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Lord Carter wants Europe to have universal broadband by 2013
Exclusive: Lord Carter of Barnes has called for all Europeans to have universal access to wired and wireless broadband by 2013.

 

Published: 5:49PM BST 09 Jul 2009

The Digital Britain report was published by the government last month and compiled by Lord Carter of Barnes.
In a jointly authored piece with Viviane Reding, the EU Commissioner for Technology and Broadcasting, exclusively published by The Telegraph, the UK Minister for Communications, Technology and Broadcasting has pinned his hopes for European economic recovery to the digital industries.
After publishing last month’s Digital Britain report, in which Lord Carter proposed a new landline tax to fund universal broadband, a crackdown on internet piracy and a 2015 digital radio switch-over date, the MP and the EU Commissioner are together looking beyond the UK to create a digital Europe.
 

“Firstly, we must ensure that Europe has a world class digital infrastructure, wired and wireless. We should set a goal for Europe to have high performing fixed and wireless broadband infrastructures which reach all Europeans by 2013.
“And to deliver on that wireless goal, across the EU we need to push ahead faster on the switchover from analogue to digital TV to release the necessary spectrum for new and emerging pan European wireless services.”
They added: “The incremental value of this spectrum for wireless broadband across the EU is estimated to be between €150 and €200 billion. Every corner of Europe can reap this "digital dividend", without costing the taxpayer a penny – if all EU governments act now.”
Lord Carter and Mr Reding have jointly called for a new debate on the inclusion of broadband internet into “universal service rules” to be placed high on the common EU agenda and urged immediate action to prevent a future digital divide.
“As we move towards a new European Commission mandate in the weeks to come, Europe is poised to sow the seeds of economic recovery. The time to act is now,” they said.

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Interesting contradiction in the article.  In the beginning it mentions a tax, at the end it says it won't cost the taxpayer.

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well i suppose it was only a matter of time...I do wonder how we're supposed to pay for this all, it will be one tax, then another...the other problem is that everyone will probably be monitored now which i really dont like.

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well i suppose it was only a matter of time...I do wonder how we're supposed to pay for this all, it will be one tax, then another...the other problem is that everyone will probably be monitored now which i really dont like.

That'll be the underlining architecture; monitoring of EU citizens.

I'd rather have 56k then have big brother monitor everything I do. Unfortunately the only option I imagine will be to go through the government.
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Lord Carter wants Europe to have universal broadband by 2013


wont happen till Europe actually moves to IP v6...which ws supposed to happen in the US govt by 2010 but from what i see..not even 10% have migrated over yet...

Japan is the only country in the world fully ip v6 compliant..i believe
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well i suppose it was only a matter of time...I do wonder how we're supposed to pay for this all, it will be one tax, then another...the other problem is that everyone will probably be monitored now which i really dont like.

Broadband runs off your regular ole coax cable...if ya got cable...another signal can be multiplexed in..

hence the name "broadband"  ..multiple signals on the same wire...

the underlying infrastructure is prolly already there
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Broadband runs off your regular ole coax cable...if ya got cable...another signal can be multiplexed in..

hence the name "broadband"  ..multiple signals on the same wire...

the underlying infrastructure is prolly already there

Don`t tell them that and ruin their conspiracy theories.  Let them panic for a while.  ;D

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Don`t tell them that and ruin their conspiracy theories.  Let them panic for a while.  ;D

lol...

i'm a conspiracy nut myself...but ...

on a side note...Country wise wireless "should not" happen...not saying will not...

wireless is NOT secure...and hard to control...a friend of mine did the univ of maryland campus wireless job and they had soo many friggin problems cause so many professors had tiny tit little access points under their desks and all the hosts kept connecting to those instead of the real ones..cause on some floors the tiny tit access point beacon ws stronger

we had to track down so many and plain rip em off the walls leaving a note for the professors "these r NOT allowed"

in short...wireless country wide is insecure at best...

i teach wireless and i HATE teaching it...everylittle tiny tit that comes to class with a home network set up wants to play "lets stump the instructor"  :-\
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Don`t tell them that and ruin their conspiracy theories.  Let them panic for a while.  ;D

Read your own article, there is to be a tax imposed to curb and pay for shared media over the internet. This is a big privacy issue. Everyone will be taxed to subsidise the media monopolies. Do YOU support monopolies? Are you in favour of supporting policies that decrease civil liberties?

The reason why cable is so hard to set-up as an infrastructure is the last mile. The last mile from the local exchange to the households will cost a lot of money. Wireless, albeit having security issues as Toxic said is quite more efficient to set-up.
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Read your own article, there is to be a tax imposed to curb and pay for shared media over the internet. This is a big privacy issue. Everyone will be taxed to subsidise the media monopolies. Do YOU support monopolies? Are you in favour of supporting policies that decrease civil liberties?

The reason why cable is so hard to set-up as an infrastructure is the last mile. The last mile from the local exchange to the households will cost a lot of money. Wireless, albeit having security issues as Toxic said is quite more efficient to set-up.
Yes because government funded road building, to use an example, is such a travesty.  ::)

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Yes because government funded road building, to use an example, is such a travesty.  ::)

well Nord has a point...govt funded roads r one thing...roads need to be rebuilt...and taxes r paid yearly...cause roads degrade yearly...

fiber properly laid..or coax cable properly laid will last decades...unless there is an earthquake...

so a 1 time fee is acceptable...an yearly tax..well..does it go to folks mantaining the software side of this?

i dunno...but when ip v6 hits...you'll be able to log into your toaster oven at home and heat up food...or log into specific parts of your fridge and cook food while other parts remain cold..

in short..i dont wanna pay 5 cents everytime i log into my putter remotely
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I am completely opposed to any sort of government mandate directed towards wireless internet.  Wireless has been shown to be utterly defenseless against attacks, etc.  I'm also not in favor of being charged by the goverment for the building of the infrastructure.  I'd prefer to let the companies handle that in their own time. 

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Yes because government funded road building, to use an example, is such a travesty.  ::)

are you THAT stupid to think your anology works and that monitoring Internet access and taxing use to pay for monopolistic media enterprises can be directly compared to road infrastructure?
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are you THAT stupid to think your anology works and that monitoring Internet access and taxing use to pay for monopolistic media enterprises can be directly compared to road infrastructure?
You are making a baseless claim by making the leap in logic of "monitoring".  Nobody is saying that private IP`s have to go away and that consumers cannot choose them.  This is just providing a base level for EVERYONE to have the greatest Socialist Invention ever, the internet.  If someone wants to go with a private IP, then they will be free to do so.

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You are making a baseless claim by making the leap in logic of "monitoring".  Nobody is saying that private IP`s have to go away and that consumers cannot choose them.  This is just providing a base level for EVERYONE to have the greatest Socialist Invention ever, the internet.  If someone wants to go with a private IP, then they will be free to do so.

Well, you can trust the governments 100% if you wish. Sadly "private" dynamic IP's are quite possible to trace given enough to go from. Could you define a private IP for me?
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Well, you can trust the governments 100% if you wish. Sadly "private" dynamic IP's are quite possible to trace given enough to go from. Could you define a private IP for me?
Sorry, I meant ISP, Internet Service Provider.

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Adonis, even going with a private ISP is going to be trouble. 

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Adonis, even going with a private ISP is going to be trouble. 
Uh, how do you get your intertubes right now?


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Sorry, I meant ISP, Internet Service Provider.

Huh? How does that change the situation? Currently almost everyone subscribes via a private ISP; yet the tracking, geographically and otherwise are all still very possible. I'm pretty sure the "internet tax" is a full sweeping law including private and public companies providing internet access; if it's not, please provide the evidence showing otherwise.
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Huh? How does that change the situation? Currently almost everyone subscribes via a private ISP; yet the tracking, geographically and otherwise are all still very possible. I'm pretty sure the "internet tax" is a full sweeping law including private and public companies providing internet access; if it's not, please provide the evidence showing otherwise.
Change what situation?  How about you provide the evidence of what you "think" the "tax" is.

Also, if we are talking the United States, cutting the military budget and closing world bases would be a simple way to pay for it. 

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Change what situation?  How about you provide the evidence of what you "think" the "tax" is.

Also, if we are talking the United States, cutting the military budget and closing world bases would be a simple way to pay for it. 

Stop being an intellectual coward; this is your thread, provide some substance, the precedent sits on your shoulders.

The situation being the ability to track internet users.

Look at this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7178340.stm

France's premise for the tax is to subsidise TV.

Also: http://www.computeractive.co.uk/computeractive/news/2235481/proposal-internet-tax-illegal

The premise her to subsidise the failing business model of the monopolistic media corporations.

More reading on the surveillance culture of the EU: http://www.rss4gadgets.co.uk/2009/06/29/internet-surveillance-and-filters-are-a-reality-for-europe-too/
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Stop being an intellectual coward; this is your thread, provide some substance, the precedent sits on your shoulders.

The situation being the ability to track internet users.

Look at this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7178340.stm

France's premise for the tax is to subsidise TV.

Also: http://www.computeractive.co.uk/computeractive/news/2235481/proposal-internet-tax-illegal

The premise her to subsidise the failing business model of the monopolistic media corporations.

More reading on the surveillance culture of the EU: http://www.rss4gadgets.co.uk/2009/06/29/internet-surveillance-and-filters-are-a-reality-for-europe-too/
And in the United States we have the Patriot Act. What is your point?  I don`t support any monitoring of any kind. 

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And in the United States we have the Patriot Act. What is your point?  I don`t support any monitoring of any kind. 

What is my point? Forget it... What is YOUR point of posting the article? ::)
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Well, you can trust the governments 100% if you wish. Sadly "private" dynamic IP's are quite possible to trace given enough to go from. Could you define a private IP for me?

yes siree bob!  if you r a fed..just contact these folks



http://www.iana.org/

private IPs....RFC (request for comments) 1918..the original IEEE doc

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1918.html

PS..private IPs r NOt routable over the internet...

if u try..lets say u r a dumbass network engineer at company abc...first u get a warning...then u get a fine!  ;D
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