My best condition so far - now complete with all pictures on page 5

[kiwiol]

I completely disagree with this one. My method is optimal for fat loss meaning the ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss is as good as it can be (naturally).

You might be right for natural competitors, but are you saying that a pro who competes at 250 lb onstage can get away with just one meal a day and a protein shake later, never mind the cheat day that gets factored in? Losing fat always entails losing muscle and while the overall process may be slower when dieting the traditional way (5 - 6 strict meals a day + cardio sessions), I think that process would leave the person with more muscle than if they only ate as per your schedule. Yes, you don't need 8 meals like some of them eat, but you need at least 3 or 4 solid meals a day when you are 250+ shredded at under 6 feet. What do you think?

[tbombz]

I completely disagree with this one. My method is optimal for fat loss meaning the ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss is as good as it can be (naturally). I gained strength on my current cut. My ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss on my last cut was about 9:1.

i dont think its optimal. but i think the difference is probably not that noticeable. (your diet vs any other diet with equal protien and calories)

[Fatpanda]

I completely disagree with this one. My method is optimal for fat loss meaning the ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss is as good as it can be (naturally). I gained strength on my current cut. My ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss on my last cut was about 9:1.

nonsense -

how can it be optimal when:

1. the optimal amount of protein for maintaining muscle mass during diet is yet to be determined?

2. the optimal level of calorie reduction for maximum fat loss/minimum muscle loss is yet to be determined?

3. you don't know with any certainty the levels of either protein/carbs/fats or calories you take in daily, not to mention your free for all days where you eat what you like.

your way works - yes, but optimal - no.

in all honesty i think your diet would only work for a very limited amount of people.

[wavelength]

You might be right for natural competitors, but are you saying that a pro who competes at 250 lb onstage can get away with just one meal a day and a protein shake later, never mind the cheat day that gets factored in? Losing fat always entails losing muscle and while the overall process may be slower when dieting the traditional way (5 - 6 strict meals a day + cardio sessions), I think that process would leave the person with more muscle than if they only ate as per your schedule. Yes, you don't need 8 meals like some of them eat, but you need at least 3 or 4 solid meals a day when you are 250+ shredded at under 6 feet. What do you think?

I was talking about your general statement of sacrificing muscle. Of course my intention is not losing weight but losing fat. If my method would not provide me with the optimal way to do that (meaning with as little muscle loss as possible), I would change it.

I can't say anything about people who use steroids or other hormones, but for naturals, body composition does not change with meal frequency. The speed of progress is solely dependent on the caloric deficit, nothing else. If this deficit is created by doing more cardio or eating less is irrelevant, so is meal frequency.

[tbombz]

in all honesty i think your diet would only work for a very limited amount of people.

what works for one human being is 99% of the time going to work for any other human being. it may differ slightly in the degree to which it works... but it would work in all human noentheless (with few exception)

[wavelength]

nonsense -

how can it be optimal when:

1. the optimal amount of protein for maintaining muscle mass during diet is yet to be determined?

2. the optimal level of calorie reduction for maximum fat loss/minimum muscle loss is yet to be determined?

3. you don't know with any certainty the levels of either protein/carbs/fats or calories you take in daily, not to mention your free for all days where you eat what you like.

your way works - yes, but optimal - no.

in all honesty i think your diet would only work for a very limited amount of people.

OK, you are right, no method is 100% optimal. But as I said, my ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss on my last cut (2008) was 9:1. I don't think it can get much better than that. In the absolute optimal case, I would have lost no muscle at all, which would have resulted in an insignificant difference of 1.5 lbs of LBM more.

[Fatpanda]

what works for one human being is 99% of the time going to work for any other human being. it may differ slightly in the degree to which it works... but it would work in all human noentheless (with few exception)

  are you talking about calorie restriction ?

of course that will work in 100% of the population.

i'm talking about specifically eating pork chops, ice cream, bottles of wine etc while having the will power to stop eating the plate etc, all the while estimating what calorie level you are eating.

[wavelength]

what works for one human being is 99% of the time going to work for any other human being. it may differ slightly in the degree to which it works... but it would work in all human noentheless (with few exception)

This is absolutely true, at least for all essential rules.

[kiwiol]

I can't say anything about people who use steroids or other hormones, but for naturals, body composition does not change with meal frequency. The speed of progress is solely dependent on the caloric deficit, nothing else. If this deficit is created by doing more cardio or eating less is irrelevant, so is meal frequency.

Agree with this part. I too think the whole "eat every 3 hours religiously when the timer goes off, to keep your blood sugar levels stable" system is very overrated and unnecessary. I eat when I feel like it - always have and my gains never slowed down even after going a couple of days on just 1 or 2 meals a day.

[wavelength]

i dont think its optimal. but i think the difference is probably not that noticeable. (your diet vs any other diet with equal protien and calories)

Thanks, that's what I was traing to say.

[Fatpanda]

OK, you are right, no method is 100% optimal. But as I said, my ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss on my last cut (2008) was 9:1. I don't think it can get much better than that. In the absolute optimal case, I would have lost no muscle at all, which would have resulted in an insignificant difference of 1.5 lbs of LBM more.

i didn't mean for the angry smile above wave - i clicked the wrong one.

your diet has merit - and i adhere to similar principles myself - regarding your eat everything for a day  

like you say most diets will only slightly vary in overall results by a pound or 2.

[whateva]

what works for one human being is 99% of the time going to work for any other human being.

I disagree

[wavelength]

i didn't mean for the angry smile above wave - i clicked the wrong one.

your diet has merit - and i adhere to similar principles myself - regarding your eat everything for a day  

like you say most diets will only slightly vary in overall results by a pound or 2.

Well then, when are we going to see a ripped panda?

[Fatpanda]

Well then, when are we going to see a ripped panda?

soon 

i'm down 28lbs in 35 days 

i'm not working out at all though, but i am talking 50mg of anavar a day to try to maintain muscle.

[wavelength]

soon 

i'm down 28lbs in 35 days 

i'm not working out at all though, but i am talking 50mg of anavar a day to try to maintain muscle.

why no training?

[wavelength]

After Alan Aragon, Dave Palumbo, and Chris Aceto agreeing with the possibility that the method can work, I also asked Chad Nicholls. Gonna be interesting what he has to say.

[Fatpanda]

why no training?

had to sell my home gym for cash, also was made homeless and had no job for food or gym membership

started my new job now though and have cash, just no energy to train.

my diet consists of 280 g of protein a day with no carbs or fats mon-fri. then eat what i like over the weekend 

i'm on my feet all day at work so i'm pretty tired at the end of everyday - no carbs or fats just adds to it.

but i'm hoping after another month of diet and work i'll be much lihter and have more energy to train.

also the gyms around here are shit - my only real choices are 1 thats really close but only has machines and a maximum set of 50lb db's 

or a gym that has 100lb db's and a few free weight +machines but is 20m min drive. 

both are pretty expensive too

my home gym was beter, but i was scared i'd fall through the floor 

[wavelength]

had to sell my home gym for cash, also was made homeless and had no job for food or gym membership

started my new job now though and have cash, just no energy to train.

my diet consists of 280 g of protein a day with no carbs or fats mon-fri. then eat what i like over the weekend 

i'm on my feet all day at work so i'm pretty tired at the end of everyday - no carbs or fats just adds to it.

but i'm hoping after another month of diet and work i'll be much lihter and have more energy to train.

also the gyms around here are shit - my only real choices are 1 thats really close but only has machines and a maximum set of 50lb db's 

or a gym that has 100lb db's and a few free weight +machines but is 20m min drive. 

both are pretty expensive too

my home gym was beter, but i was scared i'd fall through the floor 

Quite a story, I hope you can settle things soon and start training again.

[Fatpanda]

so do i 

[žoklis]

Don`t you feel cold in that condition?

[wavelength]

Don`t you feel cold in that condition?

Nah man, I was tanning in the sun today.
Maybe if it was winter I would.

[bodybuilder1234]

well, if you're eating one meal a day that consists of junk food how do you know how many calories you are consuming?

If I want a pepperoni pizza today or a Mcdonalds meal how will I know if it has too many calories or too little?

Its all rather confusing

[wavelength]

well, if you're eating one meal a day that consists of junk food how do you know how many calories you are consuming?

If I want a pepperoni pizza today or a Mcdonalds meal how will I know if it has too many calories or too little?

Its all rather confusing

Experience. Fast food places are actually very easy, they have nutritional tables. I e.g. know that I can eat a double whopper cheese with small fries and a salad and still be in a deficit. But I normally don't go to traditional fast food restaurants during the week. Plus there is always the feedback loop via weekly weighing.

In any case, counting calories and preparing food is also OK of course, if that's more convenient.

[wavelength]

I disagree

In which regard? Examples?

[The True Adonis]

well science backs that once you reach the correct protein amount daily - it does not matter where the rest of the nutrients come from ( in terms of reducing bodyfat - not necessarily health). However you must have a very small appetite to be at that level of conditioning so often.

Why did you doubt me when I told you this a few years ago?