea. The UN, inexplicably, decided to only carry out a plebiscite to select a South Korean president, so the question of national identity was KNOWINGLY and PURPOSELY avoided so as to create tension (much like Iraq nowadays and it being an "artificial" country: The Kurds are the Kurds and have always been the Kurds; the Shiites want their own territory and so do the Sunnis, meaning the country we now know as Iraq is only held together only by the American presence). This question is still on the fucking table. The majority of North and South Koreans want a united country. Somehow the UN can't come up with the chops to make that happen. Why? No idea.  Is this type of stuff that creates the Kim-Jong Ils of this world? You betcha!

And how did stopping communism help me personally and to who's benefit is it?  The more communism there is in the world the less productive, free and progressive the world is.

My question is: How did the war on Communism help YOU personally? Whether the world is "less productive, free and progressive the world is", which is not true by the way, is irrelevant. I am talking about your personal benefit.

For me personally a stronger USA, because of the fall of communism, has allowed me a better standard of life and a safer one.   If communism doesn't fall, we are still in a cold war  with nukes aimed at each other 24/7.

 

How has the fall of communism allowed you a better standard of life? Give me specifics. Off the top of my head... one of the greatest economic periods in American history is that from the end of WWII and 1970, when 1 person used to make enough money to buy a house, start a family, put that family through college and enjoy nice vacations overseas thanks to our overvalued currency. Fast forward to today. How can you make such an absurd statement? Furthermore, you keep referring to be living a in safer USA now that communism is gone... yet not too long ago, and for the first time in American history, since God knows when, the US territory was actually attacked. Note:The communist "threat" gone at this point. Moreover, 95% of Muslim radicals want to attack it again and again. So does North Korea and Iran and some other countries. 

Yes, America is no saint.  We did some shady shit in the cold war.  But did we launch a preemptive invasion into NK like we did in Iraq?  No.

The Korean War wasn't even approved by Congress dude. There wasn't even a Declaration of War. The whole fucking conflict was carried out like a mob hit. Unfortunately wars kill innocent civilians. Mobsters don't.

[OzmO]

Worry not though because our obedient military is doing, right as we speak, the work of Satan himself, trying to provoke NK into an armed conflict. Right now there are Japanese spy planes flying over NK taking pics UNINVITED, meaning in clear violation of NK's territorial sovereignty, all being done for the benefit of the you-know-who. 

Why shouldn't there be Japanese spy planes looking at NK?  They've made a number of reckless threats lately.  They are a repressive communist dictatorship who are acquiring nuclear weapons who just happen  to a stones throw form Japan and you are questioning Japan's actions?     You are actually citing "sovereignty" when the country in question is launching long range missiles getting nukes and has the human rights track record it has?  THANK GOD people like you don't run things otherwise we'd have been invaded and speaking russian long ago.

We didn't... yet. I was talking about the spread of communism as the blank check that was given to American foreign policy "hawks" to run amok, even using the government against its own citizens (see McCarthyism) and other countries (see VietNam, Nicaragua, Laos, Cambodia, et cetera).

Exactly.  It went too far and corrected itself regarding McCarthism.  I told you we weren't saints.  It's unfortunate we did what we did to prevent the spread of communism.

Having said this, I do not think there was ever an invitation from the South Korean people for us to go in there and help them.

Really now?  So the democratically elected government and its people just wanted to be taken over by the communists?  It was Ok for them to invade a sovereign country?  You seem to use "sovereignty card" very conveniently. 

The entire conflict was cooked up by the UN,  approving yet another illegitimate war, one that wouldn't have been approved had the soviets been present to veto the vote to go to war (probably because they were involved in the war too-more assholes).

It was huh?  The UN invaded a soveriegn country (SK)?

I mean Korea was split up not by popular support, but by forceful action from a second actor. When the war ended, the sane thing to do would've been to carry out elections in South and North Korea. The UN, inexplicably, decided to only carry out a plebiscite to select a South Korean president, so the question of national identity was KNOWINGLY and PURPOSELY avoided so as to create tension (much like Iraq nowadays and it being an "artificial" country: The Kurds are the Kurds and have always been the Kurds; the Shiites want their own territory and so do the Sunnis, meaning the country we now know as Iraq is only held together only by the American presence). This question is still on the fucking table. The majority of North and South Koreans want a united country.

Yeah, they'd love to be one country.  That much is true.  However, they'd like to be one free democratic country.  NOT one repressed staving country ruled by a twisted dictator. 

Somehow the UN can't come up with the chops to make that happen. Why? No idea.  Is this type of stuff that creates the Kim-Jong Ils of this world? You betcha!

Actually it probably wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for McArthur's arrogance. 

My question is: How did the war on Communism help YOU personally? Whether the world is "less productive, free and progressive the world is", which is not true by the way, is irrelevant. I am talking about your personal benefit.

If the world is less progressive, less free, less productive, OUR standard of living here in the USA will diminish.  Capitalism, with regulation, IS progressive.  If communism did flourish it would have affected this country thus affecting me and you.
  

How has the fall of communism allowed you a better standard of life? Give me specifics. Off the top of my head... one of the greatest economic periods in American history is that from the end of WWII and 1970, when 1 person used to make enough money to buy a house, start a family, put that family through college and enjoy nice vacations overseas thanks to our overvalued currency. Fast forward to today. How can you make such an absurd statement? Furthermore, you keep referring to be living a in safer USA now that communism is gone... yet not too long ago, and for the first time in American history, since God knows when, the US territory was actually attacked. Note:The communist "threat" gone at this point. Moreover, 95% of Muslim radicals want to attack it again and again. So does North Korea and Iran and some other countries. 

How old are you Slapper?  I'm not asking this to be condescending or insulting.  I grew up and was an adult during the cold war.  It's not a good feeling knowing that at any minute i might be vaporized and 100's of millions of people might die.  (I live by a air force base) I agree with the first part of your paragraph.  But that's not because communism existed back then and now that it doesn't things aren't as good.

The Korean War wasn't even approved by Congress dude. There wasn't even a Declaration of War. The whole fucking conflict was carried out like a mob hit. Unfortunately wars kill innocent civilians. Mobsters don't.

  Iraq was more like a mob hit because we invaded it.  Who invaded and started the Korean war?  You have a very poor argument here.

[headhuntersix]

All his arguments are all poor....history has turned out pretty damm well. More whining lib bullshit. First CT concerning the Korean war...douchbags must be bored.