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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2010, 10:52:17 AM »
Jacques Fabrice Vallée ( born September 24, 1939, Pontoise, Val-d'Oise  ) is a French-born venture capitalist, computer scientist, author, ufologist  and former astronomer. He currently resides in San Francisco, California in the United States. (He should not be confused with the Canadian astronomer Jacques Paul Vallée. )

In mainstream science, Vallée is notable for co-developing the first computerized mapping of Mars for NASA and for his work at SRI International in creating ARPANET, a precursor to the modern Internet. Vallée is also an important figure in the study of unidentified flying objects (UFOs), first noted for a defense of the scientific legitimacy of the extraterrestrial hypothesis and later for promoting the Interdimensional hypothesis similar partly to Mac Tonnies cryptoterrestrial hypothesis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e


Vallée proposes that there is a genuine UFO phenomenon, partly associated with a form of non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time. The phenomenon has been active throughout human history, and seems to masquerade in various forms to different cultures. In his opinion, the intelligence behind the phenomenon attempts social manipulation by using deception on the humans with whom they interact.

Vallée also proposes that a secondary aspect of the UFO phenomenon involves human manipulation by humans. Witnesses of UFO phenomena undergo a manipulative and staged spectacle, meant to alter their belief system, and eventually, influence human society by suggesting alien intervention from outer space. The ultimate motivation for this deception is probably a projected major change of human society, the breaking down of old belief systems and the implementation of new ones. Vallée states that the evidence, if carefully analysed, suggests an underlying plan for the deception of mankind by means of unknown, highly advanced methods. Vallee states that it is highly unlikely that governments actually conceal alien evidence, as the popular myth suggests. Rather, it is much more likely that that is exactly what the manipulators want us to believe. Vallée feels the entire subject of UFOs is mystified by charlatans and science fiction. He advocates a stronger and more serious involvement of science in the UFO research and debate. Only this can reveal the true nature of the UFO phenomenon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallee#Interpretation_of_the_UFO_evidence

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2010, 11:01:23 AM »
Jacques Fabrice Vallée ( born September 24, 1939, Pontoise, Val-d'Oise  ) is a French-born venture capitalist, computer scientist, author, ufologist  and former astronomer. He currently resides in San Francisco, California in the United States. (He should not be confused with the Canadian astronomer Jacques Paul Vallée. )

In mainstream science, Vallée is notable for co-developing the first computerized mapping of Mars for NASA and for his work at SRI International in creating ARPANET, a precursor to the modern Internet. Vallée is also an important figure in the study of unidentified flying objects (UFOs), first noted for a defense of the scientific legitimacy of the extraterrestrial hypothesis and later for promoting the Interdimensional hypothesis similar partly to Mac Tonnies cryptoterrestrial hypothesis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e


Vallée proposes that there is a genuine UFO phenomenon, partly associated with a form of non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time. The phenomenon has been active throughout human history, and seems to masquerade in various forms to different cultures. In his opinion, the intelligence behind the phenomenon attempts social manipulation by using deception on the humans with whom they interact.

Vallée also proposes that a secondary aspect of the UFO phenomenon involves human manipulation by humans. Witnesses of UFO phenomena undergo a manipulative and staged spectacle, meant to alter their belief system, and eventually, influence human society by suggesting alien intervention from outer space. The ultimate motivation for this deception is probably a projected major change of human society, the breaking down of old belief systems and the implementation of new ones. Vallée states that the evidence, if carefully analysed, suggests an underlying plan for the deception of mankind by means of unknown, highly advanced methods. Vallee states that it is highly unlikely that governments actually conceal alien evidence, as the popular myth suggests. Rather, it is much more likely that that is exactly what the manipulators want us to believe. Vallée feels the entire subject of UFOs is mystified by charlatans and science fiction. He advocates a stronger and more serious involvement of science in the UFO research and debate. Only this can reveal the true nature of the UFO phenomenon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallee#Interpretation_of_the_UFO_evidence

Interesting considering the recent UFO disclosure conference!
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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2010, 11:06:15 AM »
Interesting considering the recent UFO disclosure conference!

What I find interesting about Jacques Fabrice Vallée's theory on UFO's is that he is a mainstream scientist, hardly a religious man, yet he seems to be describing demons when talking about UFOs.  And he believes that they are not from outer space, but rather from another time or from another dimension.    :o

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2010, 09:53:14 PM »
One theory i think about sometimes.........beside s the whole " GOD, DEVIL, HEAVEN, HELL", Is ASTROLOGY. Look at your ZODIAC SIGN. Theres a PLANET thats associated with every ZODIAC SIGN. For example, im a LIBRA, LIBRAs are associated with the planet VENUS, i believe. One theory i been thinking about is maybe, when we die............we simply leave PLANET EARTH and go too the planet our ZODIAC SIGNS are linked too..........just some FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2010, 09:10:52 AM »
One theory i think about sometimes.........beside s the whole " GOD, DEVIL, HEAVEN, HELL", Is ASTROLOGY. Look at your ZODIAC SIGN. Theres a PLANET thats associated with every ZODIAC SIGN. For example, im a LIBRA, LIBRAs are associated with the planet VENUS, i believe. One theory i been thinking about is maybe, when we die............we simply leave PLANET EARTH and go too the planet our ZODIAC SIGNS are linked too..........just some FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

Sounds like Mormon doctrine...no joke!

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2010, 10:20:17 AM »
Sounds like Mormon doctrine...no joke!

I thought the Mormon doctrine was something about when they die they rule their own planet.
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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2010, 10:30:14 AM »
I thought the Mormon doctrine was something about when they die they rule their own planet.

Something like that.  We originally came here from another planet, and when we die we go to another planet. 

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2010, 09:13:48 PM »
I dont follow the mormon religion-(worldly religion), soo i wouldnt know if thats something they speak about.

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2010, 05:11:24 AM »
I dont follow the mormon religion-(worldly religion), soo i wouldnt know if thats something they speak about.

I didn't say you did.  I figured you had no idea.  Just pointing out that the Mormons believe something similar to your theory.  Battlestar Galactica is a Mormon show by the way, and a very entertaining show I'll admit!

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2010, 05:39:09 AM »
I thought the Mormon doctrine was something about when they die they rule their own planet.

I think it's more like they go to different levels of Heaven ... the "better" you are the higher you get

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2010, 06:06:37 AM »
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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2010, 07:19:38 AM »
God was once a man who lived on another planet
This is the most important teaching of Mormonism. Nothing else comes close to it. We believe that God was once a mortal man on another planet who progressed by living in obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel he had on his world, then he died. He became a resurrected man and evolved to become a god. He is still married now (some early leaders say he is a polygamist) and created this world. We worship only the one true god, which is really one god among millions or billions or more. We believe that we will follow in God's footsteps by becoming perfect and we too will become Gods and Goddesses creating spirit children and peopling other worlds. The Mormon TV commercials showing family togetherness is the foundation for life in the next world - as a family - as gods.


Mormons believe that this life is only one part of an eternal existence.  Life will continue but it is not known by anyone exactly what that life will be like.  However the purpose of this life is to determine our station in the next.  Mormons believe there are degrees of glory rewarded after the Judgment, according to the faith and obedience of the person during their life (John 14:2; 1 Corinthians 15:40-41).  The glories of heaven differ like the glory of the sun differs from the moon, and the moon from the stars.  Everyone will receive some degree of glory, but only the faithful will receive the highest glory with the possibility to become like God.  Mormons also believe that all people who ever lived will have the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ and thus inherit the greatest kingdom of God.  After death all go to a spirit world where they associate with others who have lived on earth.  Here, believers of Christ preach the gospel to those who did not receive it in life, and those that accept it can be saved by having the ordinances of salvation performed for them by proxy on earth.  This is the Mormon practice of baptism for the dead, which is performed in Mormon temples.   



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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2010, 07:35:06 AM »
w8m8,
I didn't know you were a Mormon.    :)

We worship only the one true god, which is really one god among millions or billions or more.

Isn't this a contradiction?

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2010, 07:56:37 AM »
w8m8,
I didn't know you were a Mormon.    :)

Isn't this a contradiction?

I'm not anything ... I know a few Mormons and have always been interested in knowing about all religions ... I e-mailed a friend and they sent me those paragraphs .. regarding what occurs after death


I think the part you quoted can be taken as a contradiction .. but as I understand it they do believe that many Gods exist and theirs is the one true God

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2010, 09:19:38 AM »
I'm not anything ... I know a few Mormons and have always been interested in knowing about all religions ... I e-mailed a friend and they sent me those paragraphs .. regarding what occurs after death


I think the part you quoted can be taken as a contradiction .. but as I understand it they do believe that many Gods exist and theirs is the one true God

Thanks for getting us this info!

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2010, 10:45:13 AM »
I'm not anything ... I know a few Mormons and have always been interested in knowing about all religions ... I e-mailed a friend and they sent me those paragraphs .. regarding what occurs after death


I think the part you quoted can be taken as a contradiction .. but as I understand it they do believe that many Gods exist and theirs is the one true God
thats typical of a WORLDLY RELIGION. Every religion believes that " thier GOD is the one TRUE GOD." In my opinion, thats one reason why all these wars are fought in the middle east.......

DERKA DERKA'S= " our GOD is the one true GOD........"
SHISH KA BOBS= " NO NO NO............OUR god is the one true GOD,"

then they end up going to war with each other.............

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« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2010, 11:50:54 AM »

Thanks for getting us this info!
 

You're welcome .. I enjoy reading the discussions







thats typical of a WORLDLY RELIGION. Every religion believes that " thier GOD is the one TRUE GOD." In my opinion, thats one reason why all these wars are fought in the middle east.......

DERKA DERKA'S= " our GOD is the one true GOD........"
SHISH KA BOBS= " NO NO NO............OUR god is the one true GOD,"

then they end up going to war with each other.............

one reason .. I agree .... it's also power and greed .. with some hatred for others mixed in

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
« Reply #67 on: May 18, 2011, 09:22:11 AM »
Is the Rocky Alien Planet Gliese 581d Really Habitable?
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Tue May 17, 5:30 pm ET

A rocky alien planet called Gliese 581d may be the first known world beyond Earth capable of supporting life as we know it, a new study suggests.

Astronomers performing a new atmospheric-modeling study have found that the planet likely lies in the "habitable zone" of its host star — that just-right range of distances that allow liquid water to exist. The alien world could be Earth-like in key ways, harboring oceans, clouds and rainfall, according to the research.

This conclusion is consistent with several other recent modeling studies. But it does not definitively establish that life-sustaining water flows across the planet's surface.

The new study assumes that Gliese 581d, which is about seven times as massive as Earth, has a thick, carbon-dioxide-based atmosphere. That's very possible on a planet so large, researchers said, but it's not a given.

Gliese 581d's parent star, known as Gliese 581, is a red dwarf located 20 light-years from Earth, just a stone's throw in the cosmic scheme of things. So far, astronomers have detected six planets orbiting the star, and Gliese 581d is not the only one intriguing to scientists thinking about the possibility of life beyond Earth.

Another planet in the system, called Gliese 581g, is about three times as massive as Earth, and it's also most likely a rocky world. This planet received a lot of attention when its discovery was announced in September 2010, because it's located right in the middle of the habitable zone. That makes 581g a prime candidate for liquid water and life as we know it — if the planet exists.

Some researchers question the analysis used to discover the planet, and say they cannot confirm 581g in follow-up studies. The planet's discoverers, however, are standing by their find.

Gliese 581d orbits outside of 581g, far enough away from its star that researchers first thought it too cold for life when it was originally discovered in 2007. But a strong greenhouse effect may warm 581d up substantially, perhaps enough to support liquid water.
That's the tentative conclusion of the new study, as well as several other recent studies by different research teams that also modeled Gliese 581d's possible atmosphere.

The planet Gliese 581d receives less than a third of the solar energy that Earth does from our sun, and it may be tidally locked (a situation in which one side of the world always faces its sun — a permanent day — and the other faces away, producing eternal night).
After Gliese 581d's discovery, it was generally believed that any atmosphere thick enough to keep the planet warm would become cold enough on the night side to freeze out entirely, ruining any prospects for a habitable climate, researchers said.

The research team tested that possibility in the new study, developing a new kind of computer model that simulates alien planets' atmospheres and surfaces in three dimensions. The model is similar to those used to study climate change on Earth.

When the team ran the model, they found that Gliese 581d probably can indeed host liquid water if it has a dense carbon dioxide atmosphere. Even though the planet is relatively far away from its dim red dwarf parent star, it could be warmed by a greenhouse effect, with daytime heat circulated around the planet by the atmosphere.

The work remains speculative.

To determine conclusively if Gliese 581d is truly habitable, future work will probably have to detect and characterize its atmosphere directly. And that is likely years off, since it requires the development of new and advanced telescopes. Human-made probes won't be getting to the planet anytime soon; with current technology, it would take spacecraft hundreds of thousands of years to make the 20-light-year trek.

The team, led by scientists from the Laboratoire de Métrologie Dynamique (CNRS/UPMC/ENS/Ecole Polytechnique) at the Institut Pierre Simon Laplace in Paris, France, published their results in The Astrophysical Journal Letters.

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Re: Do people of faith believe there is life on other planets?
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