Author Topic: Rickson Gracie: ‘It would take me longer to submit Fedor than it would [Brock] (Read 5919 times)

MB_722 · « **on:** July 14, 2009, 04:54:30 PM »

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July 14, 2009

Fifty year old eighth degree Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt Rickson Gracie has seen his fair share of controversy following his last professional fight in May of 2000.

The mythical submission specialist has claimed to possess a fighting record somewhere in the range of 400-0.

Rickson caught quite a bit of backlash following comments made to Tokyo Sports in which he stated that heavyweight king Fedor Emelianenko had “so-so” technical ability.

The native of Brazil recently revealed to The Rio de Janeiro Times that he feels confident that he would come out on top of a match-up between himself and Brock Lesnar or Fedor, regardless of his age or nine year layoff.

However, Rickson does admit that it would likely take him a little bit longer to submit “The Last Emperor”.

“[Brock Lesnar] is impressive as an athlete, but he has holes in his game like anybody else,” said Gracie. “Technically, he is not as good as Fedor.

“It would take me longer to submit Fedor than it would him

“I am not worried about his abilities. Whether he punches at me on the ground or standing, it is only a matter of time. In some ways, it is easier if he tries to punch at me standing. All the simpler to take him down. It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless”

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/07/14/rickson-gracie-it-would-take-me-longer-to-submit-fedor-than-it-would-brock-lesnar/

MindSpin · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:12:53 PM »

oh brother

MB_722 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:20:33 PM »

Quote from: MindSpin on July 14, 2009, 05:12:53 PM

oh brother

JOCKTHEGLIDE · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2009, 06:27:04 PM »

Quote from: MindSpin on July 14, 2009, 05:12:53 PM

oh brother

are you jelous he belongs to getbig and your a mod to takes phone calls

Captain Equipoise · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2009, 06:39:47 PM »

rickson is the most delusional gracie ever.... what a fucked up family.

MB_722 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2009, 06:55:15 PM »

other than rickson being crazy, only thing you can take from this is brock has some major weaknesses and fedor is a sound fighter

gmflex · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2009, 07:25:11 PM »

Quote from: MindSpin on July 14, 2009, 05:12:53 PM

oh brother

x2

Captain Equipoise · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2009, 07:49:38 PM »

Quote from: MB_722 on July 14, 2009, 06:55:15 PM

other than rickson being crazy, only thing you can take from this is brock has some major weaknesses and fedor is a sound fighter

The best part is this supposed 400-0 record of his (by his own admission) LOL

claymore · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2009, 08:08:05 PM »

Maybe they should have a ladder match or maybe a royal rumble, fedor and brock vs all the gracies.

gracie bjj · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2009, 10:31:55 PM »

i love the gracies and all but rickson needs to chill with those type of statements, even if he can do what he says no ones gonna take him serious unless he gets in that cage and does it

Captain Equipoise · « **Reply #10 on:** July 15, 2009, 12:35:19 AM »

Quote from: gracie bjj on July 14, 2009, 10:31:55 PM

i love the gracies and all but rickson needs to chill with those type of statements, even if he can do what he says no ones gonna take him serious unless he gets in that cage and does it

rickson is smoking crack if he thinks at 50 he's got a chance against Fedor

americanbulldog · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2009, 02:57:29 AM »

Rickson by armbar.

HICKSON · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2009, 06:35:44 AM »

Rickson by PIITB

Seriously its easy for a 50 yr old to say those things now. In his prime he might have given Fedor a run but will never know so he should just STFU.

As for the hole in Brocks game.... no shit Sherlock!!! he's had 4 fights

Brock will be exploited if Carwin gets his W over Cain. I don't see Cain doing much damage Do to what Kongo did to him standing up.
But comparing Kongo's striking w/ Brock's is not what I'm refering to.

smoothasf · « **Reply #13 on:** July 15, 2009, 09:01:11 AM »

brock is a bigger stronger tito. we are in for a lot of blanket matches. he will only be beaten at the stand up

gracie bjj · « **Reply #14 on:** July 15, 2009, 11:34:33 PM »

Quote from: smoothasf on July 15, 2009, 09:01:11 AM

brock is a bigger stronger tito. we are in for a lot of blanket matches. he will only be beaten at the stand up

i was thinkin the same thing, brocks a bigger version of tito cause they fight kinda the same way. brock also reminds me of a younger,bigger,stronger and faster mark(the hammer)coleman. coleman was a beast in his day and just like brock he muscled his opponants around the cage and pounded them silly

Eric15210 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 16, 2009, 11:25:07 AM »

Brock takes bigger dumps than Rickson not being critical

I'm surprised he did not say at the same time

STARDOT · « **Reply #16 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:08:03 PM »

Brock and Fedor would go through Rickson faster than Hughes went through Royce

Captain Equipoise · « **Reply #17 on:** July 16, 2009, 03:03:22 PM »

Quote from: STARDOT on July 16, 2009, 01:08:03 PM

Brock and Fedor would go through Rickson faster than Hughes went through Royce

LOL, that's actually a great example of another delusional gracie who thought he was invincible.

ATHEIST · « **Reply #18 on:** July 16, 2009, 03:09:55 PM »

Quote from: HICKSON on July 15, 2009, 06:35:44 AM

In his prime he might have given Fedor a run but will never know so he should just STFU.

Rickson in his prime would get run over by both Fedor and Brock.

Captain Equipoise · « **Reply #19 on:** July 16, 2009, 03:17:10 PM »

RICKSON =

pellius · « **Reply #20 on:** July 17, 2009, 02:03:36 PM »

I had the pleasure and honor training at Rickson's school and taking one hour private lessons with him once a week. Of course this was in the early to mid 1990's before MMA/BJJ really took off. His school was an old warehouse next to an auto body shop on Pico Street in West LA. We had the lay the mats then fold them up again after every class.

Rickson is no joke and everything you've heard about him is true and more. He was just on a different level and would school top Black-belts. We even had someone who had just won the Mundial heavy weight championship come to the school and get tapped over and over by Rickson. With Royce it was like watching a lion with a cub. Royce would get so frustrated and angry that he would actually try to take Rickson's head off. And Rickson would just continue to play with Royce until he was spent.

Having said that I believe it is very unbecoming and inappropriate to make the comments that he continually does regarding today's fighters. Especially when he does not back it up. It's one thing to say that "In my prime I could do this and this." But to say that to this day he could beat guys like Fedor and Wandy in his prime is just bad form. A lot has changed since his day and that chin up leading stomp kick isn't going to cut it in the stand up game.

Any organization would give Rickson a title shot any time he wants it. It's just a phone call and a signature away.

noworries · « **Reply #21 on:** July 17, 2009, 03:17:20 PM »

Quote from: pellius on July 17, 2009, 02:03:36 PM

I had the pleasure and honor training at Rickson's school and taking one hour private lessons with him once a week. Of course this was in the early to mid 1990's before MMA/BJJ really took off. His school was an old warehouse next to an auto body shop on Pico Street in West LA. We had the lay the mats then fold them up again after every class.

Rickson is no joke and everything you've heard about him is true and more. He was just on a different level and would school top Black-belts. We even had someone who had just won the Mundial heavy weight championship come to the school and get tapped over and over by Rickson. With Royce it was like watching a lion with a cub. Royce would get so frustrated and angry that he would actually try to take Rickson's head off. And Rickson would just continue to play with Royce until he was spent.

Having said that I believe it is very unbecoming and inappropriate to make the comments that he continually does regarding today's fighters. Especially when he does not back it up. It's one thing to say that "In my prime I could do this and this." But to say that to this day he could beat guys like Fedor and Wandy in his prime is just bad form. A lot has changed since his day and that chin up leading stomp kick isn't going to cut it in the stand up game.

Any organization would give Rickson a title shot any time he wants it. It's just a phone call and a signature away.

What some people don't realize about Rickson and when he fought, it was mostly on the ground. GJJ was tailored for street fighting not controlled. Just like the original UFC. You could do all kinds of shit you can't now. Plus they fought 2, 3, 4 or matches in a day. NO WAY could any MMA fighter today do that. Plus, over the 15+ years the UFC has been around it has adopted the moniker "MMA". So now they have schools teaching everything from Karate to Judo to Jiu Jitsu. So the fighters of today are WAY more advanced than what they were way back when the UFC started.

To compare what Rickson could do now or back then to the guys of today doesn't work. But, GJJ sure is a MAJOR part of every fighters arsenal today. The original premise of the UFC and the Gracies (Rorian mostly) was to bring to the US GJJ. To show people that it is the best self defense out there. In a way he did that. But, nowadays you have to have the whole package.

pellius · « **Reply #22 on:** July 17, 2009, 04:18:29 PM »

Quote from: noworries on July 17, 2009, 03:17:20 PM

What some people don't realize about Rickson and when he fought, it was mostly on the ground. GJJ was tailored for street fighting not controlled. Just like the original UFC. You could do all kinds of shit you can't now. Plus they fought 2, 3, 4 or matches in a day. NO WAY could any MMA fighter today do that. Plus, over the 15+ years the UFC has been around it has adopted the moniker "MMA". So now they have schools teaching everything from Karate to Judo to Jiu Jitsu. So the fighters of today are WAY more advanced than what they were way back when the UFC started.

To compare what Rickson could do now or back then to the guys of today doesn't work. But, GJJ sure is a MAJOR part of every fighters arsenal today. The original premise of the UFC and the Gracies (Rorian mostly) was to bring to the US GJJ. To show people that it is the best self defense out there. In a way he did that. But, nowadays you have to have the whole package.

Exactly. And, as I'm sure you've notice, more and more fights are ending with strikes. It's like were coming back full circle.

IronFan · « **Reply #23 on:** July 17, 2009, 08:03:59 PM »

Wiki says Rickson is quoted in 2008 as saying he is considering a comeback if the money is right.

Could he be working on his striking to be ready if/when he makes that phone call? Or has arthritis and slowness proven to be a deal killer.

Some indications against a Rickson victory over Brock or Fedor, not even considering age:

- A good standup game can be neutralized by staying in close, if done right. See Couture vs. Gonzaga.

- A good technician cannot take strikes indefinitely. See Hughes vs. Royce, or Mir vs. Brock II.

- It seems Mir could not have done much once on the ground against Brock. What would/could Rickson do differently? Or Fedor for that matter? Just survive until the ref stands it up or the end of the round, then unload on Brock's chin the next stand up.

pellius · « **Reply #24 on:** July 18, 2009, 12:41:00 AM »

Quote from: IronFan on July 17, 2009, 08:03:59 PM

Wiki says Rickson is quoted in 2008 as saying he is considering a comeback if the money is right.

Could he be working on his striking to be ready if/when he makes that phone call? Or has arthritis and slowness proven to be a deal killer.

Some indications against a Rickson victory over Brock or Fedor, not even considering age:

- A good standup game can be neutralized by staying in close, if done right. See Couture vs. Gonzaga.

- A good technician cannot take strikes indefinitely. See Hughes vs. Royce, or Mir vs. Brock II.

- It seems Mir could not have done much once on the ground against Brock. What would/could Rickson do differently? Or Fedor for that matter? Just survive until the ref stands it up or the end of the round, then unload on Brock's chin the next stand up.

Rumors of Rickson's comeback has been circulating since his Funaki fight. And he's the one that use to say that it wasn't about money but about honor and upholding the family name.

Spending a lot time with Rickson both on and off the mat (I was able to take those one hour privates with him for two years straight) I really came to look up to him. He's a pure warrior through and through. But, and I hate to say this, he doesn't match his father, the great Helio Gracie. Maybe skill wise he surpassed him but not as a warrior. I say this because Helio would have fought Sakuraba in his prime when Saku was schooling all of Rickson's brothers and cousins. Helio would have fought Saku in the cage, in the ring, on the beach, in a parking lot. He would have fought him for a million dollars, for .50 cents or for free. Helio really exuded an ethos of a grim and harden warrior. You could see it in his face even well into his twilight years. Don't get me wrong. He was very warm, friendly and quick with a smile. But when it came to fighting -- he was all business.

Helio Gracie was a great man.