To all those laughing at Adonis for his method ...

[liltacobell]

Do you like taco bell?

a lil....heheh

[wavelength]

Don't forget, he was doing NO cardio at all, those miles are irrelevant for fat burning.  
Wavelength not, but maybe his "guru". 

Alan never said he wasn't doing any cardio in his little example.

[wavelength]

wavelength doesn't even know how to spell ECA

I never took a fat burner in my life, couldn't care less if you believe me or not. I did exactly what I said I did and if you did the same thing, you would get ripped just as well.

[liltacobell]

Alan never said he wasn't doing any cardio in his little example.

alans experimental sample still has a lot of holes.....it may have worked for a few, but thats not indicitive of a population....better than nothing i guess??

[Deicide]

Alan never said he wasn't doing any cardio in his little example.

Please address my execution point Sir Wave.

[liltacobell]

and still i thought we were gonna hack apenis diet method of ultimate rippededness??? lol....fuckin hack...

[wavelength]

alans experimental sample still has a lot of holes.....it may have worked for a few, but thats not indicitive of a population....better than nothing i guess??

It was just a little example to make a point. He has tons of experience and constantly reviews scientific studies on nutrition. He is probably one of the most knowledgable people out there when it comes to nutrition.

[Cleanest Natural]

Alan never said he wasn't doing any cardio in his little example.

anecdotal ?

you said I have no credibility compared to your boy

I think I have

I did diet for bb shows and that's a great learning tool

I helped others do the same

I trained athletes with totally diff regimens

do you know what it takes for a marathon runner or triathlete to stay hydrated and glyco loaded ?

etc etc

gimme a fucking break .. you tring to discredit me is hillarious

you aparently are a 35 yo austrian who never bodybuilded and get's to 5 % bodyfat naturally without cardio, with sugars and fats and hydrogenated oils and no fatburners t3 etc

and fat loss is one thing, and getting cut at 5 % is a totally diff ballgame my friend

[Cleanest Natural]

It was just a little example to make a point. He has tons of experience and constantly reviews scientific studies on nutrition. He is probably one of the most knowledgable people out there when it comes to nutrition.

sais who ? you ? 

[Mr Nobody]

... I think this deserves special attention. I asked one of the world's leading nutritionists about my method of getting ripped using the simple rules of protein intake, rate of weight loss, and anaerobic training while eating "junk" food, drinking alcohol, doing no cardio, using candy and icecream for carbing up, not caring about fat/carb ratio, not caring about GI, not using any supplements other than whey for convenience, not caring about meal frequency. This is what he had to say:

And here is a little background info on Alan: 'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'

Lets check with Debussey on his recommendation

[liltacobell]

It was just a little example to make a point. He has tons of experience and constantly reviews scientific studies on nutrition. He is probably one of the most knowledgable people out there when it comes to nutrition.

uhhh...NO....he likes to regurgetate things he reads....so what?? ive seen him argue what someone else writes or thinks to the death......BUT i dont see much of him being an intellect and coming to his own conclusions.....

smart people repeat and defend.....intellegent people offer and explain....

feel me?

[DK II]

anecdotal ?

you said I have no credibility compared to your boy

I think I have

I did diet for bb shows and that's a great learning tool

I helped others do the same

I trained athletes with totally diff regimens

do you know what it takes for a marathon runner or triathlete to stay hydrated and glyco loaded ?

etc etc

gimme a fucking break .. you tring to discredit me is hillarious

you aparently are a 35 yo austrian who never bodybuilded and get's to 5 % bodyfat naturally without cardio, with sugars and fats and hydrogenated oils and no fatburners t3 etc

and fat loss is one thing, and getting cut at 5 % is a totally diff ballgame my friend

i doubt you'll get a reliable answer on this....

[Deicide]

uhhh...NO....he likes to regurgetate things he reads....so what?? ive seen him argue what someone else writes or thinks to the death......BUT i dont see much of him being an intellect and coming to his own conclusions.....

smart people repeat and defend.....intellegent people offer and explain....

feel me?

Hmm...logically why would wavelength's method be impossible if he has a deficit, enough protein and nutrients?

[Cleanest Natural]

i doubt you'll get a reliable answer on this....

you know

I agree on fatloss with that method

but getting fucking ripped cometition condition on it ??


gimme a fucking break

[liltacobell]

Hmm...logically why would wavelength's method be impossible if he has a deficit, enough protein and nutrients?

because a deficit does not create the necessary anabolic enviroment for each and every individual......thats the catch...its individual....some of my clients can and need 400 carbs a day and some dont.....yet each reaches contest shape?? so deficit and protein dont necessarily equat to a proper anabolic condition/.....

[DK II]

you know

I agree on fatloss with that method

but getting fucking ripped cometition condition on it ??


gimme a fucking break

i totally agree with you.

[wavelength]

anecdotal ?

you said I have no credibility compared to your boy

I think I have

I did diet for bb shows and that's a great learning tool

I helped others do the same

I trained athletes with totally diff regimens

do you know what it takes for a marathon runner or triathlete to stay hydrated and glyco loaded ?

etc etc

gimme a fucking break .. you tring to discredit me is hillarious

you aparently are a 35 yo austrian who never bodybuilded and get's to 5 % bodyfat naturally without cardio, with sugars and fats and hydrogenated oils and no fatburners t3 etc

and fat loss is one thing, and getting cut at 5 % is a totally diff ballgame my friend

Again, experience with clients is anectodal evidence. Doesn't mean it's useless but it's not scientific evidence unless performed under the rules of scientific studies. Too many unknown variables. The methods may be optimal for the target at hand and still impose unnecessary restrictions.

I never said you had no credibility, you said that about me: "Anyone with half a brain will laugh at you".
I never claimed that I have knowledge on endurance training, you most probably know more about that than me.

I wasn't anywhere close to 5% bodyfat, have you seen my legs and arms?

Regarding the difference between losing fat and getting ripped, your argument was about losing fat, you didn't say anything about contest condition:

u joking right?
burning fat naturally without drugs or cardio while ingesting fat, sugars, starches and hydrogenated oils
ok 

You said that anyone who knows anything about nutrition would say that I can never get to the condition displayed in the pics using the method I have described. I presented the statments of three of the most respected nutritionists in the field who all agreed that it is possible. You may still believe they are all liars and posers like me of course.

[Cleanest Natural]

Again, experience with clients is anectodal evidence. Doesn't mean it's useless but it's not scientific evidence unless performed under the rules of scientific studies. Too many unknown variables. The methods may be optimal for the target at hand and still impose unnecessary restrictions.

I never said you had no credibility, you said that about me: "Anyone with half a brain will laugh at you".
I never claimed that I have knowledge on endurance training, you most probably know more about that than me.

I wasn't anywhere close to 5% bodyfat, have you seen my legs and arms?

Regarding the difference between losing fat and getting ripped, your argument was about losing fat, you didn't say anything about contest condition:

You said that anyone who knows anything about nutrition would say that I can never get to the condition displayed in the pics using the method I have described. I presented the statments of three of the most respected nutritionists in the field who all agreed that it is possible. You may still believe they are all liars and posers like me of course.

you know ..

maybe I shoud give it  atry and see how ripped I can get

If I get as ripped as you I'll publicly apologize to you and will forget my past 18 years in the gym

[Tapeworm]

i totally agree with you.

Lot of love in this thread.

[wavelength]

because a deficit does not create the necessary anabolic enviroment for each and every individual......thats the catch...its individual....some of my clients can and need 400 carbs a day and some dont.....yet each reaches contest shape?? so deficit and protein dont necessarily equat to a proper anabolic condition/.....

Well in a deficit everybody must lose weight. At some point, body composition will suffer of course, meaning the ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss will deteriorate. The question is what is essential for keeping that deterioration at bay.

[DK II]

Lot of love in this thread.

Team Love on the rise again! 

[Deicide]

Well in a deficit everybody must lose weight. At some point, body composition will suffer of course, meaning the ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss will deteriorate. The question is what is essential for keeping that deterioration at bay.

If nothing else, you have created love between DK and Sev. Well done.

[Cleanest Natural]

when I diet as anyone who ever done it knows , the body adapts quicly on a deficit , metabolism shuts down and you need to jumpstart it again

that's why we cycle carbs and reload with glycogen

even keto diets do the same


you don't ...how the fuck do you do it then ? your metabolism steadily burns the fat ?  

[liltacobell]

where that cracker nig adonis?? i NEVER post yet i would love to pick his community college, supermarket sacker brain???

[Deicide]

where that cracker nig adonis?? i NEVER post yet i would love to pick his community college, supermarket sacker brain???

Recently TA claimed he either went to Duke or UNC Chapel Hill....