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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2009, 05:55:04 PM »


just look at the motivation levels of french youth
STFU, what are the motivation levels of the American youth, Moosejay ?

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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2009, 05:55:41 PM »
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The insurance company would explain to them that the million is for you, and it is yearly, but is, ahem, “fixable.” They will say “as long as she is on your insurance (wink, wink) this charge will be there. So what you have to ask yourself (more wink, wink) is whether this employee is worth a million dollar a year salary on top of what you are already paying her.”"

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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2009, 06:15:34 PM »
boo hoo, the rich get taxed a little more, guess what they will still be rich so what difference does it fucking make...

'sorry little tiffany that damn obama is going to tax us more so there wont be a mercedes for your bday this year, your going to have to settle for a BMW'

cry me a fucking river.

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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2009, 08:29:34 PM »
LOL...really?  The rich will be rich if you tax them at 1% or 50%.  They are people driven to succeed.  Seriously, as a Matt Canning impersonator you are doing a piss poor job.

Do you believe that they should be penalized for having that drive to succeed?
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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2009, 08:31:30 PM »
tax soda and potato chips make QO pay for everybodys health insurance

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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2009, 09:45:05 PM »
Great policy.  Tax the the motivated successful people, give to the lazy. ;D
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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2009, 09:53:04 PM »
LOL...really?  The rich will be rich if you tax them at 1% or 50%.  They are people driven to succeed.  Seriously, as a Matt Canning impersonator you are doing a piss poor job.

You're oversimplifying a very complex issue.  If you tax the rich 1% more or 50% more it's money which will directly reduce the quality of whatever it is that money is currently being put towards.  If the owner of an auto dealership loses 1% of his profit, it will make his business that much less efficient.  In the grand scheme of thing, the very best case scenario is a mere wealth redistribution.  In reality, those losing money by paying more in tax will operate more less efficiently by an even greater percentage than what they lose in extra income tax.
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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2009, 11:06:12 PM »
Our health insurance policies went up 20% just in July.  20%!!!!  We were told because of the cost of medicial, doctors, etc.   It is all crap.  After the mortgage, the cost of health insurance is the second higher cost for many families, unless their job pays for it.

The USA is already going to have a 1.8 trillion dollar deficit, just this year alone.  Unreal.  If they pass health insurance reform, everyone who works will suffer.  Force small business to pay crazy amounts - not the answer.

What happens when the business goes bankrupt - as we see every week now. Who pays for these people's health insurance.  Why work?

A friend of mine told me just yesterday that her friend doesnt want to work, so she got pregnant again .... gets money from the state, free medical from the job, why not...

People dont get it.   The abuse of the system is going to be more rampant than ever before, and the taxes will be much more than 4% surcharge.


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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2009, 11:28:22 PM »
Brilliant.  Everyone is going to suffer. 

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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2009, 05:30:50 AM »
Our health insurance policies went up 20% just in July.  20%!!!!  We were told because of the cost of medicial, doctors, etc.   It is all crap.  After the mortgage, the cost of health insurance is the second higher cost for many families, unless their job pays for it.

The USA is already going to have a 1.8 trillion dollar deficit, just this year alone.  Unreal.  If they pass health insurance reform, everyone who works will suffer.  Force small business to pay crazy amounts - not the answer.

What happens when the business goes bankrupt - as we see every week now. Who pays for these people's health insurance.  Why work?

A friend of mine told me just yesterday that her friend doesnt want to work, so she got pregnant again .... gets money from the state, free medical from the job, why not...

People dont get it.   The abuse of the system is going to be more rampant than ever before, and the taxes will be much more than 4% surcharge.



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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2009, 07:26:25 AM »
whether you pay for it in taxes or pay cash to your doctor you end up paying regardless

why is taxation so unpalatable  ???

I'm going to assume you are asking for a serious answer.

Most of this clusterfuck is the direct result of democrat incompetence and politics as usual. You'll never have affordable universal health insurance without tort reform, which Al Gore cast the deciding vote against.

1% of Americans already pay 39% of taxes. This (health care) is not a tax problem.

I'll go a step further and argue that there aren't ten programs the Govt. efficiently runs. Nationalizing healthcare without having an infrastructure (that works efficiently and pays in a timely manner) will only lead to waste. No one can afford to keep their office open while waiting for Medicare/Medicaid to reimburse without private insurance and co-pays. Unless people are surgeons, do a lot of DME or pain management procedures .... Medicare/Medicaid office visits are essentially charity unless doctors overbook.

IMO, the only way to successfully nationalize healthcare is: return it the community level, Tort reform and debt management. Have doctors obligated to x amount (E.g. 10) hours/week at community centers in exchange for repayment of their student loans with the cases malpractice covered by the govt.

The doctors shouldn't be compensated in any other manner because the Govt is incapable of paying actual claims on time. The Govt can manage a monthly electronic payment or check for a fixed amount. They should be free to work private insurance or fee for service elsewhere.

People who believe nationalizing healthcare is simply a matter of further taxing the rich do not understand that delivering healthcare has real costs. Only someone either already rich or seriously capitalized could possibly afford to run any business based upon the Govt's payment system. Overhead (insurances, rent, utilities, worker's Comp., salaries, 401k, paper, computers, billing, etc..) eats up 50-65% of the typical office's cashflow. That's the logic behind my argument that it must be returned to the community level.

It's more a case of ignorance than stupidity. People really believe all doctors are rich and that their co-pay goes to buy jewelery, McDonalds for their kids or a car payment. People also believe every dime paid by their insurance company is profit. Only about $41 of a $100 bill ends up being pre-tax income.

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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2009, 07:58:08 AM »
you have to pay for health care somehow

better to tax everyone than have people go without

Another hs drop out chipes in.   All that is going to happen is that taxes are going to go up and quality of health care is going go down. 

This is going to bo nothing more than the dmv, welfare office, etc.   

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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2009, 08:42:09 AM »
Ron & drkaje, great points.

When we are talking about "the rich" the administration has defined that as families making more then $250K.  That is not rich.  That is upper middle class in many areas.  Plus, its not their burden to pay for everyone's healthcare in the country.  If there is a national plan, everyone should contribute, then everyone has skin in the game as far as taxation.

There are anywhere between 11 and 18million illegal immigrants in this country, we shouldn't have to pay for them.

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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2009, 09:13:37 AM »
I fail to see why people still buy into this classwarfare crap. It's always the rich this and the rich that, it's typical poitical BS pit one segment of the population against the other. We have already established why the rich are rich. Why are the poor, poor? Could it be because they have no ambition? Could it be because finishing high school was just getting in the way of the party? Sorry but if you don't even bother to make the effort why should everyone else have to pick up your slack? When I got out of hight school I didn't really have any direction, after a couple years of working dead end jobs, I said fuck that, got my shit back together worked a full time job and went to college. I didn't expect a handout, I made the choice to be stuck having to work shity jobs because I didn't have the skills to get a better one.

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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2009, 10:25:13 AM »
Ron & drkaje, great points.

When we are talking about "the rich" the administration has defined that as families making more then $250K.  That is not rich.  That is upper middle class in many areas.  Plus, its not their burden to pay for everyone's healthcare in the country.  If there is a national plan, everyone should contribute, then everyone has skin in the game as far as taxation.

There are anywhere between 11 and 18million illegal immigrants in this country, we shouldn't have to pay for them.

The 'class warfare' concept works because people are lazy.

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Re: House Dems to Tax Rich To Pay for health Care
« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2009, 12:19:57 PM »
You're oversimplifying a very complex issue.  If you tax the rich 1% more or 50% more it's money which will directly reduce the quality of whatever it is that money is currently being put towards.  If the owner of an auto dealership loses 1% of his profit, it will make his business that much less efficient.  In the grand scheme of thing, the very best case scenario is a mere wealth redistribution.  In reality, those losing money by paying more in tax will operate more less efficiently by an even greater percentage than what they lose in extra income tax.

I have a friend, his parents make a good amount of dime but the mother turned down a new position because her pay increase would push them straight up into a higher bracket. It wouldn't be worth it to them for her to do that so she stayed in the current position.