Massive Glenn Beck Meltdown.

[GigantorX]

And just to clarify things a bit... all these callers are pre-screened by someone at these shows. They usually end up putting through the easy victims to state a point. You WILL NEVER see Glenn Beck bring in a really knowledgeable person precisely because Glenn's only game is yelling and putting people down.

If I were on his show the first thing I'd say is that is he loves his country so much, why is it that he goes against the voice of the majority, which the latest Gallup polls show ~60% are in favor of government-run health insurance. Glenn makes a valid point about many well-to-do foreigners coming into the country to get experimental treatment on disease A or B, but notice one thing: He only points out the people he identifies himself with, which is people with money, a minority of human beings.

In expressing a valid point, that experimental treatment here in the US is sort of the triumph for the Big Pills industry, he negates something very OBVIOUS, which is that the immense MAJORITY of foreigners ARE NOT coming here to get health care, which people here are saying we need universal health care. Then again, we can all see whose interests Glenn is pushing. It's just a damn shame he doesn't invite someone who can really give him a mental lashing, but the usual tree-hugger who gets a 5-minute briefing from a friend and then tries to argue with a charlatan.

I wonder how many of those "60%" actually pay taxes?

[Slapper]

I wonder how many of those "60%" actually pay taxes?

All.

I mean, once we get that just-heard-that-slogan out of the way we can then pinpoint what the problem is. We all know that everyone pays taxes in this country, so it's not a question of paying vs. not paying, it's a question of fairness. We can honestly believe the official story that the lower classes are awash in cash from the top 5% and they mysteriously (fill in the blanks: because they're black, hispanic, they're on drugs, et cetera) choose to spend it on crack and having multiple children. Or we can do some research and find out the truth of the matter. Namely that they ARE NOT awash in cash, that their kids have difficulty making it through even primary education or that some of their communities have infant mortality rates that rival some African countries. This is USA today, not some Lord of the Rings far away country. We can deal with it. We can grab it at arms length with tweezers and see racial reasons for it. Or we can tackle the problem and solve it.

[GigantorX]

All.

I mean, once we get that just-heard-that-slogan out of the way we can then pinpoint what the problem is. We all know that everyone pays taxes in this country, so it's not a question of paying vs. not paying, it's a question of fairness. We can honestly believe the official story that the lower classes are awash in cash from the top 5% and they mysteriously (fill in the blanks: because they're black, hispanic, they're on drugs, et cetera) choose to spend it on crack and having multiple children. Or we can do some research and find out the truth of the matter. Namely that they ARE NOT awash in cash, that their kids have difficulty making it through even primary education or that some of their communities have infant mortality rates that rival some African countries. This is USA today, not some Lord of the Rings far away country. We can deal with it. We can grab it at arms length with tweezers and see racial reasons for it. Or we can tackle the problem and solve it.

Fine. But there are racial/cultural reasons for it. Don't "white wash" it and think more money, more health care or whatever social program of the month can fix the deep rooted cultural problems that exist in, for example, in the black community. Do Research? Huh? The research has been done, the numbers are in and out for everyone to see. There is nothing I can do to fix Shanequa and her 10 kids with 10 different fathers. No sir.

[Slapper]

Fine. But there are racial/cultural reasons for it. Don't "white wash" it and think more money, more health care or whatever social program of the month can fix the deep rooted cultural problems that exist in, for example, in the black community. Do Research? Huh? The research has been done, the numbers are in and out for everyone to see. There is nothing I can do to fix Shanequa and her 10 kids with 10 different fathers. No sir.

Sure, if you look at it from that standpoint then yeah, this chaotic system of privilege makes a whole lot of sense. I mean... Africans are not poor people being exploited by their own representatives and people from the outside but are racially predisposed to being dumb and want to have many children. I mean, they put themselves on ships, somehow landed on American shores and chose to work for free!!

One thing I've learned is that arguing with people with on-off mentality is not so much as to listen to reason, but to say the things they want to hear.

On that note, got things to do.

Cheers mate.

[GigantorX]

Sure, if you look at it from that standpoint then yeah, this chaotic system of privilege makes a whole lot of sense. I mean... Africans are not poor people being exploited by their own representatives and people from the outside but are racially predisposed to being dumb and want to have many children. I mean, they put themselves on ships, somehow landed on American shores and chose to work for free!!

One thing I've learned is that arguing with people with on-off mentality is not so much as to listen to reason, but to say the things they want to hear.

On that note, got things to do.

Cheers mate.

But I have no connection to those that brought the slaves over. I have no relatives in the respect nor am I related to the many black Africans that enslaved them and sold them in the first place. They aren't racially predisposed to being anything, I never said that and those words were not anywhere in my post, although that didn't stop you from putting words in my mouth. It has been a long time since slavery was a legal practice, much has changed since then and I can't nor should anyone else be responsible for the blacks success or failures. It's 2009, why are you even bringing up slavery and using it as an excuse for a cultures shortcomings and failings?

It's Saturday and I have nothing to do.

Cheers.

[Hugo Chavez]

I think Glen flipped out because that woman said that Glen never had a sick family memember in the beginning of the call.  He has a sick child I believe.  Additionally, that woman was dumber than dirt. 

33, you definitely operate on a different frequency.  I was talking about his tv show on the day after that clip.  I just don't get why you quote me if what you post has nothing to do with what I said? 

[Dos Equis]

LOL!     He's such a drama queen.  But everything he said was true. 

[Purge_WTF]

Holmes is gone...

  Wow, I didn't think anyone would notice.

  Glenn is over-the-top at times, but he's not a "Party first, country second" type like Headrush, Vanity, and the Neocon lawyer with a dead dog. I like him, Buchanan, and especially Savage.

[Soul Crusher]

But I have no connection to those that brought the slaves over. I have no relatives in the respect nor am I related to the many black Africans that enslaved them and sold them in the first place. They aren't racially predisposed to being anything, I never said that and those words were not anywhere in my post, although that didn't stop you from putting words in my mouth. It has been a long time since slavery was a legal practice, much has changed since then and I can't nor should anyone else be responsible for the blacks success or failures. It's 2009, why are you even bringing up slavery and using it as an excuse for a cultures shortcomings and failings?

It's Saturday and I have nothing to do.

Cheers.

And what about black africans who come here and succeed at far great rates than domestic blacks?

Its the black culture that sucks.  Bill Cosby called it like it is and look what happened to him.  The reality is that blacks were hand a shitty deal, but thats life get over it and get moving.  Waiting for someone else to remedy a past wrong is never going to happen. 

[Option D]

LOL GLEN BECK IS GAY....TRUE STORY

[Slapper]

It's 2009, why are you even bringing up slavery and using it as an excuse for a cultures shortcomings and failings?

Well, because it really isn't that far away. The last American slave died in 1979 in Florida. 1902 is the year in which the last slaves were freed. The last "Whites Only" signs were taken down in the mid 1970s. For many years, during the past century, they were shunned from professional sports, military, et cetera.

This is about just 2 generations away.

But worry not, this created NO GENERATIONAL TRAUMA whatsoever.

If you think experiences like slavery have no effect on you and your family try going to jail for about 25 years and see what happens to your life and the lives of the people around you.

Then again it's way too big of an understanding dose. It's easier, more conscientiously gullible to stick to the on-off Caucasian thought process that there must be something wrong with their internal wiring. Doesn't matter that 99.9999% of their genes match those of Caucasians. Somehow we can't seem to find another answer to the sorrow and dispair our ancestors sowed (and we inherited by the way) other than the color of their skin.

And before you start your "I didn't say that you said that I said that you said" crusade let me reiterate that I am not saying that you are a racist, I am merely saying that the simplicity with which you seem to observe a very complex social, racial and cultural problem carries a very racial undertone, again, not by your own analysis, but probably because you read it somewhere.

 

[Soul Crusher]

Well, because it really isn't that far away. The last American slave died in 1979 in Florida. 1902 is the year in which the last slaves were freed. The last "Whites Only" signs were taken down in the mid 1970s. For many years, during the past century, they were shunned from professional sports, military, et cetera.

This is about just 2 generations away.

But worry not, this created NO GENERATIONAL TRAUMA whatsoever.

If you think experiences like slavery have no effect on you and your family try going to jail for about 25 years and see what happens to your life and the lives of the people around you.

Then again it's way too big of an understanding dose. It's easier, more conscientiously gullible to stick to the on-off Caucasian thought process that there must be something wrong with their internal wiring. Doesn't matter that 99.9999% of their genes match those of Caucasians. Somehow we can't seem to find another answer to the sorrow and dispair our ancestors sowed (and we inherited by the way) other than the color of their skin.

And before you start your "I didn't say that you said that I said that you said" crusade let me reiterate that I am not saying that you are a racist, I am merely saying that the simplicity with which you seem to observe a very complex social, racial and cultural problem carries a very racial undertone, again, not by your own analysis, but probably because you read it somewhere.

 

So what do you propose?  Seriously? 

The racial greivance industry is what keeps people down, not whitey. 

[Slapper]

So what do you propose?  Seriously? 

The racial greivance industry is what keeps people down, not whitey.

For you there's an easy solution: Hire them.

I mean... in my company only 1% of the staff is black, and only 5% of the management team is non-Caucasian. I'm no nuclear scientist here but non-Caucasians have to obviously be aware of this THICK glass ceiling.

I know this is going to sound groundbreaking but... How about hiring and promoting blacks?

When they move into your neighborhood, don't move out.

The faster we stop this circle of ignorance the better.

[GigantorX]

Well, because it really isn't that far away. The last American slave died in 1979 in Florida. 1902 is the year in which the last slaves were freed. The last "Whites Only" signs were taken down in the mid 1970s. For many years, during the past century, they were shunned from professional sports, military, et cetera.

This is about just 2 generations away.

But worry not, this created NO GENERATIONAL TRAUMA whatsoever.

If you think experiences like slavery have no effect on you and your family try going to jail for about 25 years and see what happens to your life and the lives of the people around you.

Then again it's way too big of an understanding dose. It's easier, more conscientiously gullible to stick to the on-off Caucasian thought process that there must be something wrong with their internal wiring. Doesn't matter that 99.9999% of their genes match those of Caucasians. Somehow we can't seem to find another answer to the sorrow and dispair our ancestors sowed (and we inherited by the way) other than the color of their skin.

And before you start your "I didn't say that you said that I said that you said" crusade let me reiterate that I am not saying that you are a racist, I am merely saying that the simplicity with which you seem to observe a very complex social, racial and cultural problem carries a very racial undertone, again, not by your own analysis, but probably because you read it somewhere.

 

For the bolded part: 

Next, again, epic ignorance of my background and life experience. I've worked at all black schools in lower class neighborhoods, I've lived in racially mixed places and have had a shit-load of experience in this regard. I've seen the cultural failures, the 5 kids from one mother, but no father, the welfare,the utter disdain for education, the disrespect, the racism, the materialism, violence, inability to communicate, the ostroxizing those who want to succeed as "Uncle Toms" and "whities"..the list goes on. I'm not going to stand and say that they are just "dumb" and are genetically limited or whatnot, but it's far past the time to get the shit straight. What will it take? in 25 years when nothing is different, will you cite slavery as the reason? How about 50?100? Because I will tell you what, they are threatened by Latin/Mexican/Hispanic immigration and either now or in due time their place as the biggest minority will be gone, and with it, it's political power.

And again, your post seems to point to me as someone who thinks that blacks are "failures" because they are black. I never said that. And what about generational trauma? From "Whites Only" to the MLK and the Voting Rights Act/Civil Rights Bill etc....did that not happen? What happened to the momentum? And also, the exploding black youth population probably couldn't tell you what slavery was and whatnot. The gap between those that have "lived" it and those that get told about to continue an inferiority complex grows as well.

Time passes quickly and it's time to sack up.

[GigantorX]

For you there's an easy solution: Hire them.

I mean... in my company only 1% of the staff is black, and only 5% of the management team is non-Caucasian. I'm no nuclear scientist here but non-Caucasians have to obviously be aware of this THICK glass ceiling.

I know this is going to sound groundbreaking but... How about hiring and promoting blacks?

When they move into your neighborhood, don't move out.

The faster we stop this circle of ignorance the better.

and what if the blacks aren't up to the task? Should they be hired anyways? Doesn't Affirmative Action force employers and educational institutions to do this?

Why should I hire them just because they are black?

[Soul Crusher]

and what if the blacks aren't up to the task? Should they be hired anyways? Doesn't Affirmative Action force employers and educational institutions to do this?

Why should I hire them just because they are black?

You shouldnt.  You should hire those qualified for the job. 

By putting the blame on whitey, minorities self shackle themselves and pre-ordain their lives of misery.         

[Hugo Chavez]

ok, I think we've settled this.  If you listen to Glenn, you're listening to an insane person.  If that's your choice for commentary, check yourself into the looney bin.  Same advise, you don't have to pay for cable.

[GigantorX]

ok, I think we've settled this.  If you listen to Glenn, you're listening to an insane person.  If that's your choice for commentary, check yourself into the looney bin.  Same advise, you don't have to pay for cable.

When I hear the voices in my head, they sound just like Glenn Beck.

[Hugo Chavez]

When I hear the voices in my head, they sound just like Glenn Beck.

That would suck