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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/29/supreme.court.discrimination/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court sided Monday with white firefighters in a workplace discrimination lawsuit, a divisive case over the role race should play in job advancement.

In the split 5-4 vote, a majority of the justices ruled that the city of New Haven, Connecticut, improperly threw out the results of promotional exams that officials said left too few minorities qualified.

One Latino and no African-American firefighters qualified for promotion based on the exam; the city subsequently decided not to certify the results and issued no promotions.

A group of 20 mostly white firefighters sued, claiming reverse discrimination. Video Watch the firefighters applaud the ruling »

High court nominee Judge Sonia Sotomayor heard the case on her federal appeals court last year and sided with the city.

The Supreme Court was being asked to decide whether there was a continued need for special treatment for minorities, or whether enough progress has been made to make existing laws obsolete, especially in a political atmosphere in which an African-American occupies the White House.

At issue was whether the city intentionally discriminated -- in violation of both federal law and the Constitution's Equal Protection Clause.

"The city rejected the test results solely because the higher scoring candidates were white," wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy for the majority. "Fear of litigation alone cannot justify an employer's reliance on race to the detriment of individuals who passed the examinations and qualified for promotions."

In a dissent read from the bench, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg questioned the fairness of the test, which was 60 percent written and 40 percent oral.

"Relying so heavily on pencil-and-paper exams to select firefighters is a dubious practice," Ginsburg said, calling the majority ruling "troubling."

"Congress endeavored to promote equal opportunity in fact, and not simply in form. The damage today's decision does to that objective is untold," she said.

Key plaintiff Frank Ricci and others took promotional exams in 2003 for lieutenant and captain positions that had become available in New Haven. Video Watch why the firefighters filed the lawsuit »

When the results came back, city attorneys expressed concern about the results, and the New Haven corporation counsel -- after several public hearings -- refused to certify the test, and no promotions were given.

The city said that under a federal civil rights law known as Title VII, employers must ban actions such as promotion tests that would have a "disparate impact" on a protected class, such as a specified race or gender.

The Obama administration took a nuanced position on the appeal. A Justice Department lawyer told the high court that while the federal government supported the city's discretion to nullify the test results, it also believed the lawsuit should be allowed to proceed on a limited basis.

Kennedy argued that "the process was open [and] fair" and that the city officials "were careful to ensure broad racial participation in the design of the test itself and its administration."

He added that "race-based action like the city's in this case is impermissible under Title VII unless the employer can demonstrate a strong basis in evidence that, had it not taken the action, it would have been liable" under the law dealing with "disparate impact."

Kennedy said the city had not met that threshold.

The case has received added attention because Sotomayor was on the appellate court that dismissed the appeal.

Sotomayor was part of a three-judge panel that ruled in February 2008 to uphold a lower court decision supporting New Haven's move to throw out the results.

In June 2008, Sotomayor was part of a 7-6 majority that denied a rehearing of the case by the full court.

Legal analysts said they expect Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee will want to ask about her role in that case as well as her comments about ethnicity and the bench.

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The city claims it was in a tough position and decided to set aside the result of the exam in order to comply with existing laws...and also to stave off potential lawsuits from black and/or Latino firefighters.

Independent analysis (not sure by whom) of the exam indicated that the multiple-choice test was entirely job-related.  How can something that's based solely on the job that needs to be done be 'culturally biased'? 

I don't think you can throw out the results of the exam simply because no Blacks or Latinos scored high enough to qualify for promotions...and this is what the Court ruled. 

There was no evidence to indicate that the exam was in any was discriminatory.  The non-white test takers just need to work harder and do better next time. 

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They sing racism and discrimination at ever turn

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Okami is a WHITE man with muscles, no doubt about it.
I hate the State.

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Okami is a WHITE man with muscles, no doubt about it.

Yes, he is a good man with muscles.
No doubt about it...

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LMAO @ "reverse discrimination"

as if discrimination was only white --> black.

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They sing racism and discrimination at ever turn

But in this case, there *was* no cry of racism by the Blacks or Latinos, at least none that has been reported. 

The city behaved irresponsibly out of the FEAR that the Blacks and/or Latinos would protest the results of the promotion exam.

Municipalities should not and cannot be ruled by fear of protest. 

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But in this case, there *was* no cry of racism by the Blacks or Latinos, at least none that has been reported. 

The city behaved irresponsibly out of the FEAR that the Blacks and/or Latinos would protest the results of the promotion exam.

Municipalities should not and cannot be ruled by fear of protest. 
ie. Get sued.

In June 2008, Sotomayor was part of a 7-6 majority that denied a rehearing of the case by the full court.

Gonna make confirmation hearing real, real interesting.   

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But in this case, there *was* no cry of racism by the Blacks or Latinos, at least none that has been reported. 

The city behaved irresponsibly out of the FEAR that the Blacks and/or Latinos would protest the results of the promotion exam.

Municipalities should not and cannot be ruled by fear of protest. 
Fuck off you Racist

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I think she'll be confirmed (there doesn't appear to be enough dirt on her), but it's definitely going to factor into the hearings.

The more critical issue IMO, though, is how she will warm to her future colleagues who've ruled against her on this.   

I'm all for fair hiring practices - as we all should be - but it's patently unfair for you to be given a test to determine your eligibility for advancement only to have your results tossed out because other people didn't score high enough. 

The poster child in this particular case is a white firefighter who is dyslexic, yet studied for hours on end with flash cards in order to prep for this exam.  His hard work paid off...or so he thought.  I'm not saying I hope he gets the promotion because he's dyslexic, but I am saying that he should be advanced for scoring so high on his exam. 

The job of the city should be to ensure they have the best fire department possible for the safety of their residents. 

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I think she'll be confirmed (there doesn't appear to be enough dirt on her), but it's definitely going to factor into the hearings.

The more critical issue IMO, though, is how she will warm to her future colleagues who've ruled against her on this.   

I'm all for fair hiring practices - as we all should be - but it's patently unfair for you to be given a test to determine your eligibility for advancement only to have your results tossed out because other people didn't score high enough. 

The poster child in this particular case is a white firefighter who is dyslexic, yet studied for hours on end with flash cards in order to prep for this exam.  His hard work paid off...or so he thought.  I'm not saying I hope he gets the promotion because he's dyslexic, but I am saying that he should be advanced for scoring so high on his exam. 

The job of the city should be to ensure they have the best fire department possible for the safety of their residents. 
This has long been the complaint for FD's hiring quotas of females, as well. 

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But in this case, there *was* no cry of racism by the Blacks or Latinos, at least none that has been reported. 

The city behaved irresponsibly out of the FEAR that the Blacks and/or Latinos would protest the results of the promotion exam.

Municipalities should not and cannot be ruled by fear of protest. 
this is another example of why foreigners shouldn't post comments in threads they dont know shit about

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I was a fireman
We had no blacks or latinos and we were fine
We had one woman but she was a liability

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This has long been the complaint for FD's hiring quotas of females, as well. 

Given that mission integrity is the highest priority, I've never felt that there should be a 'female standard' for firefighting jobs or combat billets in the military. 

If I have to swim a 20-minute mile to advance to jet pilot training, then the same should be required of my female counterparts. 

If the required time in the obstacle course (not sure what it's called at firefighting school) is 8 minutes or less, then it should be 8 minutes or less for all candidates, not just the males.  If a woman isn't strong enough or fast enough, then she needs to get stronger and faster.  I would say the same to any male who failed to meet the standard, too, of course.

If both a female and I are trying to get jobs in a field hospital or are just trying to become paramedics with the fire department, I believe it's totally acceptable to hold the women to a different standard.  They need to be fit to perform the duties in those environments, but don't need to be as strong or fast as I am.

Damn, I'm on a roll tonite!

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Given that mission integrity is the highest priority, I've never felt that there should be a 'female standard' for firefighting jobs or combat billets in the military. 

If I have to swim a 20-minute mile to advance to jet pilot training, then the same should be required of my female counterparts. 

If the required time in the obstacle course (not sure what it's called at firefighting school) is 8 minutes or less, then it should be 8 minutes or less for all candidates, not just the males.  If a woman isn't strong enough or fast enough, then she needs to get stronger and faster.  I would say the same to any male who failed to meet the standard, too, of course.

If both a female and I are trying to get jobs in a field hospital or are just trying to become paramedics with the fire department, I believe it's totally acceptable to hold the women to a different standard.  They need to be fit to perform the duties in those environments, but don't need to be as strong or fast as I am.

Damn, I'm on a roll tonite!

All fire departments hire a woman just to feel politically correct
Well political correctness is the death of society
We had a 5'2 ugly little tramp who cud barely carry the cutting equipment 10feet
Not good,not good at all

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All fire departments hire a woman just to feel politically correct
Well political correctness is the death of society
We had a 5'2 ugly little tramp who cud barely carry the cutting equipment 10feet
Not good,not good at all

very, very true

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oh really ???
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oh really ???
Live in Ireland for one month and you will see

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I was a fireman
We had no blacks or latinos and we were fine
We had one woman but she was a liability

Okami is leading the revolution on his side of the pond.....

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sotomayor needs to stick to cleaning houses, not acting like a judge, that little fat mexican.
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sotomayor needs to stick to cleaning houses, not acting like a judge, that little fat mexican.

the other justices will keep her in check
that is
if she gets in

si senorita

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Women firefighters....fucking hilarious.
I hate the State.

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Women firefighters....fucking hilarious.

they really are token
can't do the physical aspect

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Okami is leading the revolution on his side of the pond.....
Indeed I must
Everyone here wants them out but they are afraid of being called racists
In my gym last week,an african dressed like Puff Daddy waltzed in and walked around the gym looking at stuff
A commitee member asked him was he a member (he knew he wasnt)
When the african said he was not a member he was given 10seconds to get the fuck out and he did

Women firefighters....fucking hilarious.
Indeed,in my department they paid for an extra new changing/shower area for her
Also seperate bathroom
Im convinced the ugly little girl had a cock anyway

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they really are token
can't do the physical aspect

Much like many women in the military.

Why have separate physical standards for such jobs?