Breaking news: Ron Reagan voted for Obama !

[James]

I figured I would beat 240 to it.   

[The True Adonis]

Of course he did.  He is a Democrat and an Atheist.  He is smart.

[Soul Crusher]

Of course he did.  He is a Democrat and an Atheist.  He is smart.

And still riding on the coatails and largesse of those who came before him that he had nothing to do with.  I guess you two have something in common. 

[The True Adonis]

And still riding on the coatails and largesse of those who came before him that he had nothing to do with.  I guess you two have something in common. 

Only he was Reagan`s favorite son.

http://www.vimeo.com/4896379

[GigantorX]

Of course he did.  He is a Democrat and an Atheist.  He is smart.

Oh man.

This statement carries little weight coming from you.

[Option D]

Of course he did.  He is a Democrat and an Atheist.  He is smart.

I just downloaded his podcast

[Soul Crusher]

I just downloaded his podcast

Oh Lord.  Mal - WTF is happening to you? 

Serious, this Obamacare is going to ber terrible for you guys unless you get into a specialty people will pay cash for.  Otherwise, you are really screwed.

[Option D]

Oh Lord.  Mal - WTF is happening to you? 

Serious, this Obamacare is going to ber terrible for you guys unless you get into a specialty people will pay cash for.  Otherwise, you are really screwed.

Well its better than Keith Olberman...man is he fuckin boring. Basically i try to see both sides. I consider myself first an AMERICAN...not black not puerto rican...im an american so i like to be well rounded when it comes to the view points of influentual and prominent political reporters. So i listen to Rush and Savage as well as Olberman and Maddow, Rhodes..etc...I just dont listen to proven idiots like Sean Hannity. He just dosent present a good argument and he lives to morph. And no facts..

[Soul Crusher]

Well its better than Keith Olberman...man is he fuckin boring. Basically i try to see both sides. I consider myself first an AMERICAN...not black not puerto rican...im an american so i like to be well rounded when it comes to the view points of influentual and prominent political reporters. So i listen to Rush and Savage as well as Olberman and Maddow, Rhodes..etc...I just dont listen to proven idiots like Sean Hannity. He just dosent present a good argument and he lives to morph. And no facts..

Hannity is the worst of the bunch. 

Serious, you really need to pay attention to this health bill.  If you do anything other than speciality people will pay you cash for, you are going to get reimbursed at medicade and medicare rates. 

[Option D]

Hannity is the worst of the bunch. 

Serious, you really need to pay attention to this health bill.  If you do anything other than speciality people will pay you cash for, you are going to get reimbursed at medicade and medicare rates. 

I havent seen any documentation. Well i havent really been looking too tough. I made it a point not to read any thing out side of my school work. Brain=frying out

[Soul Crusher]

I havent seen any documentation. Well i havent really been looking too tough. I made it a point not to read any thing out side of my school work. Brain=frying out

I guess your right for now. 

[Option D]

I guess your right for now. 

But if you could point me to a non partison, no agenda, summary of the healthcare bill i would read it. But right now i dont know what are any of the specs are

[GigantorX]

Hannity is the worst of the bunch. 

Serious, you really need to pay attention to this health bill.  If you do anything other than speciality people will pay you cash for, you are going to get reimbursed at medicade and medicare rates. 

And how is one going to pay off the massive student loans that put these doctors through college/med school? They aren't.

[kcballer]

Such scare mongering from 333 and gigantorx.  Doctors will always live a life of a higher standard financially regardless of a nationalized healthcare system.  If you are a good doctor you will earn a lot of money.  Period.  Quit it with the bullsh*t.  You've become so brainwashed by repub politics that you can't see the benefit of providing health care to fellow americans who can't afford it.  Such callousness never ceases to amaze me. 

[Soul Crusher]

Such scare mongering from 333 and gigantorx.  Doctors will always live a life of a higher standard financially regardless of a nationalized healthcare system.  If you are a good doctor you will earn a lot of money.  Period.  Quit it with the bullsh*t.  You've become so brainwashed by repub politics that you can't see the benefit of providing health care to fellow americans who can't afford it.  Such callousness never ceases to amaze me. 

Should the 15 million illegals of the alleged 45 get free health care? 

[The True Adonis]

Should the 15 million illegals of the alleged 45 get free health care? 

Yes.  So should anyone visiting our country. 

[kcballer]

Should the 15 million illegals of the alleged 45 get free health care? 

Good question.  I am inclined to say yes but with a caveat.  Amnesty for all current illegal immigrants (because lets be honest you are not going to get rid of them in their current state so register and tax them like any other citizen) Once that period of amnesty ends any and all companies caught with illegal immigrant workers are to be fined in order to pay for the expense of deportation and upkeep of border control. Anyone caught with an illegal immigrant in their home will be subject to the cost of deporting that person home. Perhaps that will stop the mass employment illegals and therefore stop the flow of illegals because without work there is no reason to be here.

[Soul Crusher]

Yes.  So should anyone visiting our country. 

Dude, I cant wait till you blow all your trust fund money.  you have no idea how bad this is going to be.  Celente is right.  We are facing a depression worse than the 1930's with this insanity. 

[Soul Crusher]

Good question.  I am inclined to say yes but with a caveat.  Amnesty for all current illegal immigrants (because lets be honest you are not going to get rid of them in their current state so register and tax them like any other citizen) Once that period of amnesty ends any and all companies caught with illegal immigrant workers are to be fined in order to pay for the expense of deportation and upkeep of border control. Anyone caught with an illegal immigrant in their home will be subject to the cost of deporting that person home. Perhaps that will stop the mass employment illegals and therefore stop the flow of illegals because without work there is no reason to be here.

They were supposed to do that in the 1986 amnesty bill.  How did that work out???

[kcballer]

They were supposed to do that in the 1986 amnesty bill.  How did that work out???

obviously the enforcement of such measures was insufficient because there is still no penalty for employing illegal immigrants. 

[Soul Crusher]

obviously the enforcement of such measures was insufficient because there is still no penalty for employing illegal immigrants. 

No kidding.  That is why most americans dont believe in amnesty for illegals.

[shootfighter1]

" Doctors will always live a life of a higher standard financially regardless of a nationalized healthcare system.  If you are a good doctor you will earn a lot of money.  Period.  Quit it with the bullsh*t."

This is certainly not absolute.  The amount of money a physician makes is absolutely not proportional to their skill.  Most general physicians make $120-$150K per year.  While that is a good living, it is not a ton of money.  Moreover, physician salaries have not increased to offset regular inflation & cost of living.  Physician salaries have dropped in comparison with other jobs and have not kept up with inflation.  In the meantime, education costs and length of training has increased and physicians typically do more than they have in the past (see more patients, more paperwork, etc).  When you guys think of doctors, many of you think of surgeons and high level specialists who do make a lot of $ (and probably deserve it)...that is not the majority of docs.

Nationalized healthcare will affect all private practice doctors negatively from what I have read.  That forces us all into big systems where we loose autonomy, bureaucracy increases, paperwork and pre-certifications increase, hospital administrators call the shots, we must see more patients/day, more rationing of care will take place and care is no longer just between the patient and their doctor.  The system must be changed, but nationalized healthcare does not look good to me from what I've read so far.

[Soul Crusher]

" Doctors will always live a life of a higher standard financially regardless of a nationalized healthcare system.  If you are a good doctor you will earn a lot of money.  Period.  Quit it with the bullsh*t."

This is certainly not absolute.  The amount of money a physician makes is absolutely not proportional to their skill.  Most general physicians make $120-$150K per year.  While that is a good living, it is not a ton of money.  Moreover, physician salaries have not increased to offset regular inflation & cost of living.  Physician salaries have dropped in comparison with other jobs and have not kept up with inflation.  In the meantime, education costs and length of training has increased and physicians typically do more than they have in the past (see more patients, more paperwork, etc).  When you guys think of doctors, many of you think of surgeons and high level specialists who do make a lot of $ (and probably deserve it)...that is not the majority of docs.

Nationalized healthcare will affect all private practice doctors negatively from what I have read.  That forces us all into big systems where we loose autonomy, bureaucracy increases, paperwork and pre-certifications increase, hospital administrators call the shots, we must see more patients/day, more rationing of care will take place and care is no longer just between the patient and their doctor.  The system must be changed, but nationalized healthcare does not look good to me from what I've read so far.

Shoot - I feel terrible for you.  Nobama is destroying the health care system with this.  He is the communist radical I pegged him on way before the election and the devoted followers refused to see. 

Your income will drop and you will now be foreced to accept lower reimbursements at the medicaid standard.  Additionally, you will now be forced to see more patients for the same income as well as increase your exposure to med mal cases.   

Obama truly is one of the dumbest "educated" presidents we have ever had.  For this fool not to understand that your med mal insurance will go up due to the many new claims that will come as a result of this is either dishonesty or incredible ignorance at its worst.         

[Option D]

" Doctors will always live a life of a higher standard financially regardless of a nationalized healthcare system.  If you are a good doctor you will earn a lot of money.  Period.  Quit it with the bullsh*t."

This is certainly not absolute.  The amount of money a physician makes is absolutely not proportional to their skill.  Most general physicians make $120-$150K per year.  While that is a good living, it is not a ton of money.  Moreover, physician salaries have not increased to offset regular inflation & cost of living.  Physician salaries have dropped in comparison with other jobs and have not kept up with inflation.  In the meantime, education costs and length of training has increased and physicians typically do more than they have in the past (see more patients, more paperwork, etc).  When you guys think of doctors, many of you think of surgeons and high level specialists who do make a lot of $ (and probably deserve it)...that is not the majority of docs.

Nationalized healthcare will affect all private practice doctors negatively from what I have read.  That forces us all into big systems where we loose autonomy, bureaucracy increases, paperwork and pre-certifications increase, hospital administrators call the shots, we must see more patients/day, more rationing of care will take place and care is no longer just between the patient and their doctor.  The system must be changed, but nationalized healthcare does not look good to me from what I've read so far.

This is what I have seen more and more. Its not the NIP TUCK life the general public think it is. Its not that at all. After my loans, if i do what i really want to do which is pediatrics or internal medicine, i wont be rich at all. I could work on wall street and have more earning potential, but thats not my expertise. Im alright with that. Im single with no kids, god willing, if everthing goes as planned I will have a comfortable life. I used to want to be dumb rich...im talkin about star island miami rich...but for doing something i love i think ill be right

[GigantorX]

Such scare mongering from 333 and gigantorx.  Doctors will always live a life of a higher standard financially regardless of a nationalized healthcare system.  If you are a good doctor you will earn a lot of money.  Period.  Quit it with the bullsh*t.  You've become so brainwashed by repub politics that you can't see the benefit of providing health care to fellow americans who can't afford it.  Such callousness never ceases to amaze me. 

Not quite. Getting reimbursement for doctors/nurses in places with socialized medicine is lower than it is in the U.S. And Shoot1 is correct, when we think of doctors we are usually thinking of surgeons etc, not the ones who own a family practice, local practice, small practice etc....these doctor don't make a ton of money either and I bet they are super pumped when they will make even less.

And my comment about student loans for school still stands, as it was not challenged. Doctors and the like rack up HUGE debt, gigantic debt to get through med school as it is a huge and long term adventure. What happens IF people don't see it as a way to make a good living or they stop seeing it as being "worth it" ? What happens then.

You can't simply call people fear mongers and then hide behind platitudes and interference. I am raising actual important questions, answer them if you want, disprove them if you can. If you can then I will stand corrected and admit it. If you can't or simply don't want to then you can shut the fuck up.