Author Topic: NOAM CHOMSKY doesn`t think much of RON PAUL or his Supporters. :) (Read 9546 times)

Deicide · « **Reply #25 on:** June 29, 2009, 04:43:50 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on June 29, 2009, 04:39:30 AM

Again, its easy to sit an opine about things when you are not accountable for the results of said thoughts and opinions.

I have far more respect for a Michael Bloomberg than a Noam Chimsky.

Those who can do, do. Those who cant . . Teach and work in colleges.

You have an awful attitude towards intellectuals. Without scientists and thinkers we wouldn't even have the internet to post on. Mobile phones, all of it. Making money is not the be all and end all of all existence. No offence, but you seem to make for a very shallow impression.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #26 on:** June 29, 2009, 04:49:53 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on June 29, 2009, 04:43:50 AM

You have an awful attitude towards intellectuals. Without scientists and thinkers we wouldn't even have the internet to post on. Mobile phones, all of it. Making money is not the be all and end all of all existence. No offence, but you seem to make for a very shallow impression.

I admire Bloomberg because he started from nothing and built an amazing business and now has been a great mayor.

And please, dont compare Chiomsky to a scientist. You insult real scientists when you do that.

Deicide · « **Reply #27 on:** June 29, 2009, 04:55:56 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on June 29, 2009, 04:49:53 AM

I admire Bloomberg because he started from nothing and built an amazing business and now has been a great mayor.

And please, dont compare Chiomsky to a scientist. You insult real scientists when you do that.

He is. He created the science of linguistics. It is an amazing accomplishment.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #28 on:** June 29, 2009, 04:58:38 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on June 29, 2009, 04:55:56 AM

He is. He created the science of linguistics. It is an amazing accomplishment.

I MEAN A REAL SCIENCE LIKE PHYSICS, CHEMISTRY, ETC.

Deicide · « **Reply #29 on:** June 29, 2009, 04:59:56 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on June 29, 2009, 04:58:38 AM

I MEAN A REAL SCIENCE LIKE PHYSICS, CHEMISTRY, ETC.

Linguistics is a real science. Do you know anything about it so as to claim it isn't? It is extremely precise and mathematical in nature.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #30 on:** June 29, 2009, 05:02:52 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on June 29, 2009, 04:59:56 AM

Linguistics is a real science. Do you know anything about it so as to claim it isn't? It is extremely precise and mathematical in nature.

Ill look into it, but you cant be RP supporter and NC supporter at the same time.

NC is radical marxist and in favor of govt controll over your life whereas RP is the opposite fo that.

Deicide · « **Reply #31 on:** June 29, 2009, 05:06:04 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on June 29, 2009, 05:02:52 AM

Ill look into it, but you cant be RP supporter and NC supporter at the same time.

NC is radical marxist and in favor of govt controll over your life whereas RP is the opposite fo that.

You never asked. The only political thing I support about Noam is his foreign policy which is very similar to RP's. I know that is the one are you don't agree with RP about but there he and Noam are quite similar and it is a key issue for me. Domestically, no I don't like his ideas but as a grad student in linguistics, it would be difficult for me to discount his intellectual influence in that field and many others. Things are rarely black and white...

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #32 on:** June 29, 2009, 05:11:48 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on June 29, 2009, 05:06:04 AM

You never asked. The only political thing I support about Noam is his foreign policy which is very similar to RP's. I know that is the one are you don't agree with RP about but there he and Noam are quite similar and it is a key issue for me. Domestically, no I don't like his ideas but as a grad student in linguistics, it would be difficult for me to discount his intellectual influence in that field and many others. Things are rarely black and white...

That's fine, but on politics RP and NC are polar opposites.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #33 on:** June 29, 2009, 05:17:37 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on June 29, 2009, 05:02:52 AM

Ill look into it, but you cant be RP supporter and NC supporter at the same time.

NC is radical marxist and in favor of govt controll over your life whereas RP is the opposite fo that.

that's nonsence. I supported Ron Paul when he was running because I thought he was the best person to balance against the series of steps seen for years by government in a direction that didn't look very promising. I don't totally agree with Ron Paul on everything for sure but he would have been a very good counterweight to some major directions I didn't like. Yet I like a lot of what Chomsky says. People can have their reasons for liking people even if they have ideologies that run counter.

Now TA is just a lunatic about it. He comes in with the harshest words for RP and then turns around and starts posting things he likes from the guy. Most normal people wouldn't do that. They would say something like, I disagree with him on this and that but like this. Not completely berate the guy then favor him on something the next day.

Deicide · « **Reply #34 on:** June 29, 2009, 05:19:32 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on June 29, 2009, 05:11:48 AM

That's fine, but on politics RP and NC are polar opposites.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #35 on:** June 29, 2009, 05:23:28 AM »

Quote from: Deicide on June 29, 2009, 05:06:04 AM

You never asked. The only political thing I support about Noam is his foreign policy which is very similar to RP's. I know that is the one are you don't agree with RP about but there he and Noam are quite similar and it is a key issue for me. Domestically, no I don't like his ideas but as a grad student in linguistics, it would be difficult for me to discount his intellectual influence in that field and many others. Things are rarely black and white...

That is definitely the biggest thing that Noam is right on the money with and you're right, you're going to find some alignment with things said there and what Ron Paul says. And that's a huge political issue right there. One of the most important imo because it ties into so much shit politically.

Deicide · « **Reply #36 on:** June 29, 2009, 05:28:42 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on June 29, 2009, 05:23:28 AM

That is definitely the biggest thing that Noam is right on the money with and you're right, you're going to find some alignment with things said there and what Ron Paul says. And that's a huge political issue right there. One of the most important imo because it ties into so much shit politically.

Exactly. Ironically enough the one thing 333 doesn't support about RP is his foreign policy which I think is too tightly linked to his other stuff so as to ignore it.

the_steevo_uk · « **Reply #37 on:** June 29, 2009, 07:08:11 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on June 29, 2009, 05:02:52 AM

Ill look into it, but you cant be RP supporter and NC supporter at the same time.

NC is radical marxist and in favor of govt controll over your life whereas RP is the opposite fo that.

Chomsky is most certainly not in favour of governmental control...To chomsky all power over other human beings is inherently illegitimate, thus unless if can justify itself, it must be dismantled. I guess you could call him an anarcho-socialist (wierd term i know) in that he believes in collective ownership with no government getting in the way.

He is a fantastic scientist by the way, his work is truly based on the scientific method, he comes across as a bit old fashioned nowadays but I still love hearing his opinions on the philosophy of science.

One last thing social science is still science as long as it is scientific in its approaches, it just faces a lot more problems than natural science in its application. The study of humans by humans is theoretically and philosophically far more complex.

Benny B · « **Reply #38 on:** June 29, 2009, 07:30:17 AM »

Smart man, that Chomsky.

Good job, TA.

Deicide · « **Reply #39 on:** June 29, 2009, 07:33:52 AM »

Quote from: the_steevo_uk on June 29, 2009, 07:08:11 AM

Chomsky is most certainly not in favour of governmental control...To chomsky all power over other human beings is inherently illegitimate, thus unless if can justify itself, it must be dismantled. I guess you could call him an anarcho-socialist (wierd term i know) in that he believes in collective ownership with no government getting in the way.

He is a fantastic scientist by the way, his work is truly based on the scientific method, he comes across as a bit old fashioned nowadays but I still love hearing his opinions on the philosophy of science.

One last thing social science is still science as long as it is scientific in its approaches, it just faces a lot more problems than natural science in its application. The study of humans by humans is theoretically and philosophically far more complex.

Syntax and Semantics are not social sciences and are much more akin to hard sciences.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #40 on:** June 29, 2009, 07:37:43 AM »

Quote from: Benny Blanco on June 29, 2009, 07:30:17 AM

Smart man, that Chomsky. Good job, TA.

good job of what? Telling us what we could have figured without hearing Noam or RP discuss? Yea, good job TA, epic no shit you brought us...

Benny B · « **Reply #41 on:** June 29, 2009, 07:53:40 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on June 29, 2009, 07:37:43 AM

good job of what? Telling us what we could have figured without hearing Noam or RP discuss? Yea, good job TA, epic no shit you brought us...

Stop whining.

I don't care about your issues with TA. There are 500 "no shit" threads on this board. However, not everyone knows what ~~you think~~ you know. The idea is to foment discussion.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #42 on:** June 29, 2009, 07:56:29 AM »

Quote from: Benny Blanco on June 29, 2009, 07:53:40 AM

Stop whining. I don't care about your issues with TA. There are 500 "no shit" threads on this board. However, not everyone knows what ~~you think~~ you know. The idea is to foment discussion.

I expected another one of your angry or threating outbursts. You must be in a good mood today.

Benny B · « **Reply #43 on:** June 29, 2009, 08:01:52 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on June 29, 2009, 07:56:29 AM

I expected another one of your angry or threating outbursts. You must be in a good mood today.

LOL
I don't recall threatening anyone. Maybe my low tolerance for crybabies is what you are referring to.

Bindare_Dundat · « **Reply #44 on:** June 29, 2009, 08:03:13 AM »

I don't know why anyone is spending this much time on TA and this issue? There are video's of Chomsky being equally critical of Obama, if anyone wants to bother to look. You'd think TA and would be proud to post Chomsky's assessment of Obama considering he thinks his opinion means so much and the fact that Obama is President.That he ignores those facts while jerking off to Obama should be enough to end this stupid thread.

Benny B · « **Reply #45 on:** June 29, 2009, 08:09:55 AM »

Quote from: Bindare_Dundat on June 29, 2009, 08:03:13 AM

I don't know why anyone is spending this much time on TA and this issue? There are video's of Chomsky being equally critical of Obama, if anyone wants to bother to look. You'd think TA and would be proud to post Chomsky's assessment of Obama considering he thinks his opinion means so much and the fact that Obama is President.That he ignores those facts while jerking off to Obama should be enough to end this stupid thread.

Another butthurt Paul Ron fella.

Deicide · « **Reply #46 on:** June 29, 2009, 08:12:58 AM »

So much hate... $:-\$

Bindare_Dundat · « **Reply #47 on:** June 29, 2009, 08:17:35 AM »

Quote from: Benny Blanco on June 29, 2009, 08:09:55 AM

Another butthurt Paul Ron fella.

Did I say anything that wasn't true, you old fart?

Benny B · « **Reply #48 on:** June 29, 2009, 08:23:08 AM »

Quote from: Bindare_Dundat on June 29, 2009, 08:17:35 AM

Did I say anything that wasn't true, you old fart?

If I'm an old fart, you must be 15.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #49 on:** June 29, 2009, 08:25:17 AM »

Quote from: Bindare_Dundat on June 29, 2009, 08:03:13 AM

I don't know why anyone is spending this much time on TA and this issue? There are video's of Chomsky being equally critical of Obama, if anyone wants to bother to look. You'd think TA and would be proud to post Chomsky's assessment of Obama considering he thinks his opinion means so much and the fact that Obama is President.That he ignores those facts while jerking off to Obama should be enough to end this stupid thread.

good point!