Layne Norton - 615 deadlift 3 reps.

[Method101]

No but I remember that too. Eric Brosser, Kiyoshi Moody, Skip La Cour, Doug Miller, Chris Faildo, even Serge Nubret all claim to be natural. Do people honestly believe this shit?

That's just one of my beefs with Norton. He's strong as HELL - I've never said otherwise. It's the drug free natural f*gs that need to defend his honor and meltdown anytime people point out that he's a hypocritical loser. I don't care if he deadlifts 5000lbs raw, anyone who stomps around in the gym like that is a loser. He could have Adriana Lima impaled on his 12" cock and I'll still call him a shrimp dick f*g. That's just how it goes.

Brutal jelousy, is your 1rm 315? haha.

If you were deadlifting 615x3 then you could complain about the way he prepares himself, otherwise, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I think Layne IS natural, but i agree that Eric Broser, Kyoshi Moody, John Hansen and Jeff Willet are fucking scumbag liars worse than IFBB pros.

[#1 Klaus fan]

This all the way alpha male cleaned that weight in training. Can you see him stomping all over the place?

[dr.chimps]

This all the way alpha male cleaned that weight in training. Can you see him stomping all over the place?

Nope. It's all about internalization and visualization. Those like Layne must externalize and get their affirmations from others. Guess which one will take the gold, every single time?

[Krankenstein]

Brutal jelousy, is your 1rm 315? haha.

If you were deadlifting 615x3 then you could complain about the way he prepares himself, otherwise, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I think Layne IS natural, but i agree that Eric Broser, Kyoshi Moody, John Hansen and Jeff Willet are fucking scumbag liars worse than IFBB pros.

Hansen and Willet....you could fill a dump truck with the bullshit these guys have spewed out.  Funny how NONE of them would even try and enter a pro natural organization and 'clean up' so to speak at all the pro shows.  Why not?

[rocket]

Nope. It's all about internalization and visualization. Those like Layne must externalize and get their affirmations from others. Guess which one will take the gold, every single time?

Personally, I've seen/heard loads of guys externalise and rarely does it bug me.  I just happen to think that Layne is extremely talented in doing it in such a manner that seems somewhat less humble.  Everything about him/it reminds me of Linkin Park -  a bit numetal wiggeresque.

A classic example of excess noise was Ronnie prior to the 800.  That was comical, but I never thought it was lame. 

I'm surprised so many people think the guy is definitely geared up.  I have noticed lately that there are many people in my gym who dwarf me, yet are quite a bit weaker.  I think there may be a general level of ignorance in bodybuilders for what you can achieve if you train with more emphasis on strength. 

Since I'll likely have to "rebutt" such a comment, I'll just state that doesn't mean I don't respect the quality of his lifts.  I just find it interesting that people think you have be on gear to be doing that - it seems to me that you have a losing mentality and likely, you're destined to be weak forever.

[Krankenstein]

Personally, I've seen/heard loads of guys externalise and rarely does it bug me.  I just happen to think that Layne is extremely talented in doing it in such a manner that seems somewhat less humble.  Everything about him/it reminds me of Linkin Park -  a bit numetal wiggeresque.

A classic example of excess noise was Ronnie prior to the 800.  That was comical, but I never thought it was lame. 

I'm surprised so many people think the guy is definitely geared up.  I have noticed lately that there are many people in my gym who dwarf me, yet are quite a bit weaker.  I think there may be a general level of ignorance in bodybuilders for what you can achieve if you train with more emphasis on strength. 

Since I'll likely have to "rebutt" such a comment, I'll just state that doesn't mean I don't respect the quality of his lifts.  I just find it interesting that people think you have be on gear to be doing that - it seems to me that you have a losing mentality and likely, you're destined to be weak forever.

Absolutely.  Who here has even said that Ronnie's psych-up before a lift was moronic.  In fact, it started to be used in the gym.  Personally I think its retarded.  But hey, I am not the one doing the 800.  I am sure that some people would think what I do before a bigger lift is stupid.  I know I do.  Does anyone have a link to the youtube video of the guy doing the little dance before his monster deadlift (huge guy, knocks a chalk container down)?

[emn1964]

Absolutely.  Who here has even said that Ronnie's psych-up before a lift was moronic.  In fact, it started to be used in the gym.  Personally I think its retarded.  But hey, I am not the one doing the 800.  I am sure that some people would think what I do before a bigger lift is stupid.  I know I do.  Does anyone have a link to the youtube video of the guy doing the little dance before his monster deadlift (huge guy, knocks a chalk container down)?

There are a couple world record power lifters in my gym.  NONE of them make noises or stupid displays like those.  Those displays are for the psychologically weak.

[Method101]

There are a couple world record power lifters in my gym.  NONE of them make noises or stupid displays like those.  Those displays are for the psychologically weak.

shut the fuck up, does it scare when somone 3x as strong as you makes abit of noise?
Did your girlfriends pussy get wet because some guy was grunting at the gym near you?
 

[emn1964]

shut the fuck up, does it scare when somone 3x as strong as you makes abit of noise?
Did your girlfriends pussy get wet because some guy was grunting at the gym near you?
 

settle down nancy. . .

[Palpatine Q]

No doubt a very strong guy, but he really isn't that big, even for a natty

Also why does he dress like a S.W.A.T. team member all the time, looks like a dildo

[The True Adonis]

Does he not realize that a forklift would be easier?

[Palpatine Q]

Does he not realize that a forklift would be easier?

I think Layne doesn't realize a lot of things.

For example if he truly is Natty all of that super-heavy, insane training is beating the shit out of his CNS and actually hampering his progress

[rocket]

I think Layne doesn't realize a lot of things.

For example if he truly is Natty all of that super-heavy, insane training is beating the shit out of his CNS and actually hampering his progress

I doubt he is training like that week in week out.  I find that max deadlifts are a difficult wave to ride if you're trying to consistently get stronger.  More than any other lift I can think of. 

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

and  yet your the hyporcrite all in the same fckikng sentece,,oh im a baby I believe layne is natural cause he said so and he lets me suck his cock vs serge or kyoshi among others who dont so they are not natural,,wow just wow 

Brutal jelousy, is your 1rm 315? haha.

If you were deadlifting 615x3 then you could complain about the way he prepares himself, otherwise, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I think Layne IS natural, but i agree that Eric Broser, Kyoshi Moody, John Hansen and Jeff Willet are fucking scumbag liars worse than IFBB pros.

[Palpatine Q]

I doubt he is training like that week in week out.  I find that max deadlifts are a difficult wave to ride if you're trying to consistently get stronger.  More than any other lift I can think of. 

I say this from the tons of vids he posts and articles, he's a notorious "balls out" trainer. One of those super intense guys that kills himself in the gym.

which is admirable but IMO counterproductive for a truly natty trainer

[Van_Bilderass]

I think Layne doesn't realize a lot of things.

For example if he truly is Natty all of that super-heavy, insane training is beating the shit out of his CNS and actually hampering his progress

I actually think pure powerlifting training is the only type of training that can add some thickness to a natural who's been training for a while. If he gets stronger he can add a little muscle still. Doing pump training, not so much.

Since he's getting stronger that's proof he isn't overtraining or 'beating the shit out of his CNS'. If he complained of stagnation then you could look at the program.

[The True Adonis]

I actually think pure powerlifting training is the only type of training that can add some thickness to a natural who's been training for a while. If he gets stronger he can add a little muscle still. Doing pump training, not so much.

Since he's getting stronger that's proof he isn't overtraining or 'beating the shit out of his CNS'. If he complained of stagnation then you could look at the program.

Lots of powerlifters do look like Doo Doo when they do diet down.

[#1 Klaus fan]

Lots of powerlifters do look like Doo Doo when they do diet down.

Examples.   

[Van_Bilderass]

Lots of powerlifters do look like Doo Doo when they do diet down.

Depends on your aesthetic preference. Don't do any powerlifting if you prefer a thin neck and a more feminine form. Avoid the powerlifts if you like a Vince Gironda type build, sleek thighs, flat ass and no neck - the ballerina build. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Palpatine Q]

I actually think pure powerlifting training is the only type of training that can add some thickness to a natural who's been training for a while. If he gets stronger he can add a little muscle still. Doing pump training, not so much.

Since he's getting stronger that's proof he isn't overtraining or 'beating the shit out of his CNS'. If he complained of stagnation then you could look at the program.

Well as far as stagnation...i don't know the man personally but in every vid I've ever seen of him over the years he looks to be exactly the same size after his initial growth phase.

And tearing a pec is "beating the shit" out of your body.

I was given advice by a friend of mine who was a Nat level competitor over 15 years ago who was a very smart guy, he said " Greg i watch you train and you fucking kill yourself on every rep of every set like your life depended on it..... you are beating the shit out of yourself, that's no good for a natty. You need to turn it down a notch."

 And he was right, I stopped going to triple-negative-death failure on every set and I started growing again, and felt a whole lot better in general

[big man]

In my experience as a natty heavy most of the time is the way to go. There's just no other way to achieve the good thickness without 'help.''
I think the CNS theory is bogus. The nerves are gonna fire regardless, like putting your shoes on in the morning. It doesn't burn out from lifting heavy. Rest, nutrition, repeat. Age and your mindset in the gym are probably the bigger factors.
I have never went backwards on my max lifts, ever. If my bodyweight is right then I can hit my max for that given bodyweight.    

[dustin]

Brutal jelousy, is your 1rm 315? haha.

If you were deadlifting 615x3 then you could complain about the way he prepares himself, otherwise, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I think Layne IS natural, but i agree that Eric Broser, Kyoshi Moody, John Hansen and Jeff Willet are fucking scumbag liars worse than IFBB pros.

315lbs for three controlled reps at 170lbs is pretty good for someone who's NOT lying, my natural friend. Speaking of natural. I was natural at the time. I put on 65lbs naturally before hitting this lift. Sometimes my shoulder is okay on flat bench but I'm just not comfortable with it. No bodybuilder, especially one my size needs to be doing heavy flat bench like that. I honestly don't think I should do more than 185lbs for my work sets, with a couple sets with 225lbs just to maintain strength. I train with intensity and intelligence, not ego.

If I started doing brutal strength training again like DC training then I know I can easily hit that again. But it's not worth it. Heavy lifting gets to a point where risk outweighs benefit by far. I think heavy lifting is paramount for gaining thickness, natural or enhanced. However the less "enhanced" you are, the less extremely heavy lifting. Just a few super heavy sets here and there, then a little lighter weight. Every big guy I know lifts like this and while I'm only a bit over 180lbs right now and dieting, I'm still lifting heavy, my physique is very full and I'm making progress.

There are a couple world record power lifters in my gym.  NONE of them make noises or stupid displays like those.  Those displays are for the psychologically weak.

Exactly. No need to stomp around and draw attention. Layne looks like he banged back a gram of metribolone (cheque drops) before every lift.

I think Layne doesn't realize a lot of things.

For example if he truly is Natty all of that super-heavy, insane training is beating the shit out of his CNS and actually hampering his progress

Yes. All the Xtend in the world can't stop a "natural" lifter's CNS from taking such a huge hit. I'm sure catabolism would sky rocket even on the sauce if someone lifted like that all the time. I took a quick glance at his log as the advertisement was plastered all over bb.com and he always lifts like a wank.

I think he'd make more progress if he changed up his training. He does look good in competition with pro tan and professional lighting, but that's the only time. Watch his video logs of him a day or two out, he still looks exactly the same. Dim down the lights and rub a bottle of f*g tan on him and take a picture from a MySpace angle and he looks good.

Unless he's training with periodization where he takes some breaks from that heavy lifting, I don't know what's going through his peanut brain.

[Van_Bilderass]

Well as far as stagnation...i don't know the man personally but in every vid I've ever seen of him over the years he looks to be exactly the same size after his initial growth phase.

And tearing a pec is "beating the shit" out of your body.

I was given advice by a friend of mine who was a Nat level competitor over 15 years ago who was a very smart guy, he said " Greg i watch you train and you fucking kill yourself on every rep of every set like your life depended on it..... you are beating the shit out of yourself, that's no good for a natty. You need to turn it down a notch."

 And he was right, I stopped going to triple-negative-death failure on every set and I started growing again, and felt a whole lot better in general

Well, there's something 'dishonest' in this post, if you know what I mean     

Layne has hit his natural muscular peak a long time ago. Doesn't matter how he trains, he wont make any big gains. But powerlifting can make the physique a bit thicker, add a bit more upper back size and density and so on. Sure the heavier you train the more dangerous it is. It's a balancing act.

[Van_Bilderass]

315lbs for three controlled reps at 170lbs is pretty good for someone who's NOT lying, my natural friend. Speaking of natural. I was natural at the time. I put on 65lbs naturally before hitting this lift. Sometimes my shoulder is okay on flat bench but I'm just not comfortable with it. No bodybuilder, especially one my size needs to be doing heavy flat bench like that. I honestly don't think I should do more than 185lbs for my work sets, with a couple sets with 225lbs just to maintain strength. I train with intensity and intelligence, not ego.

If I started doing brutal strength training again like DC training then I know I can easily hit that again. But it's not worth it. Heavy lifting gets to a point where risk outweighs benefit by far. I think heavy lifting is paramount for gaining thickness, natural or enhanced. However the less "enhanced" you are, the less extremely heavy lifting. Just a few super heavy sets here and there, then a little lighter weight. Every big guy I know lifts like this and while I'm only a bit over 180lbs right now and dieting, I'm still lifting heavy, my physique is very full and I'm making progress.

Exactly. No need to stomp around and draw attention. Layne looks like he banged back a gram of metribolone (cheque drops) before every lift.

Yes. All the Xtend in the world can't stop a "natural" lifter's CNS from taking such a huge hit. I'm sure catabolism would sky rocket even on the sauce if someone lifted like that all the time. I took a quick glance at his log as the advertisement was plastered all over bb.com and he always lifts like a wank.

I think he'd make more progress if he changed up his training. He does look good in competition with pro tan and professional lighting, but that's the only time. Watch his video logs of him a day or two out, he still looks exactly the same. Dim down the lights and rub a bottle of f*g tan on him and take a picture from a MySpace angle and he looks good.

Unless he's training with periodization where he takes some breaks from that heavy lifting, I don't know what's going through his peanut brain.

If Layne continues to get stronger then he's not overtraining or overtaxing his CNS, don't you think?

[Palpatine Q]

Well, there's something 'dishonest' in this post, if you know what I mean     

Layne has hit his natural muscular peak a long time ago. Doesn't matter how he trains, he wont make any big gains. But powerlifting can make the physique a bit thicker, add a bit more upper back size and density and so on. Sure the heavier you train the more dangerous it is. It's a balancing act.

Are you implying that I'm misrepresenting myself here?