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Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« on: July 11, 2009, 10:09:10 AM »
Note that one them is now apparently a former lesbian. 

Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
Judge rules couple's 'agreement' to split custody violates parental rights
Posted: July 11, 2009
12:45 am Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A district court judge ruled against a lesbian woman seeking to attain legal standing as the mother of her former lover's child and, in the process, struck a blow for parental rights.

In 2006, Gena-Louise Edvalson entered into a "contract" with her lover, Jana Dickson, to co-parent her partner's newborn son. But after the relationship ended, Edvalson sued Dickson, who is now married to a man, demanding the mother honor the contract and grant her former partner parental standing in the boy's life.

Judge Leon Anthony Dever of Utah's Third District Court, however, voided the contract and dismissed the lawsuit, arguing "parents retain the fundamental right to exercise the primary control over the care and supervision of their children."

Frank D. Mylar, an attorney
teamed with the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal alliance defending religious liberty, sanctity of life, marriage and the family, represented Dickson and her 2-year-old boy.

"The fundamental rights of parents to raise children the way they see fit should not be threatened by the wishes and desires of a legal stranger," said Mylar in a statement. "The court correctly ruled that this little boy's right to his mother under state law is of far greater value than the wishes of someone who has no legal relationship to the child."

The judge's ruling came in spite of the "parenting plan" for co-guardianship that the two women had signed.

Mylar told WND the court's ruling on the contract causes the case to transcend from simply a dispute between a former lesbian and her ex-partner to a victory for constitutional parental rights.

"This case involved a private agreement that Edvalson would be elevated to the level of a parent," Mylar said. "But there are adoption, marriage, divorce and paternity laws that govern who has parental status. For someone just to say, 'I'm going to decide you're a parent, and that gives you constitutional rights over my child,' offends public policy."

Judge Dever used the same language in the decision, writing
, "The Utah Supreme Court has held that contracts that offend public policy are void. ... Therefore, while people are generally free to bind themselves to any contract, those contracts which are contrary to public policy are illegal."

Mylar explained, "There has always been a legal concept that certain contracts are illegal and void, where no court will be party to enforcing such an agreement. If a person had a contract, for example, to conduct illegal activity, the contract is void. He or she shouldn't be held to it.

"Since both Utah law and the U.S. Constitution clearly protect the rights of parents to raise their children as they see fit," Mylar told WND, "it stands that you can't just 'bargain away' those constitutionally protected parental rights, because to be able to do so is not in the best interest of the child."

In dismissing the lawsuit, the court ruled state public policy designed to protect the best interests of children trumps any such "agreements" that people make, especially when there are no allegations of abuse or neglect.

"A parent's fundamental right and responsibility to raise and care for her child cannot be bargained away or lost through contract," Mylar said in a statement. "A parent has a constitutional right, supported by Utah public policy, to determine what is best for her child as time and circumstances dictate."

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2009, 08:44:00 AM »
I thought homosexuality was permanent, you know, "Once gay, always gay".

Once again, we see another lesbian relationship go south, only to have at least one "prodigal" daughter come home (as it were).

As for the parental rights thing, these things tend to flare up a lot with women, the most famous of which is the Miller v. Jenkins case.

But, the pattern seems to be that when the lesbian thing goes awry, it's the biological mom that leave the homosexual lifestyle, as is the case here (with the mom and her HUSBAND).

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2009, 08:49:02 AM »
Note that one them is now apparently a former lesbian. 

Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
Judge rules couple's 'agreement' to split custody violates parental rights
Posted: July 11, 2009
12:45 am Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A district court judge ruled against a lesbian woman seeking to attain legal standing as the mother of her former lover's child and, in the process, struck a blow for parental rights.



great..chenys daughter cant be a mum! ;D
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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2009, 10:15:10 AM »
The editors at WND must think their readers are morons.

Why else would they make a patenly false statement in the title

The ruling didn't say lesbians can't be parents. 

The ruling was about parental rights and not sexual identity

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2009, 11:09:56 AM »
great..chenys daughter cant be a mum! ;D
you really have a thing for bush/cheney dont you protein...you cant seem to make a comment without justifying others ignorant actions with bush/cheneys or their family...MSNBC and olbeirman have done a good job with you  ::)

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2009, 11:20:32 AM »
you really have a thing for bush/cheney dont you protein...you cant seem to make a comment without justifying others ignorant actions with bush/cheneys or their family...MSNBC and olbeirman have done a good job with you  ::)

hey i figure you bush wackers endured uber idiocy under bush...for 8 yrs willfully still suckling at his cock

so obama should be no great biggie...

a man that has endured a gunshot wound would find a little pin prick no biggie right?

orrr did the standard now all of a sudden change since he is black?

either way...this is a democracy...the majority won!   ;D
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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2009, 11:57:09 AM »
hey i figure you bush wackers endured uber idiocy under bush...for 8 yrs willfully still suckling at his cock

so obama should be no great biggie...

a man that has endured a gunshot wound would find a little pin prick no biggie right?

orrr did the standard now all of a sudden change since he is black?

either way...this is a democracy...the majority won!   ;D
hahah first off hoss ive complained many a time about bush...

second you dont see the irony in you complaining and bitching about bush/cheney like a little sullen child and then willfully bending over and taking it up the ass from obama and smiling about it?

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 12:22:36 PM »


second you dont see the irony in you complaining and bitching about bush/cheney like a little sullen child and then willfully bending over and taking it up the ass from obama and smiling about it?

osama technically could fling feces from his desk at the white house and he STILL would not be responsible for spending tillions on a war that got thousands of Americans dead..the economy to shit

and osama still alive  :-*
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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2009, 12:52:31 PM »
osama technically could fling feces from his desk at the white house and he STILL would not be responsible for spending tillions on a war that got thousands of Americans dead..the economy to shit

and osama still alive  :-*
WOW again your ignorance shows through, ive said many many many times Iraq was a mistake...

right right right that whole housing situation had nothing to do with the economy right? who was pres when that got passed? hmmm you see dipshit problems are multi faceted and idiots such as yourself and 240 like to try and make them all about one person

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2009, 01:02:27 PM »

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WOW again your ignorance shows through, ive said many many many times Iraq was a mistake...
  WOw and haahaa..i give this a "need new material"

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right right right that whole housing situation had nothing to do with the economy right? who was pres when that got passed?

sooo the economy went to shit in the last 130ish days cause of the "housing situation" NOt because of the past 7 yrs 4 months where bush has been fucking up??


lol riiiight
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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2009, 01:06:31 PM »
  WOw and haahaa..i give this a "need new material"
 
sooo the economy went to shit in the last 130ish days cause of the "housing situation" NOt because of the past 7 yrs 4 months where bush has been fucking up??


lol riiiight
did you go to college protein, i ask not to be an ass but seriously your lack of comprehension skills and analytical skills is sub par bro...I didnt say it was soley b/c of the housing situation I said that it WASNT SOLEY B/C OF THE WAR which is what you imply...

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2009, 01:08:21 PM »
did you go to college protein, i ask not to be an ass but seriously your lack of comprehension skills and analytical skills is sub par bro...I didnt say it was soley b/c of the housing situation I said that it WASNT SOLEY B/C OF THE WAR which is what you imply...

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2009, 01:42:16 PM »
I thought homosexuality was permanent, you know, "Once gay, always gay".

Once again, we see another lesbian relationship go south, only to have at least one "prodigal" daughter come home (as it were).

As for the parental rights thing, these things tend to flare up a lot with women, the most famous of which is the Miller v. Jenkins case.

But, the pattern seems to be that when the lesbian thing goes awry, it's the biological mom that leave the homosexual lifestyle, as is the case here (with the mom and her HUSBAND).

Yep.  This kind of stuff does nothing but create confusion.  Feel sorry for the kids involved. 

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2009, 03:09:57 PM »
Yep.  This kind of stuff does nothing but create confusion.  Feel sorry for the kids involved. 

Well, you have guys like Ted Haggard and Larry Craig, who seem to have a rather casual relationship with the concept of heterosexuality, so why wouldn't the same thing occur for gays?

 At its heart, this case is not really that different from any other custody case. Yes, the kid in this case is in a pitiable position (if he was even aware of what was happening), but the same goes for most  kids from broken homes.

 I don't think any blows for parental rights were struck here. If the two female parties had gone through with a legal adoption, then the left-behind lesbian would have retained parental rights. That contract never had a chance of standing up in a  court of law. I don't think too many people, gay or straight, would be foolish enough to believe that type of contract had any validity.

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2009, 03:21:40 PM »
Yep.  This kind of stuff does nothing but create confusion.  Feel sorry for the kids involved. 

acrimonious divorces are hard on the kids regardless of the sexuality of the parent.

in fact, since 99.99% of divorces are of heterosexual couples they are doing far more harm to children than gay couples (or formerly gay or bi or whatever people like Ted Haggard are)

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2009, 03:25:18 PM »
Well, you have guys like Ted Haggard and Larry Craig, who seem to have a rather casual relationship with the concept of heterosexuality, so why wouldn't the same thing occur for gays?

 At its heart, this case is not really that different from any other custody case. Yes, the kid in this case is in a pitiable position (if he was even aware of what was happening), but the same goes for most  kids from broken homes.

 I don't think any blows for parental rights were struck here. If the two female parties had gone through with a legal adoption, then the left-behind lesbian would have retained parental rights. That contract never had a chance of standing up in a  court of law. I don't think too many people, gay or straight, would be foolish enough to believe that type of contract had any validity.

Haggard and Craig are/were closet homosexuals.  But given that neither was involved in a custody dispute, their situations aren't relevant to this story.  

As McWay pointed out, this story cuts directly against the "once gay, always gay" argument.      

The confusing and unfortunate part for the kids is you have a woman who likely started off heterosexual, chose to become a lesbian, and is now heterosexual again.  Terrible situation for the kids.  Custody fights are bad enough without having to deal with this type of confusion.  

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2009, 03:29:43 PM »
Haggard and Craig are/were closet homosexuals.  But given that neither was involved in a custody dispute, their situations aren't relevant to this story.  

As McWay pointed out, this story cuts directly against the "once gay, always gay" argument.      

The confusing and unfortunate part for the kids is you have a woman who likely started off heterosexual, chose to become a lesbian, and is now heterosexual again.  Terrible situation for the kids.  Custody fights are bad enough without having to deal with this type of confusion.  

yeah I'm sure Ted Haggards kids are not suffering at all from their father public humiliation and self professed confusion over his sexuality.  I'm sure their adolescent and teenaged peers are quite understanding.   I'm sure the 2 year old boy in the subject story is having a much worse time with his peers.  ::)

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2009, 03:31:45 PM »
i went to university of maryland at 15
i grad high school with an O levels from cambridge and A levels partially done
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hahahah nooooo, if this is true you need to go back brother you seem to be unable to comprehend what im saying and all you seem to hear is blah blah blah i love bush blah blah which is not what im saying in the least.

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2009, 04:00:34 PM »

Haggard and Craig are/were closet homosexuals.  But given that neither was involved in a custody dispute, their situations aren't relevant to this story. 

As McWay pointed out, this story cuts directly against the "once gay, always gay" argument.     

The confusing and unfortunate part for the kids is you have a woman who likely started off heterosexual, chose to become a lesbian, and is now heterosexual again.  Terrible situation for the kids.  Custody fights are bad enough without having to deal with this type of confusion. 


How so? Because she's involved in a heterosexual relationship now? Two years from now, she may change her mind once again. She's already done it at least once.

Custody fights are tough. When parents cheat, it's tough on the kids. When new partners come into the picture, it's tough on the kids. Unfortunately, that's just how it goes. You seem to be tacitly suggesting there's some type of remedy to this type of confusion.

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2009, 04:13:40 PM »
How so? Because she's involved in a heterosexual relationship now? Two years from now, she may change her mind once again. She's already done it at least once.

Custody fights are tough. When parents cheat, it's tough on the kids. When new partners come into the picture, it's tough on the kids. Unfortunately, that's just how it goes. You seem to be tacitly suggesting there's some type of remedy to this type of confusion.

It's a terrible situation for the kids because it's very confusing for them to have a parent who keeps choosing to change her sexual identity. 

I didn't tacitly suggest any type of remedy. 

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2009, 04:18:34 PM »
It's a terrible situation for the kids because it's very confusing for them to have a parent who keeps choosing to change her sexual identity. 

I didn't tacitly suggest any type of remedy. 

The kid in question is 2 years old I doubt he has any confusion about his parents sexual identity

Haggards kids appears to be adolescents and teenagers

Who do you think is having a harder time, especially given the environment they were raised in which undoubtly taught them that being gay is evil, how it's a choice, etc....



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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2009, 04:23:27 PM »
I do not care about Ted Haggard and he has nothing to do with this story. 

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2009, 04:41:00 PM »
I do not care about Ted Haggard and he has nothing to do with this story. 

Why do you care so much about the 2/y.o and not at all about Haggard's kids? Do you know the two lesbians in the story?

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2009, 04:45:10 PM »
I do not care about Ted Haggard and he has nothing to do with this story

it's relevent to the discussion because of your comment/concerns about the confusion you think the 2 year old child is suffering as if he somehow understands the sexuality of his parents.

If anything, you should be MUCH more concerned about Haggards kids than this kid in the story

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Re: Contract or not, lesbian can't be 'mommy'
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2009, 04:47:01 PM »
Doesn't really seem like sexuality was an issue in the judgement.