Michael Moore and Capitalism

[The True Adonis]

Adonis it was ONE DOLLAR not one million. It was a priciple os the thing.

Read the articles again son. One dollar.

Some of the papers were reporting it as one million back in 2004.  Either way, they had no case and Michael Moore was in the right.

This is undeniable.

[The True Adonis]

There is a real misconception about slavery, because of the way it is taught/portrayed it is only black people who were slaves. Maybe if people would actually make an attempt they would find that some of the largest slave owners/traders in the south were themselves black men. But you can't let that get in the way of blaming the white man now can you.

I actually wrote a paper in American History class on White Slavery in the American Colonies.

[Nordic Superman]

I asked you to define your "Natural Selection" parameters since you made the statement  "I am the biggest proponent of natural selection when it comes to applying it to capitalism and government".

That statement could easily encompass the permitting of slavery, monopolies, no or few workers rights and allow for coercion, intimidation and violent take overs since it fits perfectly in promoting "natural selection" in capitalism and government to which you are "the biggest proponent" of.

Obviously you are not a 100 percent Capitalist since the above, (which did happen under Capitalism and allowed Capitalism to flourish) you are seemingly against.

No, only an idiot would assume I support slavery. I've gone into enough detail here for a 5 year old to understand.

Slavery, monopolies are not the defining features of capitalism nor parts of the sum, it's just that you seem anti-capitalist, extreme pro-socialist plus it gives you an easy position to debate and come out on top if the other party falls into your straw man argument trap.

Your last sentence makes no sense, these things happened and helped capitalism; they also helped dictatorship and medieval tribalism.

I hate to break it to you, socialism as it stand keeps people down in its current form, the welfare system in the EU has helped keep generations of people welfare at the bottom. Given your "logic"; that is a defining factor of socialism simply because it happened under its reign?

[Kazan]

I actually wrote a paper in American History class on White Slavery in the American Colonies.

They were called indentured servants

[The True Adonis]

And salvery didn't allow oh lets, say monarchies, or scoialists, or communist, or Arab\Muslim theocracies to "flourish"? Slave labor has been used by just about every civilization in the history of man. Don't try to portray slavery as some exclusivly capitalist entity.

Of course Capitalism can`t lay sole claim to slavery, but in the same vein, slavery proved to be equally useful to Capitalism.  

[Soul Crusher]

Of course Capitalism can`t lay sole claim to slavery, but in the same vein, slavery proved to be equally useful to Capitalism.  

I didnt know the ancient egyptians were capitalists.  Thanks TA - you teach me new stuff every day.   

[The True Adonis]

They were called indentured servants

Not entirely.

I recommend this book:
White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain's White Slaves in America

[The True Adonis]

Here is another.

[The True Adonis]

I didnt know the ancient egyptians were capitalists.  Thanks TA - you teach me new stuff every day.   

You don`t think Slavery had any positive impact upon Capitalism itself?

[Soul Crusher]

You don`t think Slavery had any positive impact upon Capitalism itself?

It had a negative impact on capitilism since the slave labor stunted innovation of tech to do the work more efficiently.         

[The True Adonis]

It had a negative impact on capitilism since the slave labor stunted innovation of tech to do the work more efficiently.         

Example of technology please.

[The True Adonis]

It had a negative impact on capitilism since the slave labor stunted innovation of tech to do the work more efficiently.         

Do you know why Lincoln Signed the Emancipation Proclamation and what the goal he envisioned in doing so was?

[Soul Crusher]

Example of technology please.

TA - you are a moron who does not grasp even the most basic concepts of economics.

If the slaveholders had to pay for the labor for the work that was being performed, they would have been under pressure to find more innovative ways to produce the crops and do the jobs that the slaves were doing since slave labor is not productive labor.   

   

[The True Adonis]

TA - you are a moron who does not grasp even the most basic concepts of economics.

If the slaveholders had to pay for the labor for the work that was being performed, they would have been under pressure to find more innovative ways to produce the crops and do the jobs that the slaves were doing since slave labor is not productive labor.   

   

ROFLMAO,

Slave Labor wasn`t productive?     Is this really a claim you want to make? 

Your take on History is certainly devoid of facts.

[The True Adonis]

TA - you are a moron who does not grasp even the most basic concepts of economics.

If the slaveholders had to pay for the labor for the work that was being performed, they would have been under pressure to find more innovative ways to produce the crops and do the jobs that the slaves were doing since slave labor is not productive labor.   

   

Why do you think Slavery flourished as a means of production in an Agrarian based economy or do you claim it did not?

[Soul Crusher]

ROFLMAO,

Slave Labor wasn`t productive?     Is this really a claim you want to make? 

Your take on History is certainly devoid of facts.

It wasnt productive in the sense that the amount of people being used for the task could have greatly been decreased through technology thast was not produced because the slaveholders had no reason to produce it.   

[body88]

I asked you to define your "Natural Selection" parameters since you made the statement  "I am the biggest proponent of natural selection when it comes to applying it to capitalism and government".

That statement could easily encompass the permitting of slavery, monopolies, no or few workers rights and allow for coercion, intimidation and violent take overs since it fits perfectly in promoting "natural selection" in capitalism and government to which you are "the biggest proponent" of.

Obviously you are not a 100 percent Capitalist since the above, (which did happen under Capitalism and allowed Capitalism to flourish) you are seemingly against.

In regards to you saying that I made up the facts that I stated about Moore earlier in this thread.  Have you read the book in question?  It looks like all Mr Schweizer's accusations are dead on.  Infact, I don't see any refutable claims in his book.

I don't own a single shred of stock - Michael Moore

Most notable Stock owned at the time of this statement:
- Halliburton (5/19/2000)

It's on the back cover of Do As I Say (not as I do), aahaha.  Face it Adonis, Moore is a hypocritical piece of shit who lies A LOT.

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Excuse me, it was written by Peter Schweizer.  You see, I'm at work and I don't have access to my books.  Anyway, I read it a few years ago and everything I stated (plus more) is in that book.  It's all sourced, which makes it even more funny.  Moore = lier.

http://www.amazon.com/Do-As-Say-Not-Hypocrisy/dp/0385513496

I got the author wrong....I'm trying to work here.  Anyway, give this book a read.  I doubt Adonis has read it.  Moore is a lying

[Soul Crusher]

Why do you think Slavery flourished as a means of production in an Agrarian based economy or do you claim it did not?

Many of those societies did not have the laws we have.  Additionally, if a land owner does not have to pay for labor, sure, its a GREAT DEAL FOR HIM.

   

[The True Adonis]

In regards to you saying that I made up the facts that I stated about Moore earlier in this thread.  Have you read the book in question?  It looks like all Mr Schweizer's accusations are dead on.  Infact, I don't see any refutable claims in his book.

I don't own a single shred of stock - Michael Moore

Most notable Stock owned at the time of this statement:
- Halliburton (5/19/2000)

It's on the back cover of Do As I Say (not as I do), aahaha.  Face it Adonis, Moore is a hypocritical piece of shit who lies A LOT.
 

I can`t find a single proof of any of his claims.  Can you link me?

[body88]

I can`t find a single proof of any of his claims.  Can you link me?

Ill give it a shot, later.  I have the book in front of me now.  Do As I Say (not as I do) by Peter Schweizer.

[The True Adonis]

In regards to you saying that I made up the facts that I stated about Moore earlier in this thread.  Have you read the book in question?  It looks like all Mr Schweizer's accusations are dead on.  Infact, I don't see any refutable claims in his book.

I don't own a single shred of stock - Michael Moore

Most notable Stock owned at the time of this statement:
- Halliburton (5/19/2000)

It's on the back cover of Do As I Say (not as I do), aahaha.  Face it Adonis, Moore is a hypocritical piece of shit who lies A LOT.
 

How does this change the facts in the movie?

[The True Adonis]

That wasn't my argument....I originally stated that more was a hypocrite and a lier.  I gave several examples of this, and you told me I was making it all up.

Liar about what?

I still am not seeing it.

[GigantorX]

Why do you think Slavery flourished as a means of production in an Agrarian based economy or do you claim it did not?

I kind of agree with you on this one. Slaves were a means to an end. I believe that, although inefficient, the slaves got the job done, were readily available and could be had for cheap. After a while when demand and competition increased, technology would have completely eliminated the need for them. By 'inefficient' I mean that you have to cloth, house, feed and care for them. Although I would be willing to bet that this was, at most, a small % of the take from a solid harvest.

See: The Cotton Gin.

[Soul Crusher]

I kind of agree with you on this one. Slaves were a means to an end. I believe that, although inefficient, the slaves got the job done, were readily available and could be had for cheap. After a while when demand and competition increased, technology would have completely eliminated the need for them. By 'inefficient' I mean that you have to cloth, house, feed and care for them. Although I would be willing to bet that this was, at most, a small % of the take from a solid harvest.

See: The Cotton Gin.

That was my point.  If the owners had to pay for the labor, the tech would have advanced much sooner thereby doing away with the need for the slaves and slavery.

   

[boonasty]

Some of the papers were reporting it as one million back in 2004.  Either way, they had no case and Michael Moore was in the right.

This is undeniable.

can you post some of these links?

you think Moore was in the right for intentionally doctoring the paper and using it in his film?  what happened to your principles son?