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Cap & Trade - The Joke is on all of Us taxpayers.
« on: June 29, 2009, 04:51:57 AM »
Waxman-Markey is Hilarious, but the Joke is on Us
Townhall.com ^ | June 29, 2009 | Myron Ebel


Posted on Monday, June 29, 2009 7:39:53 AM by Kaslin

Of all the proposals in President Barack Obama's breathtakingly ambitious agenda to foster long-term economic decline, by far the biggest is the Waxman-Markey energy-rationing bill, which the House of Representatives passed with the narrowest of majorities late Friday evening. This bill by House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Beverly Hills) and Representative Edward Markey (D-Mass.) is more damaging than the $787 billion stimulus, the proposed huge increases in federal spending and corresponding increases in the national debt, the takeover of GM and Chrysler, and the proposed tax hikes on the wealthy - combined.
Enacting Waxman-Markey (H. R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act) would almost certainly make America a second-rate economic power. However, the bill is full of ironies and amusing touches. Were it not a looming disaster, the whole situation would be hilarious.

The bill is supposed to be about saving us from global warming. Yet its supporters have stopped talking about global warming. This might be because global temperatures stopped rising a decade ago. More likely it's because the pollsters have told Democrats to shut up about global warming and green jobs. The new slogan: get America running on “clean energy.”

The bill’s advocates view it as merely a first step, as former Vice President Al Gore told “super-activists” (all 11,500 of “us”) on a conference call Tuesday night. It’s the biggest tax increase in the history of the world, the largest government intrusion in people's lives since the Second World War (which was the last time gasoline was rationed) and, at 1,201 pages, a whopper of a bill. Requiring that greenhouse gas emissions be reduced by 83 percent below 2005 levels by 2050 is just the beginning.

The reason given for why it has taken years to pass major climate legislation is the bajillion dollars spent by fat cat corporate special interests--Big Oil, King Coal, etc. But a major push behind Waxman-Markey is the United States Climate Partnership (USCAP), whose members include two dozen or so major corporations (including Duke Energy, Dow, GE, Shell, BP, Ford, GM, Alcoa, PG&E, Exelon, DuPont, PepsiCo, even Caterpillar) and some of the same environmental pressure groups that blame big business for stymieing energy-rationing legislation.

Adding to the irony, the corporate CEOs who support cap-and-trade are fawned over for putting the good of the planet ahead of short-term profits. This is a shameful racket that is all about short-term windfall profits. When testifying before Congress, several CEOs of USCAP member companies said that passing Waxman-Markey was imperative but that they would have to oppose it if they had to buy the ration coupons at auction rather than be given them for free. Al Gore, too, could make hundreds of millions of dollars from his investments in alternative energy companies if Waxman-Markey makes them profitable.

The bill’s proponents talk about protecting consumers while intermittently acknowledging that cap-and-trade can only reduce greenhouse gas emissions by dramatically raising the price of energy derived from coal, oil and natural gas. President Obama said during the campaign last year that "under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." Dr. Peter Orszag, now head of the White House Office and Management and Budget, testified last year when he was head of the Congressional Budget Office that "price increases would be essential to the success of a cap-and-trade program."

When Waxman announced that they had given away 85% of the ration coupons to the various powerful special interests, he added that the purpose was to protect consumers from price increases. If that were true, then consumers would have no reason to reduce their energy consumption, nor would they be forced to use more expensive alternative energy, which would mean that the entire purpose of the bill (the reduction of greenhouse gases) would be rendered moot.

The unacknowledged truth in this charade is that the real reason for giving the ration coupons away is to buy enough political support to pass the bill. Some people are going to become very wealthy from cap-and-trade, but it isn't going to be consumers.

Supporters of Waxman-Markey are now claiming it won't cost anything and have found official support for their claim. The Environmental Protection Agency and the Congressional Budget Office have estimated that it will cost each of us only pennies to reduce emissions drastically with Waxman-Markey. We can save the planet "for the cost of a postage stamp" a day--or even less.

If that were true, why did Democrats on the Energy and Commerce Committee defeat Republican amendments to suspend Waxman-Markey if gasoline reached five dollars a gallon or electric rates doubled or unemployment topped fifteen percent?

The debate on the bill is ongoing. Though it has passed the House, it must pass a few more steps before it is forcibly imposed on Americans. Of course, if it's ever enacted, the joke will be on all of us.

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2009, 06:23:28 AM »
This will die a quick death in the senate.

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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 06:46:14 AM »
Most people thought it wouldn't pass the house.  Please call your senators, we can't take chances with a 1 party controlled congress.

Hopefully there will be more coverage on this subject this week (assuming no more celebrities die).

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 08:46:39 AM »
Most people thought it wouldn't pass the house.  Please call your senators, we can't take chances with a 1 party controlled congress.

Hopefully there will be more coverage on this subject this week (assuming no more celebrities die).

I totally DISAGREE.People thought it would sail right through and the peoples calls almost defeated it.Hower,Ive called my two senators already.

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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 08:55:14 AM »
Perhaps, I guess I was speaking of non-insiders (many citizens thought it wouldn't happen)...but the point is to not let it get through the senate now.  Its amazing how liberal the president is.

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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 09:06:40 AM »
Ok, just called my senator.  Again, just took a couple minutes and asked them to log a call asking the senator to vote no on cap & trade.

Here is a link to find your senator and their office number.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 09:12:58 AM »
Ok, just called my senator.  Again, just took a couple minutes and asked them to log a call asking the senator to vote no on cap & trade.

Here is a link to find your senator and their office number.
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Schumer is definately voting for it.

Gillibrand I dont know. 

I will call and fax.

The more I read about this, the worse it gets.   

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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 09:52:57 AM »
The Eight Republican Cap and Traitors
by Connie Hair
humanevents.com

House Democrats were joined by eight Republicans to pass the largest tax increase in American history, the Waxman-Markey bill, more generally known as cap and trade.  The final vote was 219-211.  The support of the eight Republicans was critical as 44 Democrats voted against the national energy tax.

This bill has been touted by the Democrat leadership as a jobs bill, yet they neglected to note that the jobs being created will all be in China and India.

The eight Republican Cap and Traitors who put the bill over the top and allowed eight so-called conservative Democrats political cover to vote against:

Mary Bono Mack (Calif.)
Michael Castle (Del.)
Mark Kirk (Ill.)
Leonard Lance (N.J.)
Frank LoBiondo (N.J.)
John McHugh (N.Y.)
Dave Reichert (Wash.)
Chris Smith (N.J.)

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2009, 10:07:02 AM »
This will die a quick death in the senate.

most people were sure it'd die quickly in the house too. 

hcek, could anyone really believe the bailout (let's give 800 billion to banks) and stimulus (let's give 10 trillion to companies with zero accountability) would pass?

These days, anything goes.  Wouldn't shock me to see the Senate pass it.

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2009, 11:59:10 AM »
Whats the deal with the New Jersy republicans voting yes...wonder if there was a sweetheart project included in the pork ammendment for them.  Any republican who votes for this should be forced out of the party.

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2009, 11:59:44 AM »
Whats the deal with the New Jersy republicans voting yes...wonder if there was a sweetheart project included in the pork ammendment for them.  Any republican who votes for this should be forced out of the party.

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2009, 12:12:43 PM »


Screw that nonsense.  This is what we need to do to all politicians who vote for this nonsense, at the voting booth of course.:


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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2009, 12:28:13 PM »
most people were sure it'd die quickly in the house too. 

hcek, could anyone really believe the bailout (let's give 800 billion to banks) and stimulus (let's give 10 trillion to companies with zero accountability) would pass?

These days, anything goes.  Wouldn't shock me to see the Senate pass it.

Why would you be surprised or shocked.YOU voted for this crap.By the way,unemployement going over 10%,things are getting better.

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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2009, 12:30:09 PM »
Why would you be surprised or shocked.YOU voted for this crap.By the way,unemployement going over 10%,things are getting better.

Billy - check out my new article on this. 

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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2009, 07:43:31 PM »
 Spain, who our cap and tax is modeled after, is experiencing 18% unemployment and only 1 out of 10 green jobs created was actually a permanent one. Even worse, for every one green job created, two regular jobs were lost.

Here is a good one.....This Cap and Trade is modeled after Spain's version. Well, Spain has 18% U.E. and only 10% of the "green jobs" created became permanent. The real kicker is that it killed 2 regular jobs for ever one of the "green jobs" created.

Chew on that. :-\

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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2009, 04:38:35 AM »
Spain, who our cap and tax is modeled after, is experiencing 18% unemployment and only 1 out of 10 green jobs created was actually a permanent one. Even worse, for every one green job created, two regular jobs were lost.

Here is a good one.....This Cap and Trade is modeled after Spain's version. Well, Spain has 18% U.E. and only 10% of the "green jobs" created became permanent. The real kicker is that it killed 2 regular jobs for ever one of the "green jobs" created.

Chew on that. :-\

This to me is truly the worst thing yet to come of the ZERO admn. 

I read that there are provisions for national building codes and home inspectors to make sure your house is "green" before you can sell it.

I will say it again:  Obama is a marxist.   

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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2009, 07:46:46 AM »

"under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket"


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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2009, 08:03:57 AM »
Ron Paul:

Contrary to claims repeated over and over, there is no consensus in the scientific community that global warming is getting worse or that it is man made.  In fact over 30,000 scientists signed a petition recently directly disputing the claims on which this policy is based.  Legitimate environmental claims should instead be directed towards the public sector.  The government, especially the military, is the most serious polluter in the country, and is exempt from most EPA regulationsMeanwhile Washington bureaucrats have classified the very air we exhale as a pollutant and have gone unchallenged in this incredible assertion.  The logical consequence is that there will come a time when we will have to buy a government permit just to emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere from our own lungs!