To all those laughing at Adonis for his method ...

[wavelength]

you know ..

maybe I shoud give it  atry and see how ripped I can get

If I get as ripped as you I'll publicly apologize to you and will forget my past 18 years in the gym

Exactly, that's what I proposed already in the other thread. I will announce again here that I will delete my account on getbig if you:

- eat enough protein (1g / lb of LBM),
- perform intense weight training at least 3 times a week, all major muscle groups involved,
- get your basic nutrition (micros, EFAs, etc.),
- above that eat whatever you want,
- but adjust your total intake so that you lose weight (e.g. 1lb / week),

and don't get ripped without any legal or illegal supplements. I will stop posting on Getbig if you don't get ripped doing that for long enough. For the last week, I got rid of the water by means of sodium restriction, as explained in the other thread, so that would be the finishing touch.

[Cleanest Natural]

Recently TA claimed he either went to Duke or UNC Chapel Hill....

how about I'll put you on a diet, training cardio and fatburners ?

waddayasay ?

[Cleanest Natural]

Exactly, that's what I proposed already in the other thread. I will announce again here that I will delete my account on getbig if you:

- eat enough protein (1g / lb of LBM),
- perform intense weight training at least 3 times a week, all major muscle groups involved,
- get your basic nutrition (micros, EFAs, etc.),
- above that eat whatever you want,
- but adjust your total intake so that you lose weight (e.g. 1lb / week),

and don't get ripped without any legal or illegal supplements. I will stop posting on Getbig if you don't get ripped doing that for long enough. For the last week, I got rid of the water by means of sodium restriction, as explained in the other thread, so that would be the finishing touch.

cool

still avoiding an answer

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WHAEN YOU STAGNATE AND METABOLISM SHUTS DOWN

reduce calories even more ? starve ?

[Deicide]

how about I'll put you on a diet, training cardio and fatburners ?

waddayasay ?

No fatburners for me. Too old. When I was younger, I tried really strong ephedra. I didn't feel good at all.

[liltacobell]

Well in a deficit everybody must lose weight. At some point, body composition will suffer of course, meaning the ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss will deteriorate. The question is what is essential for keeping that deterioration at bay.

would be nice but no....cuz the body, and  metabolism will adjust...so defecit is just a portion of the key..

the real key is to keep metabolism hight while caloric intake is low....true dieting is a balance of intake and manipulation of metabolism.........make the body think your eating all the time.....key is to know when the metabolism is slowing and take proper action..//....

[The True Adonis]

They will learn one day.

[wavelength]

cool

still avoiding an answer

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WHAEN YOU STAGNATE AND METABOLISM SHUTS DOWN

reduce calories even more ? starve ?

Metabolism slows down somewhat in a deficit, but regardless of eating patterns. There are no controlled scientific studies whatsoever (I know of) showing that it would "shut down" (unless in extreme situations). When weight loss stalls, it's because maintenance has been reached again (due to weight loss) and calories must be reduced again.

[Marty Champions]

cool

still avoiding an answer

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO WHAEN YOU STAGNATE AND METABOLISM SHUTS DOWN

reduce calories even more ? starve ?

brother failurecon rev sev. we have to be in starvation mode 4 ever to be 4 ever ripped

[Deicide]

They will learn one day.

So you went to Duke?

[wavelength]

would be nice but no....cuz the body, and  metabolism will adjust...so defecit is just a portion of the key..

the real key is to keep metabolism hight while caloric intake is low....true dieting is a balance of intake and manipulation of metabolism.........make the body think your eating all the time.....key is to know when the metabolism is slowing and take proper action..//....

The definition of "deficit" takes the slowdown of metabolism into account. In a deficit, you will lose weight.

[liltacobell]

They will learn one day.

dude but you still look like 2/3 of the beer drinking, pro hormone taking, frat daddys at our college.....??  so really....whats your point??? whats your PRINCIPLE....and how does it apply to REAL bodybuilding??

[Deicide]

The definition of "deficit" takes the slowdown of metabolism into account. In a deficit, you will lose weight.

 

[Cleanest Natural]

Metabolism slows down somewhat in a deficit, but regardless of eating patterns. There are no controlled scientific studies whatsoever (I know of) showing that it would "shut down" (unless in extreme situations). When weight loss stalls, it's because maintenance has been reached again (due to weight loss) and calories must be reduced again.

no scientific studies ??

mutherfucker

my metab shuts down ....everyone I worked with has the same "problem"

read what liltacobell wrote above cause he put it real nice  

[The True Adonis]

would be nice but no....cuz the body, and  metabolism will adjust...so defecit is just a portion of the key..

the real key is to keep metabolism hight while caloric intake is low....true dieting is a balance of intake and manipulation of metabolism.........make the body think your eating all the time.....key is to know when the metabolism is slowing and take proper action..//....

My Macros change on a daily basis.

For instance, yesterday I baked Peppermint Chocolate Cookies and made Italian Sausage Pizza with Fontina cheese, Mozzarella, Parmesan, Basil, Tomatoes.  We fermented the crust for 36 hours.  I also had some Greek Yogurt with Raspberries.

I have no clue what the Macros are nor do I worry.


Today, I will have totally different Macros depending on whatever I cook or decide to pick up.  My macros always change.

[Deicide]

My Macros change on a daily basis.

For instance, yesterday I baked Peppermint Chocolate Cookies and made Italian Sausage Pizza with Fontina cheese, Mozzarella, Parmesan, Basil, Tomatoes.  We fermented the crust for 36 hours.  I also had some Greek Yogurt with Raspberries.

I have no clue what the Macros are nor do I worry.


Today, I will have totally different Macros depending on whatever I cook or decide to pick up.  My macros always change.

You should consider yourself very fortunate that someone pays for your entire life.

[Cleanest Natural]

Metabolism slows down somewhat in a deficit, but regardless of eating patterns. There are no controlled scientific studies whatsoever (I know of) showing that it would "shut down" (unless in extreme situations). When weight loss stalls, it's because maintenance has been reached again (due to weight loss) and calories must be reduced again.

so I reduce even more ?

well

let's say I burn fat at 2200 cals ..it shuts down I go to 2000 maybe ...it shut's down again, I go to 1800

after 2 months what the fuck do I do ?

survive on 1500 cals

[The True Adonis]

dude but you still look like 2/3 of the beer drinking, pro hormone taking, frat daddys at our college.....??  so really....whats your point??? whats your PRINCIPLE....and how does it apply to REAL bodybuilding??

I am 5`11 and 178 or so there.  Sure I am not a monster, nor would I like to be.  I am also lifetime Natural and think I am within the bounds of a great weight for a natural.

Naturals at my height and leanness are never over 200 lbs you know.

[liltacobell]

The definition of "deficit" takes the slowdown of metabolism into account. In a deficit, you will lose weight.

yeah....metabolism adjusts...taht was my point....but at .what point does the defecit elicit mucle loss?? at what point does your defecit not provide an adequate balance between muscle preservation and fat loss....keep in mind we dont all want to look like adonis....and lose 20lbs of muscle to get half assed ripped....drugs or not...!!!!

[wavelength]

no scientific studies ??

mutherfucker

my metab shuts down ....everyone I worked with has the same "problem"

read what liltacobell wrote above cause he put it real nice  

I read what he posted and responded.
What exactly do you mean by shut down? How did you determine that? What exactly did you do?

[Cleanest Natural]

My Macros change on a daily basis.

For instance, yesterday I baked Peppermint Chocolate Cookies and made Italian Sausage Pizza with Fontina cheese, Mozzarella, Parmesan, Basil, Tomatoes.  We fermented the crust for 36 hours.  I also had some Greek Yogurt with Raspberries.

I have no clue what the Macros are nor do I worry.


Today, I will have totally different Macros depending on whatever I cook or decide to pick up.  My macros always change.

so you don't count calories but you "KNOW" you are running in a deficit lool



FUCKING TEACH ME BRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF I PUT MY CLIENTS ON PIZZA AND ICECREAM I'LL BE THE RICHEST FUCKING NUTRITIONIST WHO EVER LIVED  

[Deicide]

I am 5`11 and 178 or so there.  Sure I am not a monster, nor would I like to be.  I am also lifetime Natural and think I am within the bounds of a great weight for a natural.

Naturals at my height and leanness are never over 200 lbs you know.

You are a professionaler loafer and moocher. Does your wife have a sugar daddy/mommy as well?

[The True Adonis]

so you don't count calories but you "KNOW" you are running in a deficit lool



FUCKING TEACH ME BRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF I PUT MY CLIENTS ON PIZZA AND ICECREAM I'LL BE THE RICHEST FUCKING NUTRITIONIST WHO EVER LIVED  

I eat 2000 calories 6 days a week.  1 day a week I do not count whatsoever and probably get 5000-10000 at times.  Easy to do when you bake so many yummies!

[Cleanest Natural]

I read what he posted and responded.
What exactly do you mean by shut down? How did you determine that? What exactly did you do?

YOU STOP BURNING FAT !

your body doensn't know you diet...he only knows he's getting little food..so he goes into starvation mode

starts holding on to fat in order to be able to eat itself when it starves or there's no food

defense mechanism

all my life I thought that in order to burn fat you gotta run a glycogen deficit in order to trick the body into using subcutaneous fat as fuel for cardio and workouts

when it shuts down, reload with carbs and glycogen , it starts the metab again and so on ...

[DK II]

so you don't count calories but you "KNOW" you are running in a deficit lool



FUCKING TEACH ME BRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF I PUT MY CLIENTS ON PIZZA AND ICECREAM I'LL BE THE RICHEST FUCKING NUTRITIONIST WHO EVER LIVED  

So THATs how TA got so rich!  

[wavelength]

so I reduce even more ?

well

let's say I burn fat at 2200 cals ..it shuts down I go to 2000 maybe ...it shut's down again, I go to 1800

after 2 months what the fuck do I do ?

survive on 1500 cals

Here's the method: stay at a certain deficit for at least 4 weeks. If weight loss stalls in those complete 4 weeks, slightly reduce. With this method, I only had to adjust one single time on my last diet.

As I said, controlled studies show a pretty constant rate of weight loss on a certain deficit until maintenance is reached again.