Michael Moore and Capitalism

[body88]

Uh, I guess you kind of forgot how the south was built, who owned the farms and the slaves, how the railroads were built, who owned the railroads, how oil land was seized even through private armies with the cooperation of the US Government and by whom. 



You need to have a sense of historicity which it appears that you do not.  Furthermore, don`t ever again compare Darwinian evolution with capitalism.   

Source please.  You just made all of that up. Please provide the evidence.

By the way, Michael Moore is a member of the NRA and is a gun owner and supports gun-owners.  Obviously you have never seen Bowling for Columbine and if you did, you didn`t come away with the correct meaning.

Do as I say, not as I do.  - Andrew C McCarthy.  Read the book before you call me a lier.  It chronicles all Moore's lies since day one. 

[The True Adonis]

Do as I say, not as I do.  - Andrew C McCarthy.  Read the book before you call me a lier.  It chronicles all Moore's lies since day one. 

Uh, Andrew C. MCCarthy seems to only have written one book and its called Willful Blindness.

http://www.encounterbooks.com/books/author/mccarthya/


I can`t find a link or any info whatsoever about any "book" about Moore.

[The True Adonis]

Again, where is the evidence?  Can you find me something right now that I can look at that backs up your claims?

[The True Adonis]

Something tells me you didn`t read any book.  Andrew C. McCarthy never wrote a book about Michael Moore.

[Nordic Superman]

Uh, I guess you kind of forgot how the south was built, who owned the farms and the slaves, how the railroads were built, who owned the railroads, how oil land was seized even through private armies with the cooperation of the US Government and by whom. 



You need to have a sense of historicity which it appears that you do not.  Furthermore, don`t ever again compare Darwinian evolution with capitalism.   

What are you talking about, and please reference what your assertions are a reply to because I don't know where you got this from unless of course you're simply only trying to sound intelligent?

[GigantorX]

Saying he has never lied in any of his movies is incorrect. There have been plenty of facts that were way off in "Bowling for Columbine", which, frankly, is the only one I bothered to see.

It isn't that he lies, it's in the way he chooses which information is presented, how it is presented and which information is not presented. Is documentaries aren't really documentaries they are simply selective information that he presents to the audience from his point of view.

He certainly doesn't lay out all the facts impartially, that's for sure.

[Nordic Superman]

To say he has NEVER spread mis-information is quite stupid and setting yourself up for disaster.

I think Adonis say's this because who can really be arsed proving him wrong? (he probably realises this...)

Adonis made the assertion, so Adonis, list every "fact" Moore has stated and prove he didn't lie.

[Soul Crusher]

Saying he has never lied in any of his movies is incorrect. There have been plenty of facts that were way off in "Bowling for Columbine", which, frankly, is the only one I bothered to see.

It isn't that he lies, it's in the way he chooses which information is presented, how it is presented and which information is not presented. Is documentaries aren't really documentaries they are simply selective information that he presents to the audience from his point of view.

He certainly doesn't lay out all the facts impartially, that's for sure.

What dreamers like TA refuse to understand is that while capitilism is not perfect and has it flaws, it still produces far greater wealth and progress than all the others.  

A "poor" person in the USA is still more often than not better off than a "poor" person in a socialistic country.  

[The True Adonis]

I'm the biggest proponent of natural selection in regards to applying it to economics and government

Again, lets review the history of American Capitalism.  At its strongest, capitalism comprised of Slave Labor and/or concentrated power in the hands of a few with corporate dominance and no rights for workers.  Given the influx of Irish, German and Italian immigrants, it was easier to work them to death, pay them nothing or literally pay them nothing and then rehire fresh off the boat.

This is capitalism in applying "natural selection in regards to applying it to economics and government" as you put it.

Do you support this?  If not, why?  Would you care to amend your above statement?

[The True Adonis]

To say he has NEVER spread mis-information is quite stupid and setting yourself up for disaster.

I think Adonis say's this because who can really be arsed proving him wrong? (he probably realises this...)

Adonis made the assertion, so Adonis, list every "fact" Moore has stated and prove he didn't lie.

I didn`t make an accusation or assertion, you guys did.

Again, you say he he is lying or spreading mis-information than surely you must be able to point to something or else YOU MADE THE WHOLE THING UP.

You can`t just go around making statements based on zero facts and THINK they are true.

[The True Adonis]

What dreamers like TA refuse to understand is that while capitilism is not perfect and has it flaws, it still produces far greater wealth and progress than all the others.  

A "poor" person in the USA is still more often than not better off than a "poor" person in a socialistic country.  

I support Democratic Socialism which is a Socialist-Capitalistic hybrid as all forms of Socialism exist.  Similar to what we have now, but with more power concentrated to the people.  Think Norway.

[Soul Crusher]

Again, lets review the history of American Capitalism.  At its strongest, capitalism comprised of Slave Labor and/or concentrated power in the hands of a few with corporate dominance and no rights for workers.  Given the influx of Irish, German and Italian immigrants, it was easier to work them to death, pay them nothing or literally pay them nothing and then rehire fresh off the boat.

This is capitalism in applying "natural selection in regards to applying it to economics and government" as you put it.

Do you support this?  If not, why?  Would you care to amend your above statement?

You are a jackass, a real jackass.  

My ancestors came from Italy and worked their butts off for low pay.  However, their drive to succeed, their "obscene profit motive", resulted in a lot of prosperity for my family.   My ancestors were poor, my parents middle class, and so on.  

I am glad that they never joined unions, adopted socialistic garbage, and worked as they did.  In fact, they fled Europe for the very same reasons that you wish to impose on this country now.  

No thanks.          

[body88]

Something tells me you didn`t read any book.  Andrew C. McCarthy never wrote a book about Michael Moore.

Excuse me, it was written by Peter Schweizer.  You see, I'm at work and I don't have access to my books.  Anyway, I read it a few years ago and everything I stated (plus more) is in that book.  It's all sourced, which makes it even more funny.  Moore = lier.

http://www.amazon.com/Do-As-Say-Not-Hypocrisy/dp/0385513496

[The True Adonis]

You are a jackass, a real jackass.  

My ancestors came from Italy and worked their butts off for low pay.  However, their drive to succeed, their "obscene profit motive", resulted in a lot of prosperity for my family.   My ancestors were poor, my parents middle class, and so on.  

I am glad that they never joined unions, adopted socialistic garbage, and worked as they did.  In fact, they fled Europe for the very same reasons that you wish to impose on this country now.  

No thanks.          

Your family worked for pennies for years and the only reason why they climbed in wealth is by having workers rights.

[Nordic Superman]

Again, lets review the history of American Capitalism.  At its strongest, capitalism comprised of Slave Labor and/or concentrated power in the hands of a few with corporate dominance and no rights for workers.  Given the influx of Irish, German and Italian immigrants, it was easier to work them to death, pay them nothing or literally pay them nothing and then rehire fresh off the boat.

This is capitalism in applying "natural selection in regards to applying it to economics and government" as you put it.

Do you support this?  If not, why?  Would you care to amend your above statement?

So you're specifically talking about early American capitalism? I don't understand what you're getting at. I proposed capitalism should (note I'm proposing something for the FUTURE and not PAST or PRESENT) incorporate natural selection and you jump to this mundane and unsubstantiated claims?

No it isn't I CLEARLY stated selection pressures MUST be in place.

I didn`t make an accusation or assertion, you guys did.

Again, you say he he is lying or spreading mis-information than surely you must be able to point to something or else YOU MADE THE WHOLE THING UP.

You can`t just go around making statements based on zero facts and THINK they are true.

Where did I personally make anything up? Please, just give an EXAMPLE.

The premise of my argument that for him to state only FACTS (and always as you confidently put) is highly unlikely.

[Soul Crusher]

Your family worked for pennies for years and the only reason why they climbed in wealth is by having workers rights.

Wrong fool.  They worked in non-unionized small businesses and saved their $$$$.  With no education, they formed small businesses and progressed.

You really are a marxist if you believe in the validity of the class struggle b.s. you are taught in college.   

[boonasty]

Newspaper upset with Michael Moore
Says director created a doctored front page for ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’
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updated 7:02 p.m. CT, Sun., Aug 1, 2004
 - Filmmaker Michael Moore’s Bush-basing documentary “Fahrenheit 9/11” has apparently upset more than Republicans.

The Pantagraph newspaper in Bloomington said Friday it sent a letter to Moore and the film’s distributor, Lions Gate Entertainment Corp., asking for an apology for using what it said was a doctored front page in his movie.

The paper is seeking $1 in damages.

A scene early in the movie shows newspaper headlines related to the contested 2000 presidential election. It includes a shot of The Pantagraph’s Dec. 19, 2001, front page, with the prominent headline, “Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election.”

The newspaper says that headline never appeared on that day.

The paper said the headline appeared in a Dec. 5, 2001, edition but was not used on the front page. Instead, it was found in much smaller type above a letter to the editor, which the paper says reflects “only the opinions of the letter writer.”

“If (Moore) wants to ‘edit’ The Pantagraph, he should apply for a copy-editing job,” the paper said.

Neither Lions Gate nor Moore were immediately available for comment Sunday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5575561/






Bowling for Headlines: How Fictitious is Michael Moore's 'Fahrenheit 9/11'?
Shoots from the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii - Aug. 10, 2004
By Stuart K. Hayashi, 8/10/2004 12:03:36 AM

 
Stuart Hayashi

Filmmaker Michael Moore first gained renown with his 1989 documentary "Roger & Me." It focuses on General Motors closing its Flint, Michigan, plants to cut costs. Decrying this as cruelty, Moore videotapes himself following G.M.'s then-CEO Roger Smith around, trying to interview him about the layoffs. Smith only evades him.

But now Moore is the powerful multimillionaire corporate fat-cat who hates being confronted over his own company's shadiness, and I'm the young rebel who questions his business's conduct.

A Friday, July 30 Associated Press story says that the "Bloomington, IL, Pantagraph" newspaper accuses Moore's latest movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11," of taking a Letter to the Editor from its December 5, 2001 edition, and then showing a doctored version of it in the documentary's pre-title sequence.

The film version changes the date to Dec. 19, 2001, alters the typesetting, and blows up the letter's title -- "Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election" -- so that it now looks like a straight news article reflecting the paper's official position.

Naturally, the "article" was shown when Moore's voice-over narration asserted Al Gore definitely received more Florida votes than Bush in the 2000 election.

Consequently, the Pantagraph demands an apology and explanation from Moore, and it's seeking damages of . . . $1. It's the principle that counts.

The Pantagraph probably would've taken such actions even if I never got involved in this controversy. However, I *DID* help get the photographic evidence of the Pantagraph's claims onto the Internet.

In his July 23, 2004 column at http://tinyurl.com/6a24q "Pantagraph" columnist Bill Flick first broke the news of the headline enlargement. His column included MooreWatch.com writer Jim Kenefick's screenshot of the letter as it appeared in the film, but no picture of the authentic Dec. 5 version.

I emailed Flick and asked him if the Pantagraph could place a picture of the original "Gore won" letter onto its website. So he put me into contact with a Bloomington librarian who had a copy of the original letter's page on microfilm.

After we exchanged emails, the librarian agreed to my suggestion that she fax a photograph of the original letter to MooreWatch.com.

So on Monday, July 26, MooreWatch posted http://tinyurl.com/5tspp to show photographs of both the real letter and the altered cinematic incarnation.

The URL I just provided is more important than anything else I've written here, because it shows if the Pantagraph is correct or not.

Thanks to these pictures, you don't have to take anyone's word for it. See for yourself.

To see a larger image of the real letter at that URL, click on it. A second window will open, wherein you can further magnify the image.

MooreWatch.com received the faxed image in three parts, so it had to assemble them into one piece with Adobe Photoshop. It also highlighted the letter in yellow. Other than that, MooreWatch made no changes to the image of the real page.

I don't know for a fact if Moore himself was aware that an altered headline appeared in "Fahrenheit 9/11" or if this implies something about the veracity of the documentary's other theses. I only know that the version from Moore's masterpiece looks nothing like the actual one.

And I believe Moore owes an honest explanation to everyone who's seen his opus.

As a result of my helping MooreWatch expose the discrepancy, Jason Clarke, a coauthor of the New York Times bestseller "Michael Moore Is a Big Fat Stupid White Man," invited me to write about this incident on his famous website http://www.moorelies.com -- a site mentioned in the July 9 "Entertainment Weekly."

http://tinyurl.com/64jjw displays my MooreLies post.

The aforementioned "Entertainment Weekly" issue contained an interview with Moore in which he says that he "hired the former chief counsel and head of fact-checking at The New Yorker and then she brought in some fact-checkers" to verify "Fahrenheit 9/11"'s accuracy.

Moore then states, "I said tear the movie apart and find something wrong with it."

I wouldn't have known of this strangeness myself if it weren't for MooreWatch's coverage of it, but perhaps Moore's fact-checkers didn't do their job well enough.

"I don't get sued," Moore also said, "because my facts are correct."

Whoops!

Moore famously declared in his 2003 Oscar speech, "We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president."

Ironically, "Fahrenheit 9/11" supports that accusation with a seemingly fictitious document.

Figure 1: The version that appears in "Fahrenheit 9/11"



 
 


Caption: Note that it says "The Pantagraph" in the upper left-hand corner and the date is double-digit. Magnified, it looks like Wednesday, December 19, 2001 (see http://tinyurl.com/6a24q for a larger view of the date).

Figure 2: The actual "Pantagraph" page on which the letter to the editor, "Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election," was printed



 
 


Caption: MooreWatch.Com highlighted the real letter in yellow. Go to http://tinyurl.com/4vco9 for a larger, clearer view of it. In the upper left-hand corner, it says "The Pantagraph" and then "Wednesday, December 5, 2001." Note that the date is clearly single-digit.

Stuart K. Hayashi is Policy Analyst at the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii. Hayashi is the founder of a news Web log, "The Fiftieth Star," at: http://50thstar.blogspot.com to be unofficially centered around activities at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. His older editorials can be seen at: http://reason_club.tripod.com/stuart_editorials.html and he can be reached at: mailto:radical_individualist@hotmail.com

Links pertinent to this story (I have tried to keep this in chronological order, with the earliest stories at the top):

A screenshot of the "Bloomington Pantagraph" letter in question, as it appears in "Fahrenheit 9/11" (this photo was not taken by anyone who blogged for MooreWatch.com) http://tinyurl.com/47md2

Bill Flick of the "Bloomington Pantagraph" reveals the nature of how the headline was distorted (includes MooreWatch's screenshot of the film version of the letter) -- Friday, July 23, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/6a24q

The photograph evidence of the headline being doctored for "Fahrenheit 9/11" -- Monday, July 26, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/5tspp

A larger picture of the real Letter to the Editor -- Monday, July 26, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/4vco9

The "Bloomington Pantagraph" announces that it is seeking legal action -- Friday, July 30, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/4j23k

The Associated Press story -- Friday, July 30, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/3wukr (This appeared in the Monday, August 2, 2004 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser on page A4, under the heading "Fraud Alleged in 'Fahrenheit 9/11.'"

My post on this subject on a New York Times bestselling author's website -- Friday, July 30, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/64jjw

Other charges made against Michael Moore's films (this is no longer in chronological order):

The Corpse Confession; http://tinyurl.com/6qxnp

Bush looking dumb as he says, "Now watch this drive!" on the golf course; http://tinyurl.com/3mtl5

How "Bowling for Columbine" spliced two old political campaign ads together to look like one, and then added its own caption without telling the viewer; http://tinyurl.com/484ez

Was Michael Moore's confrontation with Charlton Heston staged?; http://tinyurl.com/58spe (see the RealPlayer clip of the film to confirm the charge that the author of that web article is making); http://tinyurl.com/3v3et

The misleading editing of Charlton Heston's NRA speeches; http://tinyurl.com/3he7e

The staged bank scene from "Bowling for Columbine"; http://tinyurl.com/28s67

The fudging of the chronology of events in "Roger & Me"; http://tinyurl.com/4yoqp (the late Pauline Kael took Moore at his word when he said he's from the working-class Flint, Michigan; evidence suggests grew up in the upper-middle-class suburb near Flint: Davison, Michigan); http://tinyurl.com/57yjg

The shocking secret about the central plot premise of "Roger & Me"; http://tinyurl.com/4sz6g ; http://tinyurl.com/664ss

Attorney and New York Times bestselling author David T. Hardy's comprehensive refutation of "Bowling for Columbine"; http://tinyurl.com/81ku

Other links:

Michael Moore's home page; http://www.michaelmoore.com

Helpful resources for keeping track of information about Moore and the validity of his films; http://www.moorelies.com ; http://www.moorewatch.com ; http://www.bowlingfortruth.com

"Fifty-Nine Deceits in 'Fahrenheit 9/11'" by David B. Kopel; http://tinyurl.com/28hjy

Michael Moore's 2003 Oscar speech; http://tinyurl.com/4muxg

An upcoming documentary that counters Michael Moore's propaganda; http://tinyurl.com/6uqms

This editorial is intended to provoke thought, discussion and an examination of issues. It does not reflect official policy of the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii. See the GRIH Web site at: http://www.grassrootinstitute.org/

HawaiiReporter.com reports the real news, and prints all editorials submitted, even if they do not represent the viewpoint of the editors, as long as they are written clearly. Send editorials to mailto:Malia@HawaiiReporter.com

[The True Adonis]

So you're specifically talking about early American capitalism? I don't understand what you're getting at. I proposed capitalism should (note I'm proposing something for the FUTURE and not PAST or PRESENT) incorporate natural selection and you jump to this mundane and unsubstantiated claims?

No it isn't I CLEARLY stated selection pressures MUST be in place.

Where did I personally make anything up? Please, just give an EXAMPLE.

The premise of my argument that for him to state only FACTS (and always as you confidently put) is highly unlikely.

How much "Natural Selection"?  Again, do you want to harken back to the robber-baron age or the capitalistic slave days?  Where do YOU draw the line with your "Natural Selection".  You surely don`t support unabashed capitalism in its purest form.  Do you?

[boonasty]

--

[Soul Crusher]

How much "Natural Selection"?  Again, do you want to harken back to the robber-baron age or the capitalistic slave days?  Where do YOU draw the line with your "Natural Selection".  You surely don`t support unabashed capitalism in its purest form.  Do you?

Go read Harry Hazlitt's book "Economics in one Lesson"

TA - you are really clueless.  Seriously, you need to get out of that romper room college you work at and educate yourself because you really have no idea about how economics works.    

[The True Adonis]

Newspaper upset with Michael Moore
Says director created a doctored front page for ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 

updated 7:02 p.m. CT, Sun., Aug 1, 2004
 - Filmmaker Michael Moore’s Bush-basing documentary “Fahrenheit 9/11” has apparently upset more than Republicans.

The Pantagraph newspaper in Bloomington said Friday it sent a letter to Moore and the film’s distributor, Lions Gate Entertainment Corp., asking for an apology for using what it said was a doctored front page in his movie.

The paper is seeking $1 in damages.

A scene early in the movie shows newspaper headlines related to the contested 2000 presidential election. It includes a shot of The Pantagraph’s Dec. 19, 2001, front page, with the prominent headline, “Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election.”

The newspaper says that headline never appeared on that day.

The paper said the headline appeared in a Dec. 5, 2001, edition but was not used on the front page. Instead, it was found in much smaller type above a letter to the editor, which the paper says reflects “only the opinions of the letter writer.”

“If (Moore) wants to ‘edit’ The Pantagraph, he should apply for a copy-editing job,” the paper said.

Neither Lions Gate nor Moore were immediately available for comment Sunday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5575561/






Bowling for Headlines: How Fictitious is Michael Moore's 'Fahrenheit 9/11'?
Shoots from the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii - Aug. 10, 2004
By Stuart K. Hayashi, 8/10/2004 12:03:36 AM

 
Stuart Hayashi

Filmmaker Michael Moore first gained renown with his 1989 documentary "Roger & Me." It focuses on General Motors closing its Flint, Michigan, plants to cut costs. Decrying this as cruelty, Moore videotapes himself following G.M.'s then-CEO Roger Smith around, trying to interview him about the layoffs. Smith only evades him.

But now Moore is the powerful multimillionaire corporate fat-cat who hates being confronted over his own company's shadiness, and I'm the young rebel who questions his business's conduct.

A Friday, July 30 Associated Press story says that the "Bloomington, IL, Pantagraph" newspaper accuses Moore's latest movie, "Fahrenheit 9/11," of taking a Letter to the Editor from its December 5, 2001 edition, and then showing a doctored version of it in the documentary's pre-title sequence.

The film version changes the date to Dec. 19, 2001, alters the typesetting, and blows up the letter's title -- "Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election" -- so that it now looks like a straight news article reflecting the paper's official position.

Naturally, the "article" was shown when Moore's voice-over narration asserted Al Gore definitely received more Florida votes than Bush in the 2000 election.

Consequently, the Pantagraph demands an apology and explanation from Moore, and it's seeking damages of . . . $1. It's the principle that counts.

The Pantagraph probably would've taken such actions even if I never got involved in this controversy. However, I *DID* help get the photographic evidence of the Pantagraph's claims onto the Internet.

In his July 23, 2004 column at http://tinyurl.com/6a24q "Pantagraph" columnist Bill Flick first broke the news of the headline enlargement. His column included MooreWatch.com writer Jim Kenefick's screenshot of the letter as it appeared in the film, but no picture of the authentic Dec. 5 version.

I emailed Flick and asked him if the Pantagraph could place a picture of the original "Gore won" letter onto its website. So he put me into contact with a Bloomington librarian who had a copy of the original letter's page on microfilm.

After we exchanged emails, the librarian agreed to my suggestion that she fax a photograph of the original letter to MooreWatch.com.

So on Monday, July 26, MooreWatch posted http://tinyurl.com/5tspp to show photographs of both the real letter and the altered cinematic incarnation.

The URL I just provided is more important than anything else I've written here, because it shows if the Pantagraph is correct or not.

Thanks to these pictures, you don't have to take anyone's word for it. See for yourself.

To see a larger image of the real letter at that URL, click on it. A second window will open, wherein you can further magnify the image.

MooreWatch.com received the faxed image in three parts, so it had to assemble them into one piece with Adobe Photoshop. It also highlighted the letter in yellow. Other than that, MooreWatch made no changes to the image of the real page.

I don't know for a fact if Moore himself was aware that an altered headline appeared in "Fahrenheit 9/11" or if this implies something about the veracity of the documentary's other theses. I only know that the version from Moore's masterpiece looks nothing like the actual one.

And I believe Moore owes an honest explanation to everyone who's seen his opus.

As a result of my helping MooreWatch expose the discrepancy, Jason Clarke, a coauthor of the New York Times bestseller "Michael Moore Is a Big Fat Stupid White Man," invited me to write about this incident on his famous website http://www.moorelies.com -- a site mentioned in the July 9 "Entertainment Weekly."

http://tinyurl.com/64jjw displays my MooreLies post.

The aforementioned "Entertainment Weekly" issue contained an interview with Moore in which he says that he "hired the former chief counsel and head of fact-checking at The New Yorker and then she brought in some fact-checkers" to verify "Fahrenheit 9/11"'s accuracy.

Moore then states, "I said tear the movie apart and find something wrong with it."

I wouldn't have known of this strangeness myself if it weren't for MooreWatch's coverage of it, but perhaps Moore's fact-checkers didn't do their job well enough.

"I don't get sued," Moore also said, "because my facts are correct."

Whoops!

Moore famously declared in his 2003 Oscar speech, "We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president."

Ironically, "Fahrenheit 9/11" supports that accusation with a seemingly fictitious document.

Figure 1: The version that appears in "Fahrenheit 9/11"



 
 


Caption: Note that it says "The Pantagraph" in the upper left-hand corner and the date is double-digit. Magnified, it looks like Wednesday, December 19, 2001 (see http://tinyurl.com/6a24q for a larger view of the date).

Figure 2: The actual "Pantagraph" page on which the letter to the editor, "Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election," was printed



 
 


Caption: MooreWatch.Com highlighted the real letter in yellow. Go to http://tinyurl.com/4vco9 for a larger, clearer view of it. In the upper left-hand corner, it says "The Pantagraph" and then "Wednesday, December 5, 2001." Note that the date is clearly single-digit.

Stuart K. Hayashi is Policy Analyst at the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii. Hayashi is the founder of a news Web log, "The Fiftieth Star," at: http://50thstar.blogspot.com to be unofficially centered around activities at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. His older editorials can be seen at: http://reason_club.tripod.com/stuart_editorials.html and he can be reached at: mailto:radical_individualist@hotmail.com

Links pertinent to this story (I have tried to keep this in chronological order, with the earliest stories at the top):

A screenshot of the "Bloomington Pantagraph" letter in question, as it appears in "Fahrenheit 9/11" (this photo was not taken by anyone who blogged for MooreWatch.com) http://tinyurl.com/47md2

Bill Flick of the "Bloomington Pantagraph" reveals the nature of how the headline was distorted (includes MooreWatch's screenshot of the film version of the letter) -- Friday, July 23, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/6a24q

The photograph evidence of the headline being doctored for "Fahrenheit 9/11" -- Monday, July 26, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/5tspp

A larger picture of the real Letter to the Editor -- Monday, July 26, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/4vco9

The "Bloomington Pantagraph" announces that it is seeking legal action -- Friday, July 30, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/4j23k

The Associated Press story -- Friday, July 30, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/3wukr (This appeared in the Monday, August 2, 2004 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser on page A4, under the heading "Fraud Alleged in 'Fahrenheit 9/11.'"

My post on this subject on a New York Times bestselling author's website -- Friday, July 30, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/64jjw

Other charges made against Michael Moore's films (this is no longer in chronological order):

The Corpse Confession; http://tinyurl.com/6qxnp

Bush looking dumb as he says, "Now watch this drive!" on the golf course; http://tinyurl.com/3mtl5

How "Bowling for Columbine" spliced two old political campaign ads together to look like one, and then added its own caption without telling the viewer; http://tinyurl.com/484ez

Was Michael Moore's confrontation with Charlton Heston staged?; http://tinyurl.com/58spe (see the RealPlayer clip of the film to confirm the charge that the author of that web article is making); http://tinyurl.com/3v3et

The misleading editing of Charlton Heston's NRA speeches; http://tinyurl.com/3he7e

The staged bank scene from "Bowling for Columbine"; http://tinyurl.com/28s67

The fudging of the chronology of events in "Roger & Me"; http://tinyurl.com/4yoqp (the late Pauline Kael took Moore at his word when he said he's from the working-class Flint, Michigan; evidence suggests grew up in the upper-middle-class suburb near Flint: Davison, Michigan); http://tinyurl.com/57yjg

The shocking secret about the central plot premise of "Roger & Me"; http://tinyurl.com/4sz6g ; http://tinyurl.com/664ss

Attorney and New York Times bestselling author David T. Hardy's comprehensive refutation of "Bowling for Columbine"; http://tinyurl.com/81ku

Other links:

Michael Moore's home page; http://www.michaelmoore.com

Helpful resources for keeping track of information about Moore and the validity of his films; http://www.moorelies.com ; http://www.moorewatch.com ; http://www.bowlingfortruth.com

"Fifty-Nine Deceits in 'Fahrenheit 9/11'" by David B. Kopel; http://tinyurl.com/28hjy

Michael Moore's 2003 Oscar speech; http://tinyurl.com/4muxg

An upcoming documentary that counters Michael Moore's propaganda; http://tinyurl.com/6uqms

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Care to make a guess as to who lost their "lawsuit" and why?

[boonasty]

Care to make a guess as to who lost their "lawsuit" and why?

you're saying they LOST the lawsuit?  is that what you are saying?  yes, please inform us.

[The True Adonis]

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Exactly.  All he did was bold the Headline.  Did you not notice that the headlines read the same thing?

[Nordic Superman]

How much "Natural Selection"?  Again, do you want to harken back to the robber-baron age or the capitalistic slave days?  Where do YOU draw the line with your "Natural Selection".  You surely don`t support unabashed capitalism in its purest form.  Do you?

How stupid are you?

Do you not read my posts? Prove to me that "unabashed capitalism in its purest form" is truly natural selection in progress? I CLEARLY stated there must be selective pressures outside of the individuals (read: corporations) as there is in nature, for the third time, this selection pressure could be moderation of the markets...

[The True Adonis]

How stupid are you?

Do you not read my posts? Prove to me that "unabashed capitalism in its purest form" is truly natural selection in progress? I CLEARLY stated there must be selective pressures outside of the individuals (read: corporations) as there is in nature, for the third time, this selection pressure could be moderation of the markets...

Define Natural Selection.