Seventh Grader Sues School Over Right to Wear Pro-Life T-Shirt

[BM OUT]

Good lord this thread took a wrong turn immediately after Billys little meltdown.

How do I get the blame?A guy posts what if his kid wore a "FUCK JESUS" shirt to school[after I said as long as the shirt wasnt vulgar] and directed it to me.Obviously he assumed I was a Christian[how and why I have no idea]and he was intentially trying to get me pissed off so I responded in exactly the same idiotic tone.This the problem here and all over.A lib purposely tries to insult or incite,then when anyone responds to it in exactly the same way,the lib says "meltdown".Gayest thing Ive ever seen.

[The Master]

How do I get the blame?A guy posts what if his kid wore a "FUCK JESUS" shirt to school[after I said as long as the shirt wasnt vulgar] and directed it to me.Obviously he assumed I was a Christian[how and why I have no idea]and he was intentially trying to get me pissed off so I responded in exactly the same idiotic tone.This the problem here and all over.A lib purposely tries to insult or incite,then when anyone responds to it in exactly the same way,the lib says "meltdown".Gayest thing Ive ever seen.

Your way or reasoning has an interesting way to it.

[BM OUT]

Your way or reasoning has an interesting way to it.

Was that not EXACTLY the way it happened?

[The Master]

Was that not EXACTLY the way it happened?

Debussey's comment was made after getting an impression from reading a few of your posts.

[BM OUT]

Debussey's comment was made after getting an impression from reading a few of your posts.

So,your agreeing that he posted the "FUCK JESUS" thing because he assumed I was a Christian.So,he was purposely trying to insult me to make his point,EXACTLY the way I insulted him back by saying my kid would knock his kid out[which is funny,because his kid could be 18 and weigh 280 for all I know].

Again,I posted that as long as the shirt isnt vulgar the school has no right to dictate what a kid can wear.He responded by saying the Jesus thing to insult me[which didnt insult me because I couldnt care less about Jesus].It seems my memory and recall is correct then.

[The Master]

So,your agreeing that he posted the "FUCK JESUS" thing because he assumed I was a Christian.So,he was purposely trying to insult me to make his point,EXACTLY the way I insulted him back by saying my kid would knock his kid out[which is funny,because his kid could be 18 and weigh 280 for all I know].

Again,I posted that as long as the shirt isnt vulgar the school has no right to dictate what a kid can wear.He responded by saying the Jesus thing to insult me[which didnt insult me because I couldnt care less about Jesus].It seems my memory and recall is correct then.

Debusseys comment had nothing to do with this specific case.

[Dos Equis]

If all kids wore uniforms this wouldn't be an issue. 

[BM OUT]

If all kids wore uniforms this wouldn't be an issue. 

Agree BUT who will pay for them?

[Dos Equis]

Agree BUT who will pay for them?

Private school the parents pay.  But re public schools?  Good question.  Didn't think about the tax implications of public school uniforms.

[Hereford]

I saw a story years back about some public ghetto school in NY that was forcing kids to wear uniforms due to the gang issues. They had some blacks hop up there and bitch and moan about how the school was forcing a hardship on them by making them buy uniforms for their little gangsta brats... but nothing said about the $140 Air Jordans or designer jeans they would wear otherwise.

[tonymctones]

Agree BUT who will pay for them?

In all honesty it would end up being cheaper then buying school clothes for the vast majority of ppl. Kids only need 2 or so sets of school clothes as opposed to numerous shirts, shorts, shoes, and pants if they dont wear a uniform...

[Dos Equis]

In all honesty it would end up being cheaper then buying school clothes for the vast majority of ppl. Kids only need 2 or so sets of school clothes as opposed to numerous shirts, shorts, shoes, and pants if they dont wear a uniform...

Uniforms are definitely cheaper in the long run.  I love them.  My kids hate them.   

[BM OUT]

In all honesty it would end up being cheaper then buying school clothes for the vast majority of ppl. Kids only need 2 or so sets of school clothes as opposed to numerous shirts, shorts, shoes, and pants if they dont wear a uniform...

Again,I agree,however,how do you think groups like the ACLU and other civil rights groups will react to it?How long before you have groups claiming the new uniforms are racist and designed to end individuality.Id love school uniforms,but I think you would have MASSIVE legal costs getting it through.

For me,it would be more expensive as my kid only wears sweats and t-shirts to school.I might save some bucks on sneakers though.

[tonymctones]

Uniforms are definitely cheaper in the long run.  I love them.  My kids hate them.   

I honestly was in favor of them growing up i never had them but i was one of those kids that rolled out of bed picked some shit off the floor and tried to make it look semi decent. I always thought it would be nice to not have to worry about what i was gonna wear... maybe that was just me...

Again,I agree,however,how do you think groups like the ACLU and other civil rights groups will react to it?How long before you have groups claiming the new uniforms are racist and designed to end individuality.Id love school uniforms,but I think you would have MASSIVE legal costs getting it through.

For me,it would be more expensive as my kid only wears sweats and t-shirts to school.I might save some bucks on sneakers though.

Ya I agree i think the ppl on the very low end of the economic scale might have problems but for most you would save money either on clothes or shoes etc...

[LurkerNoMore]

How do I get the blame?

Where did I blame you?

I said the thread took a wrong turn after you did your Daily Melting Trick.  That was simply observing WHAT happened, not WHO was to blame.

[Dos Equis]

I honestly was in favor of them growing up i never had them but i was one of those kids that rolled out of bed picked some shit off the floor and tried to make it look semi decent. I always thought it would be nice to not have to worry about what i was gonna wear... maybe that was just me...
Ya I agree i think the ppl on the very low end of the economic scale might have problems but for most you would save money either on clothes or shoes etc...

As I think about this, it really wouldn't be that much of a financial burden, because the parents have to buy clothes for their kids anyway. 

[BM OUT]

As I think about this, it really wouldn't be that much of a financial burden, because the parents have to buy clothes for their kids anyway. 

Thats true,BUT have you ever noticed that when your doing something because you want to as opposed to doing something because your forced to,expense seems to not matter.If they forced that on "the poor" you know there would be protests.Costs would matter little.I do think it would be a great thing,this way you would never know who has money and who doesnt and the kid without much,would look the same as the kid with a lot.Thats a far better environment for learning.

[Dos Equis]

Thats true,BUT have you ever noticed that when your doing something because you want to as opposed to doing something because your forced to,expense seems to not matter.If they forced that on "the poor" you know there would be protests.Costs would matter little.I do think it would be a great thing,this way you would never know who has money and who doesnt and the kid without much,would look the same as the kid with a lot.Thats a far better environment for learning.

Yep.  True.  People don't like to be forced to do anything.  But would definitely be a good idea. 

[24KT]

Good lord this thread took a wrong turn immediately after Billys little meltdown.

Ahh shut up... or billy will pound your face in, ...then his kid will stomp your kid on the playground,
...and don't think nanna's all safe in that nursing home neither. His grandma will slap the prune juice out of your grandma's arthritic fingers.

[Al Doggity]

It's interesting that so many of the conservatives on the board are essentially co-signing mandatory school uniforms.

As I've already mentioned in this thread, I went to a parochial high school, as well as a parochial grammar school. Even within our relatively tight dress code, we always managed to find a great deal of wiggle room. That's just going to happen with kids... hell, people in general. You just have to fucking deal with that shit. This t-shirt mess is hardly an indication of why dress codes would be a good idea. This is coming from someone who isn't even a clothes horse. My main criteria in choosing clothing to purchase
is how similar it looks to stuff I already have. And to be honest, I liked our dress code. I thought we looked so much neater than the public school kids. And Catholic school girls are just fucking hot.

I'm just kinda blown away (except, I'm not even a little surprised) that so many people who go on and on about our nanny states and  state's rights see the solution to what is ABSOLUTELY a non-issue as giving up choice.

[Dos Equis]

It's interesting that so many of the conservatives on the board are essentially co-signing mandatory school uniforms.

As I've already mentioned in this thread, I went to a parochial high school, as well as a parochial grammar school. Even within our relatively tight dress code, we always managed to find a great deal of wiggle room. That's just going to happen with kids... hell, people in general. You just have to fucking deal with that shit. This t-shirt mess is hardly an indication of why dress codes would be a good idea. This is coming from someone who isn't even a clothes horse. My main criteria in choosing clothing to purchase
is how similar it looks to stuff I already have. And to be honest, I liked our dress code. I thought we looked so much neater than the public school kids. And Catholic school girls are just fucking hot.

I'm just kinda blown away (except, I'm not even a little surprised) that so many people who go on and on about our nanny states and  state's rights see the solution to what is ABSOLUTELY a non-issue as giving up choice.

This isn't a liberal/conservative issue.  At least not for me.   

Did your school ever have a problem with messages on t-shirts?

[the_steevo_uk]

This isn't a liberal/conservative issue.  At least not for me.   

Did your school ever have a problem with messages on t-shirts?

Absolutely agree with you BB...also agree with you on the uniform issue, in Britain almost every schoolchild under 16 has to wear uniform, whether private or state. I dont see why people on here have a problem with uniforms, they make perfect sense, you're going to school not to a playpark.

left or right, its simply wrong to put your kid in a t-shirt with any sort of political slogan on it. Children can't understand the depth and complexity of an issue like abortion, or gay rights, or whatever, let them make their own damn minds up.

[Al Doggity]

This isn't a liberal/conservative issue.  At least not for me.   

Did your school ever have a problem with messages on t-shirts?

Message t-shirts? No. We weren't allowed to wear t-shirts. Message hats, bracelets, necklaces, ink or marker tattoos on hands or arms, dyed hair,  etc. ?  Yep.

This is the POLITICAL board. You've made your political leanings known here. Your posts in this particular thread seem to contradict posts you've made in the past along with others who fall into your camp. That is what I was pointing out.

That is beside the point, however. My point is that whatever problems arise from kids wearing whatever they want to wear within reason are rare enough, minimal enough and reasonable enough that  mandatory uniforms aren't an across the board good idea.

[Dos Equis]

Absolutely agree with you BB...also agree with you on the uniform issue, in Britain almost every schoolchild under 16 has to wear uniform, whether private or state. I dont see why people on here have a problem with uniforms, they make perfect sense, you're going to school not to a playpark.

left or right, its simply wrong to put your kid in a t-shirt with any sort of political slogan on it. Children can't understand the depth and complexity of an issue like abortion, or gay rights, or whatever, let them make their own damn minds up.

Yep.  Agree.

[Dos Equis]

Message t-shirts? No. We weren't allowed to wear t-shirts. Message hats, bracelets, necklaces, ink or marker tattoos on hands or arms, dyed hair,  etc. ?  Yep.

This is the POLITICAL board. You've made your political leanings known here. Your posts in this particular thread seem to contradict posts you've made in the past along with others who fall into your camp. That is what I was pointing out.

That is beside the point, however. My point is that whatever problems arise from kids wearing whatever they want to wear within reason are rare enough, minimal enough and reasonable enough that  mandatory uniforms aren't an across the board good idea.

Did you have a problem with "message hats" etc. at your school?  My kids wear uniforms to school and they're not permitted to wear "message hats," etc. and there is never a problem with kids trying to make political points with their clothes. 

This is a political board.  Thanks for clearing that up.  All I've said in this thread is I'm in favor of school uniforms.  How does that "contradict" posts I've made in the past? 

I agree with steevo's comments about uniforms.