which leads into another question, that first pic is from this past weekend......that pic of hopstaken must have been taken at least 12-15 years ago.............both of them are/were nowhere near first teir bodybuilders, we'll call them 'journeymen' bodybuilders to be polite...........but look at the conditioning of hopstaken 15 years ago compared to the guys on that stage yesterday,........not even a comparison, he smokes them all.........makes them look like bloated watery fucks.................wh at did they have back then, or what did we lose, or add that is responsible for the often very watery bloated bodybuilders of today compared to the 90s???