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Pentagon Denies Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ in Nampa Idaho Because of its Christian Content
By Christian Newswire  Friday, July 3, 2009

NAMPA, Idaho--This marks the first time in the 42 year history of the event that a flyover request was denied by the Pentagon.

The event is held ever year to honor the spiritual foundations of our country with a special emphasis on the men and women who serve in the armed forces.

In past years, the “God and Country Rally” has focused on honoring and paying tribute to those veterans who have served our nation in the past and those who are currently on active duty.

At the rally this year, all five branches of the armed services were featured with over 60 new recruits sworn into the military at the event.

After a phone conversation and an e-mail response from the Pentagon, Rally Director Patti Syme says they were denied the request for a flyover this year because of the “Christian” nature of the event.

The e-mail from the Pentagon can be seen here.

The Christian Defense Coalition says this is a “slap in the face” to all those who have proudly served or are currently on active duty in the armed services.

The group is concerned that this new policy may indicate an open hostility toward public expressions of faith by the Obama Administration.

Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, Director of the Christian Defense Coalition, states,

    “For years, flyovers have been allowed by the Pentagon at the ‘God and Country Rally’ in Nampa Idaho. These flyovers were not to endorse or promote any one religious faith tradition. Rather, they were held to honor and pay tribute to our heroic men and women who have served or are currently serving in our armed forces.

    “For the Obama Administration to deny a flyover for the first time, is a slap in the face to all those who proudly serve our country especially when we are at war. These flyovers have been a special part of the ‘God and Country Rally’ for many years.

    “Will the new policy of President Obama be that a person has to surrender their faith tradition to honor and pay tribute to our courageous men and women who serve in the military?

    “With respect to the economic concerns that the Pentagon mentioned, I would answer this way. If we can pay hundreds thousands of dollars for President Obama to go on a date with his wife to see a Broadway show and have an expensive dinner in New York City, we can certainly find a way to honor our brave men and women who serve in the armed services with a simple flyover.

    “The Christian Defense Coalition will diligently work to reverse this unjust policy and determine why this flyover was denied in the first place.”

Brandi Swindell, national Christian activist and Director of Generation Life, based in Idaho, adds,

    “For the Pentagon to deny this flyover for the first time in the history of our state is deeply troubling and disturbing.

    “During a time of war and especially around the 4th of July we should be doing all within our power as a nation to honor and respect our military.

    “It must be stressed that the flyover was not to honor Christianity but to honor our fallen heroes who have proudly given their lives to protect our country and advance the cause of liberty around the world.

    “Does this mean in the future that all public rallies must be stripped of any expressions of faith to respect our military? This Administration should be protecting religious expression in the public square not crushing it.

    “I hope that President Obama will reverse this unjust policy and next year we will be allowed to give the military the honor they deserve.”

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12579

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2009, 04:08:06 AM »
Just keep up the pressure....
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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2009, 06:09:49 AM »
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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2009, 11:14:09 AM »
Just keep up the pressure....

Starting to show in his poll numbers. 

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2009, 11:38:01 AM »
Starting to show in his poll numbers. 

where do you find the correlation with this decision and Obama's poll #'s.

I suspect outside the christian community that no one knows or cares about this

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2009, 11:44:35 AM »
What?   ::)  His multitude of bad decisions are starting to show up in his poll numbers.  There is a group of lapdogs who will defend whatever The Messiah does, but the he has already started to alienate the independents and Republicans who voted for him. 

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2009, 11:52:21 AM »
What?   ::)  His multitude of bad decisions are starting to show up in his poll numbers.  There is a group of lapdogs who will defend whatever The Messiah does, but the he has already started to alienate the independents and Republicans who voted for him. 

I thought you were referring specifically to the subject of this thread.

The Pentagon made the absolute correct decision.  The govt should not be involved in any religiously sponsored event.  By doing so they would be lending tacit approval to the premise of the event.

No one is stopping anyone from having the event but the govt should not be involved

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2009, 11:56:46 AM »
The govt should not be involved in any religiously sponsored event. 

Exactly.  These religious nuts have got to stop thinking they are owed something.

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 12:18:03 PM »
I thought you were referring specifically to the subject of this thread.

The Pentagon made the absolute correct decision.  The govt should not be involved in any religiously sponsored event.  By doing so they would be lending tacit approval to the premise of the event.

No one is stopping anyone from having the event but the govt should not be involved

No.  I was making general statement about Obama's approval ratings.

There is nothing wrong with the government getting involved with an event that has religious elements.  That's not what the First Amendment was designed to prevent.  The Establishment Clause prevents government endorsement of a particular religion; it does not mandate a cleansing of religion from anything related to the government.  That's why we have National Prayer Days, both locally and nationally, paid Congressional chaplains, military chaplains, state holidays that have religious elements, etc. 

Dumb decision by Obama.   

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2009, 03:55:29 PM »
No.  I was making general statement about Obama's approval ratings.

There is nothing wrong with the government getting involved with an event that has religious elements.  That's not what the First Amendment was designed to prevent.  The Establishment Clause prevents government endorsement of a particular religion; it does not mandate a cleansing of religion from anything related to the government.  That's why we have National Prayer Days, both locally and nationally, paid Congressional chaplains, military chaplains, state holidays that have religious elements, etc. 

Dumb decision by Obama.   

Like I said previously:

The Pentagon made the absolute correct decision.  The govt should not be involved in any religiously sponsored event.  By doing so they would be lending tacit approval to the premise of the event.

We should never have a National Prayer day either but it's politically unsavory to rescind it and no one needs that battle right now

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2009, 04:05:18 PM »
Who cares if the government lends "tacit approval" to an event that mentions God?  The First Amendment isn't about protecting the delicate sensibilities of anti-religious extremists.  That's the kind of nonsense that keeps people like the "Rev" Barry Lynn in business (challenging crosses that have been in place for decades, etc.).

If the federal government can keep a chaplain on the Senate payroll and have him give prayers to open each session, it can certainly fly an airplane over an event like this.     

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2009, 04:06:15 PM »
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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2009, 05:52:35 PM »
Who cares if the government lends "tacit approval" to an event that mentions God?  The First Amendment isn't about protecting the delicate sensibilities of anti-religious extremists.  That's the kind of nonsense that keeps people like the "Rev" Barry Lynn in business (challenging crosses that have been in place for decades, etc.).

If the federal government can keep a chaplain on the Senate payroll and have him give prayers to open each session, it can certainly fly an airplane over an event like this.     

I wouldn't expect you to understand nuance but there is a difference.  I won't waste any more time trying to explain it to you again.

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2009, 05:53:36 PM »
I agree.  "So What?"

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2009, 05:58:48 PM »
I wouldn't expect you to understand nuance but there is a difference.  I won't waste any more time trying to explain it to you again.

Oh I'm crushed.  lol. . . .

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2009, 05:08:59 PM »
Exactly.  These religious nuts have got to stop thinking they are owed something.

As opposed to the godless nuts like you, who think any mention of God is some gross violation of the Constitution.

That rally has had the flyover done for 42 years (that means it was done during Democratic and Republican presidencies). There was no court ruling claiming such was unconstitutional. So what was the problem, other than the usual spineless PC crap, we've come to expect from this administration?

I thought you were referring specifically to the subject of this thread.

The Pentagon made the absolute correct decision.  The govt should not be involved in any religiously sponsored event.  By doing so they would be lending tacit approval to the premise of the event.


AND!!?

The Pentagon had been doing it for 42 years. What "epiphany" hit them that told them that the flyover, all of a sudden, was so wrong?

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2009, 06:26:28 PM »
Just because it's religious doesn't mean there can't be a flyover.  They flyover football games for fuck sake.  This is a large event where many Americans attend.  I don't see the big deal.  I'm all for the separation of church and state but this can't be the issue here.  There's no significant bonding of church and state by flying over an event just because God is in the title.

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2009, 08:11:15 PM »
They flyover football games for fuck sake. 


yea but when millions and millions of people are watching on t.v. it makes a great recruitment tool





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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2009, 10:59:33 PM »

yea but when millions and millions of people are watching on t.v. it makes a great recruitment tool





I don't think they usually show the flyover on tv. 

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2009, 11:03:27 PM »
I don't think they usually show the flyover on tv. 

at the super bowl?

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2009, 11:11:57 PM »
at the super bowl?
They do flyovers for other games and I don't think they show them on TV.  I've been to monday night games that had a flyover.

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2009, 11:16:37 PM »
They do flyovers for other games and I don't think they show them on TV.  I've been to monday night games that had a flyover.

they show them all of the time in big games especially in college, ive seen a few stealth bombers during flyovers also

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2009, 11:18:52 PM »
they show them all of the time in big games especially in college, ive seen a few stealth bombers during flyovers also
maybe I'm wrong.  But is that the criteria for a flyover?  Must have audience of millions?

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2009, 11:33:59 PM »
maybe I'm wrong.  But is that the criteria for a flyover?  Must have audience of millions?

i doubt thats the only criteria but its certainly a plus when you call up the pentagon

most of these corporations, nfl,nascar,ncaa etc are already sponsored by them

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Re: No Flyover of Patriotic ‘God and Country Rally’ After 40 Years
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2009, 12:47:35 AM »
We had a flyover at a local cemetery on Memorial Day.  We're very close to Wright-Patt though...
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