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second......there are many men who comitted rape who weren't "insane" as you put it....sometimes rape happens on a date.....I'm sure you've heard of date rape....some guys rape their wives..were all those guys insane as well?..they were basically normal guys who got carried away and took advantage of a situation....

Yes, those guys were all insane, and not just "normal guys who got carried away" 

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Yes, those guys were all insane, and not just "normal guys who got carried away" 


If you really believe that then you are the one whose insane

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If you really believe that then you are the one whose insane
Return your degree with an apology and seek professional help.
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Return your degree with an apology and seek professional help.



Benny...I wish you wouldn't get involved with this because you and I are usually on the same side in most issues...but do you REALLY believe that all rapists are insane????

because if you believe that then you give a free pass not only to them but to all who commit crimes..they can simply state that they are crazy...they are not..are a very few insane?..yes..but the vast majority are just violent guys or again, guys who went too far because they felt entitled to the pussy and was turned down

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Benny...I wish you wouldn't get involved with this because you and I are usually on the same side in most issues...but do you REALLY believe that all rapists are insane????

because if you believe that then you give a free pass not only to them but to all who commit crimes..they can simply state that they are crazy...they are not..are a very few insane?..yes..but the vast majority are just violent guys or again, guys who went too far because they felt entitled to the pussy and was turned down

It's a complex situation...I don't doubt that if a man and a woman live years in a sick relationship things can go ugly even if both persons are sane.

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It's a complex situation...I don't doubt that if a man and a woman live years in a sick relationship things can go ugly even if both persons are sane.


exactly right Klaus.....it IS a complex situation....as are many of the relationships between men and women.....some guys are violent and crazy....other guys are dudes who lost it and did something really dumb and outrageous......sometime s we guys just go into denial.....a woman we are interested in says she's not interested and we think "oh she's just playing hard to get" and we keep pursuing her to the point of harassment or stalking....which can then lead to rape or sexual assault because we  "know she wants it"

or when a woman lets you kiss her, feel her up, take off some of her clothes, then says that's enough but the guy keeps going because he has been brought up to believe that when a girl says no it REALLY means yes....and that then progresses towards rape....

or when lets say a 19 year old has sex with a 16 year old.....the law considers that to be rape as well....and there are guys being prosecuted for this in certain states which are tough on this type of thing....

or a husband rapes his wife because like you said in your post, they have a dysfunctional complex relationship and the husband feels entitled to sex because the woman is his legal wife....

in all of the scenarios above..are those guys INSANE???? ..highly unlikely....they were basically normal guys who for some reason or by their own naivety, stupidity, or lack of control, crossed a line they shouldn't have crossed.....

The point I originally tried to make before I was sidetracked was I think this guy who murdered victor's sister probably wanted her sexually and was trying to convince her for a long time to sleep with him....she kept turning down his repeated advances and he cornered her in an isolated part of the building and came on to her.....she rejected him again and he may have tried to rape her and she fought back and it went wrong because now she was going to probably report him...so he killed her in a panic or on purpose to silence her..that was my theory.....why else would he kill a female co-worker?..he has a history of violence against his girlfriend as well

many of you are bashing me without thinking through what I am saying

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Benny...I wish you wouldn't get involved with this because you and I are usually on the same side in most issues...but do you REALLY believe that all rapists are insane????

because if you believe that then you give a free pass not only to them but to all who commit crimes..they can simply state that they are crazy...they are not..are a very few insane?..yes..but the vast majority are just violent guys or again, guys who went too far because they felt entitled to the pussy and was turned down

Showing that they could have it at anytime, and didn't need "permission"?

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exactly right Klaus.....it IS a complex situation....as are many of the relationships between men and women.....some guys are violent and crazy....other guys are dudes who lost it and did something really dumb and outrageous......sometime s we guys just go into denial.....a woman we are interested in says she's not interested and we think "oh she's just playing hard to get" and we keep pursuing her to the point of harassment or stalking....which can then lead to rape or sexual assault because we  "know she wants it"

or when a woman lets you kiss her, feel her up, take off some of her clothes, then says that's enough but the guy keeps going because he has been brought up to believe that when a girl says no it REALLY means yes....and that then progresses towards rape....

or when lets say a 19 year old has sex with a 16 year old.....the law considers that to be rape as well....and there are guys being prosecuted for this in certain states which are tough on this type of thing....

or a husband rapes his wife because like you said in your post, they have a dysfunctional complex relationship and the husband feels entitled to sex because the woman is his legal wife....

in all of the scenarios above..are those guys INSANE???? ..highly unlikely....they were basically normal guys who for some reason or by their own naivety, stupidity, or lack of control, crossed a line they shouldn't have crossed.....

The point I originally tried to make before I was sidetracked was I think this guy who murdered victor's sister probably wanted her sexually and was trying to convince her for a long time to sleep with him....she kept turning down his repeated advances and he cornered her in an isolated part of the building and came on to her.....she rejected him again and he may have tried to rape her and she fought back and it went wrong because now she was going to probably report him...so he killed her in a panic or on purpose to silence her..that was my theory.....why else would he kill a female co-worker?..he has a history of violence against his girlfriend as well

many of you are bashing me without thinking through what I am saying
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Showing that they could have it at anytime, and didn't need "permission"?


that's the whole point...showing that they, in their own warped minds, felt they were entitled..maybe like the attacker of victor's sister

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that's the whole point...showing that they, in their own warped minds, felt they were entitled..maybe like the attacker of victor's sister
Now u may see it

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Now u may see it


I have always seen it... now maybe you will as well

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I have always seen it... now maybe you will as well
Jesus christ man,just look at the name I calle dyou when I quote your comments!!!

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Jesus christ man,just look at the name I calle dyou when I quote your comments!!!


I saw it....very clever actually..I laughed

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I saw it....very clever actually..I laughed
Good stuff man,cool you have a sense of humour

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Benny...I wish you wouldn't get involved with this because you and I are usually on the same side in most issues...but do you REALLY believe that all rapists are insane????

because if you believe that then you give a free pass not only to them but to all who commit crimes..they can simply state that they are crazy...they are not..are a very few insane?..yes..but the vast majority are just violent guys or again, guys who went too far because they felt entitled to the pussy and was turned down

That's where the insanity part comes in.  Anyone who goes "too far" or feels they are entitled to pussy so they take it by force is crazy, not normal, insane, however you want to word it.  Normal men, like myself, would never fall into such a scenerio under any circumstances.

You really should distance yourself from sympathizing with rapists man.

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That's where the insanity part comes in.  Anyone who goes "too far" or feels they are entitled to pussy so they take it by force is crazy, not normal, insane, however you want to word it.  Normal men, like myself, would never fall into such a scenerio under any circumstances.

You really should distance yourself from sympathizing with rapists man.

you haven't seen any sympathy for rapists in any of my posts....you've seen my theory as to why this asshole would commit such a crime to an unarmed woman

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RIP, that is aweful.

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you haven't seen any sympathy for rapists in any of my posts....you've seen my theory as to why this asshole would commit such a crime to an unarmed woman

By "sympathy" I mean explaining that even sane men are capable of committing something like this.  Guess we can just agree to disagree.

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By "sympathy" I mean explaining that even sane men are capable of committing something like this.  Guess we can just agree to disagree.

Bigbobs....I gave you four different scenarios in an above post where a person who seems to be normal could do something as heinous as rape....these men don't suddenly go insane in that moment of rape.....these scenarios happen every day.....it is inconceivable that all of these guys are insane...they are usually everyday guys...fathers....people who work ....boyfriends, etc......not always some slobbering guy in a dark alley

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Andreisdaman is right.

PS - Here are a few more examples I can add.

1. I know a girl who often has one night stands. She in particular loves to picks up guys, and then once they are having sex and the guy is nearing coming, she tells them "stop, I don't think we should do this, etc" and tries to push them off her. She estimates that 80% of them will forcefully keep going, which she loves, and "rape her" until they come. Further, she is actually secretly dissappointed at the guys who stop when she askes them to, considering them to be wimps. I don't consider the guys in this situation who keep thusting until they blow their load to be insane.

2. Almost any guy who lives in Japan will tell you that when you are out with a girl, you need to "rape" them if you want the relationship to progress to a sexual one. What happens in Japanese culture is that when the man tries to initiate sex (its never ever initiated by the girl) the girl (or at least any decent one) MUST refuse. If she appears eager, let alone willing, she will be considered a slut by the man (ie not suitable for a relationship). So, when the man starts "raping her" she will say things like "no, stop, etc" and during the act of sex will "scream", things like "no, it hurts, stop, please stop etc" (look at any Japanese porn vid and you will see what I mean). Of course this type of "raping" needs to be done in a culturally acceptable way - when taking here clothes off, she needs to resist, but let you use just enough effort to get them off without tearing them, she wil try to not let you take her panties off, but eventually after a bit of an attempt by her to stop you they come off, etc. (One could not for example simply grab a women off the street and rape her there on the spot). But in any case, this kind of Japanese "date rape" is another example of men who are technically "raping" but yet surely are not insane doing this.

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Andreisdaman is right.

PS - Here are a few more examples I can add.

1. I know a girl who often has one night stands. She in particular loves to picks up guys, and then once they are having sex and the guy is nearing coming, she tells them "stop, I don't think we should do this, etc" and tries to push them off her. She estimates that 80% of them will forcefully keep going, which she loves, and "rape her" until they come. Further, she is actually secretly dissappointed at the guys who stop when she askes them to, considering them to be wimps. I don't consider the guys in this situation who keep thusting until they blow their load to be insane.

2. Almost any guy who lives in Japan will tell you that when you are out with a girl, you need to "rape" them if you want the relationship to progress to a sexual one. What happens in Japanese culture is that when the man tries to initiate sex (its never ever initiated by the girl) the girl (or at least any decent one) MUST refuse. If she appears eager, let alone willing, she will be considered a slut by the man (ie not suitable for a relationship). So, when the man starts "raping her" she will say things like "no, stop, etc" and during the act of sex will "scream", things like "no, it hurts, stop, please stop etc" (look at any Japanese porn vid and you will see what I mean). Of course this type of "raping" needs to be done in a culturally acceptable way - when taking here clothes off, she needs to resist, but let you use just enough effort to get them off without tearing them, she wil try to not let you take her panties off, but eventually after a bit of an attempt by her to stop you they come off, etc. (One could not for example simply grab a women off the street and rape her there on the spot). But in any case, this kind of Japanese "date rape" is another example of men who are technically "raping" but yet surely are not insane doing this.

interesting points....very interesting how there is such a thing as culturally accepted rape.....it's sort of like a mind game that both the male and female participate in....both with an "understanding" of what the rules are and how to play the game.....I guess the process of getting there is as important as the actual act...

I missed out recently on banging a chick because she wanted me to beat her up before sex and tie her up and smack her around.....let me tell you, this girl is so goddamn hot ....she's amazing....she's 27 and looks 19...but I was too uptight and scared to go through with it because she wanted me to hit her really hard and I am not into that....I don't mind some spanking but I draw the line at punching and throwing her around.....I even wanted a password that she could say which would indicate for me to stop if I was getting too rough and she did not want that....that kind of scared me....she wanted to be my slave and said I could do anything to her....anal and all......but in the end I was afraid something might go wrong which could get me in trouble....I am kicking myself but still I don't feel it's worth the risk.....

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interesting points....very interesting how there is such a thing as culturally accepted rape.....it's sort of like a mind game that both the male and female participate in....both with an "understanding" of what the rules are and how to play the game.....I guess the process of getting there is as important as the actual act...

I missed out recently on banging a chick because she wanted me to beat her up before sex and tie her up and smack her around.....let me tell you, this girl is so goddamn hot ....she's amazing....she's 27 and looks 19...but I was too uptight and scared to go through with it because she wanted me to hit her really hard and I am not into that....I don't mind some spanking but I draw the line at punching and throwing her around.....I even wanted a password that she could say which would indicate for me to stop if I was getting too rough and she did not want that....that kind of scared me....she wanted to be my slave and said I could do anything to her....anal and all......but in the end I was afraid something might go wrong which could get me in trouble....I am kicking myself but still I don't feel it's worth the risk.....
First your Mr Rape, and now your too much of a pussy to give this hoe what she asked for ::)

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Re: Victor Martinez's sister vanishes from a Manhattan office tower
« Reply #198 on: August 12, 2009, 05:47:20 AM »
Some of you guys are a fucking disgrace! The man's sister goes missing and here you are making fucking jokes! I hope noone ever goes the length of losing a loved one and I love to see how well you take it! Fucking losers!

Right on. Lets hope Victor doesn't catch the perp(s) before the police.

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First your Mr Rape, and now your too much of a pussy to give this hoe what she asked for ::)


FUNNY ;D...but..something tells me if I had given that chick what she asked for then it would have been my ass getting raped...in prison :(