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Seventh Grader Sues School Over Right to Wear Pro-Life T-Shirt
Monday, July 06, 2009 
By Maxim Lott



A California mom says her public school administrators violated her daughter's First Amendment rights when they ordered the seventh-grader to take off her pro-life T-shirt.

Anna Amador has gone to court on behalf of her daughter, who she says was ordered by her principal to change her shirt on "National Pro-Life T-Shirt Day." The shirt the girl was wearing displays two graphic pictures of a fetus growing in the womb.

The incident occurred in April 2008 at McSwain Elementary School, a K-8 school in Merced, Calif. Amador alleges in her legal complaint that school Principal Terrie Rohrer, Assistant Principal C.W. Smith and office clerk Martha Hernandez mistreated her daughter and denied the girl her First Amendment rights when they ordered her to leave the cafeteria and change her shirt.

"Before Plaintiff could eat [breakfast] she was ordered by a school staff member to throw her food out and report immediately to Defendant Smith's office, located in the main office of McSwain Elementary School," the complaint reads.

"Upon arriving at the main office, Defendant Hernandez, intentionally and without Plaintiff's consent, grabbed Plaintiff's arm and forcibly escorted her toward Smith's office, at all times maintaining a vice-like grip on Plaintiff's arm. Hernandez only released Plaintiff's arm after physically locating her in front of Smith and Defendant Rohrer...

"Smith and Rohrer ordered Plaintiff to remove her pro-life T-shirt and instructed Plaintiff to never wear her pro-life T-shirt at McSwain Elementary School ever again...

"Completely humiliated and held out for ridicule, Plaintiff complied with Defendants' directives and removed her pro-life T-shirt, whereupon, Defendants seized and confiscated it. Defendants did not return Plaintiff's property until the end of the school day."

The school administrators dispute some of the allegations, said Anthony N. DeMaria, attorney for the McSwain Union Elementary School District.

"I think the school district has a very strong defense," DeMaria said. "The complaint does not properly characterize the events that happened. Certainly we dispute some of the events."

He said he was unable to reach the administrators to determine which parts they say are incorrect, because school is out for the summer. Rohrer, the principal, told FOXNews.com on Monday that she could not issue a statement without consulting with the school superintendent and their attorney. The other defendants and school district employees did not respond to calls and e-mails from FOXNews.com.

The school district sought to get the case thrown out due to "failure to state a cognizable claim," but a U.S. Eastern District Court judge ruled last month that all but one of Amador's claims could go forward.

The complaint quotes school district officials saying that they ordered Amador's daughter to remove the shirt because it constituted "inappropriate subject matter" in violation of the school's dress code, which bans clothing with "suggestion of tobacco, drug or alcohol use, sexual promiscuity, profanity, vulgarity, or other inappropriate subject matter."

Amador claims in the legal complaint that other students at the school have been allowed to wear expressive shirts, and she blames the school for “inconsistently applying their Dress Code based upon subjective determinations as to which messages are acceptable and which messages are not.”

One of the girl's lawyers, Mark A. Thiel, said that the images on her shirt of a fetus in the womb were same as those in her science textbooks. He said no student had complained about the shirt, and he said the girl's parents were not called when the incident took place.

"This was a young girl, not even in high school. But they didn't call," he said.

A spokeswoman for the local Planned Parenthood chapter declined to take sides in the case.

"Even offensive speech is protected as long as it doesn’t impinge upon the rights of others," said Deborah Ortiz, vice president of public affairs for Planned Parenthood Mar Monte.

"School administrators have a mission to educate, and the student’s right to political speech should be protected in balance with this education mission."

UCLA law professor and First Amendment expert Eugene Volokh said Supreme Court precedent appears to support the girl's case.

"During the Vietnam War, the Supreme Court ruled that wearing black arm bands [at school, to protest the war] was OK,” Volokh said. “If students can wear armbands in protest, why can't they wear a pro-life shirt?"

He said the case would be different if there was evidence that the shirt could have led to disruption or fighting.

"Schools have a lot more authority than the government does in regulating speech,” he said. “If someone is speaking on a street corner and it looks like other people are going to start a fight over it, the government's job is to protect the speaker. That is not the case in schools. We need to make sure students learn. So if speech is highly disruptive, well … in that case we can suppress it.

"But the school's position that they can restrict speech just because they find it inappropriate is not correct."

But the fact that it's a K-8 school with very young children could change things, said Brooklyn Law School professor William Araiza. He pointed to the 2007 Supreme Court decision in Morse v. Frederick, where the court allowed a high school to suspend students in Juneau, Alaska, who waved a banner that read “Bong hits 4 Jesus” from across the street during an Olympic torch relay, because it was seen as promoting illegal drug use.

“[The school] could almost use a “bong hits” kind of rationale about protecting students from inappropriate messages,” Araiza said. “For instance, would you allow a 4th grader to wear a gruesome picture of a bomb scene? You probably wouldn't.”

First Amendment attorney William Becker, who represents Amador, disagreed that the shirt could be seen as containing inappropriate messages.

"The message of the T-shirt is that life is sacred," he said. "One would be very hard pressed to find anything wrong with that particular idea, except that some people do object to the political message.”

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Re: Seventh Grader Sues School Over Right to Wear Pro-Life T-Shirt
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2009, 12:26:57 PM »
I just love it when people use their kids to push their agendas. Using a 7th grader really adds that little push, doesn't it?  ::)

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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2009, 01:52:09 PM »
I just love it when people use their kids to push their agendas. Using a 7th grader really adds that little push, doesn't it?  ::)
agreed, I didnt like it when those parents and teachers got their kids to sing the obama song or whatever during the campaign and I dont like this, they are kids let them be kids...

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2009, 07:18:44 AM »
What right does a school have to dictate what kids where as long as it isnt vulgar.Think they would tell a black kid to take off his "100% black shirt",I doubt it.If it was my kid,he would still be wearing the shirt and there wouldnt be a fucking thing and teacher or principal could do to stop it.

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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2009, 09:41:43 AM »
What right does a school have to dictate what kids where as long as it isnt vulgar.Think they would tell a black kid to take off his "100% black shirt",I doubt it.If it was my kid,he would still be wearing the shirt and there wouldnt be a fucking thing and teacher or principal could do to stop it.

So if my kid wore a shirt to your kids school that said "FUCK CHRISTIANS" or "Jesus was a homosexual" you'd be ok with that?

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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2009, 10:00:16 AM »
So if my kid wore a shirt to your kids school that said "FUCK CHRISTIANS" or "Jesus was a homosexual" you'd be ok with that?

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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2009, 10:27:44 AM »
So if my kid wore a shirt to your kids school that said "FUCK CHRISTIANS" or "Jesus was a homosexual" you'd be ok with that?

CAN YOU READ DUMBFUCK!!I said it couldnt be vulgar!!Or are you too dumb to understand vulgar.HOWEVER,I wouldnt give two shits what your kid had on his shirt ,Im sure if he would even look at my kid crosseyed he would get laid out in front of all the other kids.

By the way,once again,the retards on here think that because your pro-life your pro religion.Simple minded fools.Jesus was a jew,I think Ive ,made my position on jews fairly well known.I wouldnt care if he had a picture of Jesus hanging upside down on a cross.I dont get offended easily.

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2009, 10:49:48 AM »
Oh dear.



Billy, you stupid fuck. You are the fuckstick low-life parent who sends their kid to school dirty with a mohawk and gangland outfit, then acts like a tough guy when the school tell you 'no', aren't you?

Just to be clear, I would tell my son to fucking cold-cock your little bastard the first time he ran his mouth.. blabbering in spanish or somali or what-the-fuck-ever they speak in your little trailer park. I think you wouldn't do shit about it. I think you are the kind of guy who would go run and crying like a little bitch for protection to the same principle or teachers that you just told to go fuck themselves.

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 10:56:53 AM »
Oh dear.



Billy, you stupid fuck. You are the fuckstick low-life parent who sends their kid to school dirty with a mohawk and gangland outfit, then acts like a tough guy when the school tell you 'no', aren't you?

Just to be clear, I would tell my son to fucking cold-cock your little bastard the first time he ran his mouth.. blabbering in spanish or somali or what-the-fuck-ever they speak in your little trailer park. I think you wouldn't do shit about it. I think you are the kind of guy who would go run and crying like a little bitch for protection to the same principle or teachers that you just told to go fuck themselves.

You're all mouth Mr. BM.  All mouth.

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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2009, 11:10:31 AM »
is this really turning into a "my kid can beat up your kid" argument?  ???

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2009, 01:34:00 PM »
CAN YOU READ DUMBFUCK!!I said it couldnt be vulgar!!Or are you too dumb to understand vulgar.HOWEVER,I wouldnt give two shits what your kid had on his shirt ,Im sure if he would even look at my kid crosseyed he would get laid out in front of all the other kids.

By the way,once again,the retards on here think that because your pro-life your pro religion.Simple minded fools.Jesus was a jew,I think Ive ,made my position on jews fairly well known.I wouldnt care if he had a picture of Jesus hanging upside down on a cross.I dont get offended easily.

Judging by the way you write, your kid is "laying out" other kids because he's been held back 7 times. 
At least you never have to worry about a teacher finding out if you help your child on their homework.  Your poor child is going to grow up cheering for our Capitalist government totally oblivious to the fact that the real capitalist are sitting on their yachts laughing their asses off that it's always the poverty line imbeciles arguing hardest for the greatness of a Capitalist society.  The morons working for pennies and too dumb not to love every minute of it.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2009, 01:41:43 PM »
Oh dear.



Billy, you stupid fuck. You are the fuckstick low-life parent who sends their kid to school dirty with a mohawk and gangland outfit, then acts like a tough guy when the school tell you 'no', aren't you?

Just to be clear, I would tell my son to fucking cold-cock your little bastard the first time he ran his mouth.. blabbering in spanish or somali or what-the-fuck-ever they speak in your little trailer park. I think you wouldn't do shit about it. I think you are the kind of guy who would go run and crying like a little bitch for protection to the same principle or teachers that you just told to go fuck themselves.

You're all mouth Mr. BM.  All mouth.

Here is whats all mouth  you coward.I post with my name.Just look uo youtube and see what  am.Iam someone who would kick your face right off your head.Unlike the rest of the girls on GETBIG who claim big shit,Iam big shit,I do big shit,Id rip your fucking eyes out of your skull.My kid has national records at 7 years old,at 13 years old and will soon have them at 15 years old.Your kid is a bitch made homo.

Your a typical internet pussy.You would piss in your pants if you were face to face with me.In fact,I doubt your man enough to produce a kid or cleavor enough to con some bitch to fuck you.Now,go bavck to your fantasy world and keep thinking ANYONE is scared of you pussy.

By the way,here is my kid on the cover!!!!![best lifter] of BODYTECHUSA a couple of years ago.Does he look like he has a mohawk idiot.I await your kids pics and his many accomplishments.Somehow I doubt there are any.

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2009, 03:32:28 PM »
Holy Shit!!! I didn't know the special olympics had their own magazine these days  ??? O'DOYLE RULES!!!!!!!!  Just do me a favor and don't tell him that EVERYONE gets a medal...

Jeebus y'all, take a look at this rag! and yes, your kid probably would beat up mine, considering he's probably a 16 year old 7th grader.

And it really didn't take too much convincing... I guess your wife wasn't "cleavor enough" to beat the con. All it took was a 6-pack of Schlitz and a hard pack of Marboro Reds.

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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2009, 05:34:24 PM »
If it was actually the kids idea to wear the shirt I think she should be allowed, thats not an offensive shirt imho certainly no more offensive then some of the sexually deragotory shirts alot of kids wear these days...but like i said i hate it when parents use their children to help push their views...

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2009, 11:55:28 PM »
Here is whats all mouth  you coward.I post with my name.Just look uo youtube and see what  am.Iam someone who would kick your face right off your head.Unlike the rest of the girls on GETBIG who claim big shit,Iam big shit,I do big shit,Id rip your fucking eyes out of your skull.My kid has national records at 7 years old,at 13 years old and will soon have them at 15 years old.Your kid is a bitch made homo.

Your a typical internet pussy.You would piss in your pants if you were face to face with me.In fact,I doubt your man enough to produce a kid or cleavor enough to con some bitch to fuck you.Now,go bavck to your fantasy world and keep thinking ANYONE is scared of you pussy.

By the way,here is my kid on the cover!!!!![best lifter] of BODYTECHUSA a couple of years ago.Does he look like he has a mohawk idiot.I await your kids pics and his many accomplishments.Somehow I doubt there are any.

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We should all hope to be as  "cleavor enough" as Billy Mimnaugh and his children. If you google "Jalen Mimnaugh", you see that at least one of the "national records" he holds is in a division in which he was very likely the only competitor. His bench was like 135- which is not weak and I'm not criticizing the kid- but virtually our entire freshman squad could do one plate a side. There were many guys who could do two. I realize thirteen is a bit younger than a highschool freshman, but my point being his "national records" don't make him a bad ass. And you look like you'd have a heart attack if you even thought about throwing a punch.

I have a feeling I would probably piss my pants from laughter if we ever came face to face.


As for the shirt, the school is in the wrong, but I suspect the description of how events went down is , at best, over-dramatized. The girl is in junior high and I would bet that the administrators probably opted to err on the side of caution, probably not even taking the "side" of the t-shirt into account. A pro-choice shirt probably would have elicited the same reaction. I remember my Catholic high school having a lot of policies that seemed contradictory if you really examined them, but at their heart, they were just attempts to make sure things ran smoothly. The school may have over-reacted, but I think the mother is sort of a bitch for trying to politicize a grade school.

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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2009, 05:07:27 AM »
is this really turning into a "my kid can beat up your kid" argument?  ???

Yep. Can you believe it? Amazing!  :-\
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2009, 05:23:48 AM »
i think that shirt is inappropriate for school.  But I also believe that these little shits need to wear uniforms and adhere to a strict dress code.  I see some kids that are dressed like thugs and whores and they have no notion of the negativity it portrays.  Also wearing a shirt that says "jesus is a homsexual" isn't vulgar. 

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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2009, 09:04:55 AM »
Yep. Can you believe it? Amazing!  :-\

Except I'm just playin'  ;)

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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2009, 11:47:05 AM »
Except I'm just playin'  ;)

No need to clarify. I think we all know who the nutjob who isn't playing is?  :-\
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2009, 12:17:32 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2009, 01:27:27 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2009, 08:19:12 PM »
Whaaaat.  This was a good topic.  You guys went and gayed it all up.  :D

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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2009, 06:49:02 AM »
We should all hope to be as  "cleavor enough" as Billy Mimnaugh and his children. If you google "Jalen Mimnaugh", you see that at least one of the "national records" he holds is in a division in which he was very likely the only competitor. His bench was like 135- which is not weak and I'm not criticizing the kid- but virtually our entire freshman squad could do one plate a side. There were many guys who could do two. I realize thirteen is a bit younger than a highschool freshman, but my point being his "national records" don't make him a bad ass. And you look like you'd have a heart attack if you even thought about throwing a punch.

I have a feeling I would probably piss my pants from laughter if we ever came face to face.


As for the shirt, the school is in the wrong, but I suspect the description of how events went down is , at best, over-dramatized. The girl is in junior high and I would bet that the administrators probably opted to err on the side of caution, probably not even taking the "side" of the t-shirt into account. A pro-choice shirt probably would have elicited the same reaction. I remember my Catholic high school having a lot of policies that seemed contradictory if you really examined them, but at their heart, they were just attempts to make sure things ran smoothly. The school may have over-reacted, but I think the mother is sort of a bitch for trying to politicize a grade school.


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By the way,my kid is now getting ready for his freshman year and just benched 225 squatted 315 and pulled 315[only a small belt].All this at 155lbs.

Anyway,none of that is the point.The point is,that unless a school has a policy for uniforms,or is going to pay for a childs clothes,then they have no right to decide who wears what,ESPECIALLY if its not an across the board policy.Some might find ceratin rock groups shirts offensive,some might find wearing an Obama shirt offensive.Unless its vulgar,the school needs to allow it.OR the school can say plain t-shirts only,no writing on them.



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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2009, 07:02:16 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2009, 08:05:47 AM »
Good lord this thread took a wrong turn immediately after Billys little meltdown.